Zambrano traded to Marlins for Chris Volstad (P. 8)

[Guest]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

We could eat all of the contract and still have the money to do pretty much all of those things.

 

Seems debatable at this point, and no way of really knowing.

 

Our payroll is under 100M with arbitration estimates. How is that debateable?

 

Because we seem to have no idea how much money there really is to spend and those 3 moves would amount to upwards of $30M?

 

Well we have a promise that the baseball budget would remain the same, new regulations to heavily suppress amateur spending, and a 130-140 million dollar payroll the last couple years. Sure it's possible that there's some external factors that make those things unfeasible, but it seems pretty likely that Z's contract would have little impact on the financial ability to make other moves.

[Clem Fandango]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

We could eat all of the contract and still have the money to do pretty much all of those things.

 

Seems debatable at this point, and no way of really knowing.

 

If they had plans to do all that WITH Zambrano then trading him and eating his contract for prospects or a league minimum MLB'er, in theory, has no affect on their ability to continue to do those things. Would it not?

 

Who says they did?

 

Touché

[treebird]

if you search "carlos zambrano" on twitter right now, you get a great combination of people making jokes about zambrano and guillen fighting and cubs fan exclaiming with delight about the prospect of zambrano going away. i guess having lousy fans is better than the alternative (no fans, which is what the marlins appear to have, judging by the results).

[XZero771679666304]

We have to eat all his salary to get Logan Morrison?

 

What am I not seeing in Logan Morrison?

 

Good potential power bat

Very patient hitter

World class Twitter user

 

Beyond world class.

 

I think LoMo is aiming way too high. I'd be thrilled with someone like Dominguez, though.

 

Also, a potentially telling quote from Theo's interview with Kaplan today. This is pulled from the Bleacher Nation piece summarizing the interview:

 

Kaplan asks if Theo is going to eat any bad contracts before Spring Training. Epstein says doing so is a sign of a healthy organization. Sometimes you have to eat a sunk cost, sometimes you can get some value for that sunk cost. Sometimes you have to walk away from a player, and sometimes you have to get to know the player, and provide an infrastructure where he can improve. “There’s no one way to handle these situations …. It’s a game played by human beings, and the possibility of bouncing back is very real.”

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/01/04/theo-epstein-speaks-about-the-state-of-the-chicago-cubs/

 

Yeah, that quote struck me as being portentous as well.

[toonsterwu]

Considering their focus on adding arms, I wonder if Rasmussen/Conley/James are in the picture, assuming we eat enough of the deal.

[Guest]

 

Well we have a promise that the baseball budget would remain the same, new regulations to heavily suppress amateur spending, and a 130-140 million dollar payroll the last couple years. Sure it's possible that there's some external factors that make those things unfeasible, but it seems pretty likely that Z's contract would have little impact on the financial ability to make other moves.

 

 

There's also Pena's $5M...then there's whatever they're spending on new staff, baseball infrastructural upgrades and crap like that (stuff I don't have the foggiest idea of how to begin to guess at nor do I have any idea if they'd ultimately take that out of the "baseball" budget). Same would go for Theo's fairly substantial salary (in that I'd guess it wouldn't come from what they consider baseball money but they don't look eager to spend so I'm really not sure).

 

I'm not saying I do know they'd need more money...but I certainly don't know that they don't.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We have to eat all his salary to get Logan Morrison?

 

What am I not seeing in Logan Morrison?

 

Good potential power bat

Very patient hitter

World class Twitter user

 

24 years old

 

And 5 more years of team control

 

I just like a tiny bit more power in my potential power bats.

 

I guess I do see it, though.

[davell]

My guess is we eat all but 5 mill and get Volstad in return. I'd like to get Dominguez, Arunato, or Rasmussen. But, unfortunately, I think this is a "he had to go" scenario, rightly or wrongly. I wish we'd keep him myself, as I think he'll have a solid season and probably be worth more at the deadline. On top of that, I'm kind of sad, because while he's a nutjob, he's been our nutjob. And he's certainly given us plenty of entertainment over the years. And some damn good pitching too, if we go back a little ways. For me, this one is sadder than Aramis. Oh well, hopefully we get more in return than what I'd think we do. As far as LoMo goes? I put the chances of him being in this deal as about as high as Mike Stanton's. Not the Marlins one, the one that used to pitch for the Yankees and Braves and has been retired for half a decade.

[JoshiQ]

The main Miami Marlins board seems okay with the deal. The only mention of a prospect was that we might be getting Ceda in return. No idea how reliable that poster is on there.

