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This may be a stupid question, but for amateur scouting, isn't "old school" scouting still really important, probably even more important that stats. I mean if you are a really good H.S. player you're either going to get such terrible pitches that you walk without trying or you're so good that even the terrible ones you can hit for extra bases, that your stats wouldn't tell what type of approach you may actually have against better competition and how it will correlate. I mean high level statistical analysis relies on having a large enough set of results to base it on and ability to control variables (such as competition level). I have a hard time imagining high school statistical analysis is at that level. Maybe a bit more for D1 College, but nowhere near the level of MiLB or MLB still. All this for international amateur scouting as well.

 

In a thread in the draft/college forum, I suggest the stats of the scout drafting the player is more important than the stats of the player, especially with HS players.

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Really disappointed Epstein didn't say "[expletive] Boston, I'm going to Chicago as soon as I can."

me to lol

I really dont expect these guys to say anything that would relay interest. Im just passing along things I see.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-red-soxs-epstein-doesnt-dismiss-cubs-rumors-20110831,0,6685269.story

 

Well I'm not sure what to make of that, the headline is "Red Sox Epstein doesn't dismiss Cubs rumors" but I don't see where his comments leave much hope. Make of it what you will I guess. mlbtraderumors basically took it as a dismissal of the job.

 

He said he's too busy to give it any thought, basically. Which I think is an honest answer. When that time comes, he might immediately decide there's no way he would leave Boston.

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No link to provide, unfortunately, but Newsradio 780, WBBM-AM in Chicago is reporting that Andrew Friedman DOES HAVE INTEREST in the Cubs GM job.
Was that before or after he realized he'd have 4 years of Fleita forced on him?
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Haha, imagine Friedman with the way Tampa slowly promotes their minor leaguers (consider Desmond Jennings, Jeremy Hellickson and Matt Moore) versus Oneri and the way he aggressively promotes minor leaguers when they don't deserve it.
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Haha, imagine Friedman with the way Tampa slowly promotes their minor leaguers (consider Desmond Jennings, Jeremy Hellickson and Matt Moore) versus Oneri and the way he aggressively promotes minor leaguers when they don't deserve it.

 

Maybe he would more aggressively promote if he wasn't under such payroll restrictions. It has been obvious since spring training that Jennings was the guy that should have been playing LF. I can't see any other logical reason for keeping him in AAA as long as they did other than that they wanted to push back his arbitration by another season. Wouldn't be surprised at all for them to do the same thing with Moore next year.

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If we dont end up with Friedman because of Oneri [expletive] Fleita, i will inject a dose of heroin into my forehead the likes of which has never been seen
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Haha, imagine Friedman with the way Tampa slowly promotes their minor leaguers (consider Desmond Jennings, Jeremy Hellickson and Matt Moore) versus Oneri and the way he aggressively promotes minor leaguers when they don't deserve it.

 

Maybe he would more aggressively promote if he wasn't under such payroll restrictions. It has been obvious since spring training that Jennings was the guy that should have been playing LF. I can't see any other logical reason for keeping him in AAA as long as they did other than that they wanted to push back his arbitration by another season. Wouldn't be surprised at all for them to do the same thing with Moore next year.

 

I'm sure that's why they slowly promote the players but hey, most of the minor leaguers that come up actually stick and don't get yo-yo'ed around (a la Pie, etc.) - I would imagine Friedman would stick with this policy given that success. I hate the way the Cubs have aggressively promoted many of their players over the past decade.

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If we dont end up with Friedman because of Oneri [expletive] Fleita, i will inject a dose of heroin into my forehead the likes of which has never been seen

 

I have no idea what one has to do with the other.

 

"Hello, elite GM candidate. We'd like you to stake your professional reputation to come in and save our franchise because we've produced putrid results given the resources we have over our direct competitors. Have you met the staff? They've contributed heavily to those putrid results, and we signed them to guaranteed contracts before we interviewed you."

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i heard stone on the boers and bernstein show talking about the cubs GM search and he, of course, managed to work in a shot at "sabr-guys". he wasn't even really asked about it, he just offered it up, and then went on to talk about how amazing sabean is and how theo epstein isn't really a numbers guy and that he had to be told what he was looking at.

 

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If we dont end up with Friedman because of Oneri [expletive] Fleita, i will inject a dose of heroin into my forehead the likes of which has never been seen

 

I have no idea what one has to do with the other.

 

"Hello, elite GM candidate. We'd like you to stake your professional reputation to come in and save our franchise because we've produced putrid results given the resources we have over our direct competitors. Have you met the staff? They've contributed heavily to those putrid results, and we signed them to guaranteed contracts before we interviewed you."

 

Who would make such a stupa sales pitch?

 

Why not:

 

Hey elite GM candidate,

 

Were the [expletive] Cubs, were sick of losing, were sick of hearing how incompetent we are, were sick of all the bs that comes with losing. Were a mega rich both in money and history franchise that sits in the middle of a huge, untapped market (the Cubs as winners market), and victory would mean eternal glory and fame in the baseball world for you. You could liteally kill a man in front of a thousand Cubs fans and no one would see it if you won. That girl was 17? No worries, that's when they get all whorish! Did you really rob those elderly blind? Ah well, they won't notice! You cheated your wife with a stripper and had a love child? I smell sitcom! All you have to do is win. All that and more is yours. We'll give you money and will probably have a top 5 payroll because we can like a boss, we'll probably give you some amount of time, and with that some amount of patience. Use it wisely! The futcha awaits!

 

Do you really actually believe the Cubs will be hurting for competent GM candidates because they locked up Oneri [expletive] Fleita? That's not going to happen. New GM also shouldn't be expected to come right in and have to restock the whole FO right off the bat. There's way better ways for the organization to spend it's time this winter.

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Not that it means anything, but today on the Score's Hit N' Run show, Matt Speigl predicted that Josh Byrnes would be the next GM of the Cubs...just a gut feeling albeit not an optimistic one.
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I really don't know a lot about the structure, but wouldn't it be something like this?

 

Fleita: Hey! Let's promote this super whiz kid awesome player! He's amazing and will change the face of baseball! Just read some of the scouting reports I wrote on him!

 

FreidmanEpsteinByrnesCashmanUnknown: No.

 

Fleita: But,

 

FreidmanEpsteinByrnesCashmanUnknown: No.

 

Aaaaaaaaaand Scene!!

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