Zambrano says he is retiring

[Guest]

I can't believe anyone is defending Zambrano after all the crap he's done over the years; send him packing to the AL and be done with it

 

I can't believe anybody would rather have Casey Coleman pitching for us next season than Carlos Zambrano... especially when we wont be getting anything in return for Zambrano.

 

If I had to bet on who would have a better season next year, it'd be Zambrano, but not by a landslide or anything. Zambrano's got a 4.5ish FIP, is on the wrong side of 30 and has almost 2,000 innings on his arm. The peripherals this season point to long-term problems.

 

Okay, maybe Coleman is a bad example, but it shouldn't be that hard to find pitchers capable of doing what Zambrano's been doing.

 

The problem is there was already a vacant rotation spot going into next season, possibly 2 with Wells' regression.

[A New Era]

instead of being mad at Hendry (over the disqualified list). Be mad at Zambrano. Obviously Zambrano must have showed up in the clubhouse, or Hendry's office or something. What the hell Zambrano? I thought you were retiring. Please leave and save us millions of dollars over the next couple seasons. We can get a pitcher to put up your #'s for $2.5 million next year and put the rest toward a good player.

[thefranchise]

We need to get David Bowie to tell Z he's disqualified.

[daske17]

Buster Olney reporting that management knew within two hours of the incident that Z wasn't serious about retiring, made those comments privately to clubhouse staff and that he moved his stuff back into his locker that night.

 

If that's true, this is Sammy Part 2. Hendry is playing the media to drum Z out of town for pennies on the dollar.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Buster Olney reporting that management knew within two hours of the incident that Z wasn't serious about retiring, made those comments privately to clubhouse staff and that he moved his stuff back into his locker that night.

 

If that's true, this is Sammy Part 2. Hendry is playing the media to drum Z out of town for pennies on the dollar.

 

He's only worth pennies at this point, so I'm really not all that upset.

 

Well, maybe dimes.

Edited August 14, 2011 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Careless]

I can't believe anyone is defending Zambrano after all the crap he's done over the years; send him packing to the AL and be done with it

Why would we send him specifically to the AL? He's not a DH, he's a pitcher who's relatively good at hitting.

[Hawk4Hall]

Suspended for 30 days without pay.

[Illini Iceman]

Ozzie doesn't really support Z but he definitely throws Quade under the bus:

 

While Guillen didn't want to meddle with how the Cubs are handing the situation, he said that "on this ballclub it's not going to happen. Why? I know my players and I think we respect each other. Like I've said in the past, hate me, love me, I don't care what you do. I really don't. But one thing about it, (have) respect. That's all I care about with players.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0814-brite-white-sox-royals-ch20110814,0,5066622.story

[J.R.]

Buster Olney reporting that management knew within two hours of the incident that Z wasn't serious about retiring, made those comments privately to clubhouse staff and that he moved his stuff back into his locker that night.

 

If that's true, this is Sammy Part 2. Hendry is playing the media to drum Z out of town for pennies on the dollar.

 

Typical Hendry. There was no reason at all to go to the papers and whine. The man abhors leverage.

 

I await the leaked video ...

[Banedon]

Zambrano's brought a lot of [expletive] on himself, without a doubt. But lets not pretend that the Cubs are handling things incredibly well here. The Cubs are handling this in the most publicly stupid way possible. This reminds me so much of Sammy.

[XZero771679666304]

Zambrano's brought a lot of [expletive] on himself, without a doubt. But lets not pretend that the Cubs are handling things incredibly well here. The Cubs are handling this in the most publicly stupid way possible. This reminds me so much of Sammy.

 

 

I agree, but I'm not sure how much further damage can be done at this point. Z's value as far as a trade goes probably hit bottom before Hendry said a word about the incident. Having to pay for an empty rotation slot next year will hurt, though.

 

With Sosa he would have had more trade value had Hendry and Co. not smeared him. You can't really say the same thing about Zambrano. No one wanted him anyway.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So you balance the loss of trade value against the possibility of saving one month's salary? Doesn't sound like that big of a loss.

 

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

Sosa was about to enter his age 36 season, was due $17 million, and was coming off a 2.1 WAR season. How much trade value did he have, with or without the anti-PR stuff?

[J.R.]

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

No, but Hendry typically talks himself into a corner by enraging the meatheads to the point that no solution is acceptable other than the banishment of said player. GMs will lowball him because they know he HAS to make a move.

 

Had all parties just shut up and kept the clubhouse business in the clubhouse, no one would be wise to any of this today.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

No, but Hendry typically talks himself into a corner by enraging the meatheads to the point that no solution is acceptable other than the banishment of said player. GMs will lowball him because they know he HAS to make a move.

 

Had all parties just shut up and kept the clubhouse business in the clubhouse, no one would be wise to any of this today.

 

If the player has value to multiple teams, the fact that we have to move him becomes somewhat irrelevant.

[Guest]

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

No, but Hendry typically talks himself into a corner by enraging the meatheads to the point that no solution is acceptable other than the banishment of said player. GMs will lowball him because they know he HAS to make a move.

 

Had all parties just shut up and kept the clubhouse business in the clubhouse, no one would be wise to any of this today.

Exactly. They could have suspended him for his actions on the field and left it at that.