 

http://soflamarlins.com/showthread.php?t=4625&page=45

[Clem Fandango]

We have to eat all his salary to get Logan Morrison?

 

What am I not seeing in Logan Morrison?

 

Good potential power bat

Very patient hitter

World class Twitter user

 

24 years old

 

And 5 more years of team control

 

I just like a tiny bit more power in my potential power bats.

 

I guess I do see it, though.

 

Morrison actually showed more power at home than on the road last year (.478 SLG to .457 SLG) and hit 12 home runs in 61 games at home at a cavernous ball park compared to 11 on the road in 62 games.

 

And he did it as a 23 year old. And he's naturally a 1B, which we need. I like his power potential, personally.

 

But yeah, I'm not optimistic of our chances for landing him

[Butterscup1679666578]

David Kaplan confirms the #Cubs & Marlins are discussing a Zambrano trade, with a resolution expected in 24-48 hours.

 

credit @thekapman

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I say we get a not so great prospect and and save about $5 million in the deal.

 

Won't make many happy, but for the Cubs, they save $5 million and don't have to deal with the headache. And, yes, Zambrano would have caused some problem this season on the team.

[davell]

PSD Insider guy says Z is worthless, we'll be paying entire contract and getting Volstad in return. He doesn't mention whether that's ALL we'll be getting back.

[XZero771679666304]

PSD Insider guy says Z is worthless, we'll be paying entire contract and getting Volstad in return. He doesn't mention whether that's ALL we'll be getting back.

 

Volstad is what I was guessing. Volstad and Ceda would be slightly better.

[KingCubsFan]

My guess is we eat all but 5 mill and get Volstad in return. I'd like to get Dominguez, Arunato, or Rasmussen. But, unfortunately, I think this is a "he had to go" scenario, rightly or wrongly. I wish we'd keep him myself, as I think he'll have a solid season and probably be worth more at the deadline. On top of that, I'm kind of sad, because while he's a nutjob, he's been our nutjob. And he's certainly given us plenty of entertainment over the years. And some damn good pitching too, if we go back a little ways. For me, this one is sadder than Aramis. Oh well, hopefully we get more in return than what I'd think we do. As far as LoMo goes? I put the chances of him being in this deal as about as high as Mike Stanton's. Not the Marlins one, the one that used to pitch for the Yankees and Braves and has been retired for half a decade.

I wouldn't want Dominguez (not that he's realistic at all). He seems pretty overhyped. Unless it's a SS, having a guy that can't hit at all in your everyday lineup doesn't seem smart.

[Backtobanks]

LoMo is really stretching it unless we're including a top prospect and paying the vast majority of Z's contract.

[brinoch]

LoMo is really stretching it unless we're including a top prospect and paying the vast majority of Z's contract.

 

I'll gladly pay all of Zambrano's contract for LoMo.

[ctcf]

Volstad is the current name floating around.

[TruffleShuffle]

volstad has some value, but you really don't want to be populating your starting rotation with a bunch of young guys who can't be anything more than league average (randy wells, travis wood, maybe volstad)

[XZero771679666304]

The only way we're getting LoMo is in a Garza trade, imo.

 

We'll probably be paying all of his contract just to get Volstad and a throw in.

[El Duderino]

what is volstad's stuff like? i'm guessing bad because his strikeout rate is terrible.

[ctcf]

Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS

marlins are indeed close to acquiring carlos zambrano, as @Ken_Rosenthal reported. deal could be official tomorrow.

 

Wow this sounds pretty close.

[Butterscup1679666578]

volstad kind of blows

[dew1679666265]

PSD Insider guy says Z is worthless, we'll be paying entire contract and getting Volstad in return. He doesn't mention whether that's ALL we'll be getting back.

 

Does Volstad have some really great stuff or something? He's 26, hits arbitration in 2013, and has been less than stellar so far in his ML career. I don't have a problem targeting him, but I don't see enough potential there to pay all of Z's contract unless he's got some really nice stuff. I don't expect stars for Z (as great as the LoMo talk is, it's almost certainly a pipedream), but if Volstad is it and we're paying the entire deal, I'd have rather kept Z and hoped a good first half would boost his value some.

 

That said, after the Marshall/Wood trade, I'm not criticizing this trade until we find out all the details. And Volstad is 6'8, which is kind of cool ......

[El Duderino]

tall guy with crappy stuff? Jon Rauch II?