 

Reading Hendry's quotes makes me think he's the king of the meatheads. It's a total overreaction and is evidence that Hendry shouldn't be in that position.

[XZero771679666304]

So you balance the loss of trade value against the possibility of saving one month's salary? Doesn't sound like that big of a loss.

 

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

Sosa was about to enter his age 36 season, was due $17 million, and was coming off a 2.1 WAR season. How much trade value did he have, with or without the anti-PR stuff?

 

 

Sammy didn't have a great deal of value, but when a team vilifies a player, they lose leverage. The whole fiasco at the end of Sammy's tenure was totally contrived, and trading him was approached more like taking out the trash than moving an asset.

 

What Hendry is saying now is [expletive], but I just don't think Z's value could be much lower. You can't really say anything that will make him less attractive to other teams at this point. Z dealt the deathblow to the chances of him being traded for anything of value or without absorbing virtually all of his remaining salary, and the damage was done before Hendry even opened his mouth on the subject.

 

The damage that Hendry can do is by releasing him or trading him and paying all of his remaining salary.

[XZero771679666304]

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

No, but Hendry typically talks himself into a corner by enraging the meatheads to the point that no solution is acceptable other than the banishment of said player. GMs will lowball him because they know he HAS to make a move.

 

Had all parties just shut up and kept the clubhouse business in the clubhouse, no one would be wise to any of this today.

 

If the player has value to multiple teams, the fact that we have to move him becomes somewhat irrelevant.

 

But when you paint the guy as a disruptive force, you're diminishing his value. Obviously Hendry finds merit in that sort of thing, so it would be naive to assume other GMs don't.

 

You can't pretend essentially saying "this guy is a problem we need to rid ourselves of" isn't going to have bearing on how much perceived net value he has and how much others will give up for him.

 

You basically put youself in a position where the player is persona non grata on your team, and other teams have all the leverage.

[Tarver]

Hendry is such a [expletive] joke... We are quite literally the only team in baseball that disciplines guys for being dicks.

 

Hendry is a joke, but your position on this is laughably naive. Awful as they are, Hendry and Quade are still in management. You can't let your employees run roughshod over you like this, or you run the risk of everyone doing it. I'm sure both of them still aspire to work in baseball after we sack them; letting Z have his way again would only undermine whatever respect they've earned in MLB over the years. Not that I care, but Z instigated this, not the FO.

 

And Z isn't worth the trouble anyway. You and JR act like it's still 08. His #'s suck.

[Soul]

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

No, but Hendry typically talks himself into a corner by enraging the meatheads to the point that no solution is acceptable other than the banishment of said player. GMs will lowball him because they know he HAS to make a move.

 

Had all parties just shut up and kept the clubhouse business in the clubhouse, no one would be wise to any of this today.

 

If the player has value to multiple teams, the fact that we have to move him becomes somewhat irrelevant.

 

But when you paint the guy as a disruptive force, you're diminishing his value. Obviously Hendry finds merit in that sort of thing, so it would be naive to assume other GMs don't.

 

You can't pretend essentially saying "this guy is a problem we need to rid ourselves of" isn't going to have bearing on how much perceived net value he has and how much others will give up for him.

 

You basically put youself in a position where the player is persona non grata on your team, and other teams have all the leverage.

 

Come on. That's not happening because of Hendry. Everyone in baseball knows what Zambrano is at this point. Everyone saw what was happening last night. Everyone saw the deliberate throwing at players to get tossed. That all happened before Zambrano's clubhouse antics came to light. Hendry's not going to be able to cover for that.

 

Quit painting this as Hendry's fault. Look, I don't like Jimbo either. But Zambrano's simply a lunatic. Everyone already knows it. We're way, way past any usual tactics to keep truths behind closed doors. That horse left the barn long ago.

[Yeti]

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

No, but Hendry typically talks himself into a corner by enraging the meatheads to the point that no solution is acceptable other than the banishment of said player. GMs will lowball him because they know he HAS to make a move.

 

Had all parties just shut up and kept the clubhouse business in the clubhouse, no one would be wise to any of this today.

love the gif JR, one of my all time favorite Z moments

[Pushfrog98]

The fact that none of the players seem to be supporting Zambrano tells me that there's been a lot more going on behind the scenes. Z has been one of my favorite players, but he really needs to get some help. He still has the talent, he just needs to put it back together.

[XZero771679666304]

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

No, but Hendry typically talks himself into a corner by enraging the meatheads to the point that no solution is acceptable other than the banishment of said player. GMs will lowball him because they know he HAS to make a move.

 

Had all parties just shut up and kept the clubhouse business in the clubhouse, no one would be wise to any of this today.

 

If the player has value to multiple teams, the fact that we have to move him becomes somewhat irrelevant.

 

But when you paint the guy as a disruptive force, you're diminishing his value. Obviously Hendry finds merit in that sort of thing, so it would be naive to assume other GMs don't.

 

You can't pretend essentially saying "this guy is a problem we need to rid ourselves of" isn't going to have bearing on how much perceived net value he has and how much others will give up for him.

 

You basically put youself in a position where the player is persona non grata on your team, and other teams have all the leverage.

 

Come on. That's not happening because of Hendry. Everyone in baseball knows what Zambrano is at this point. Everyone saw what was happening last night. Everyone saw the deliberate throwing at players to get tossed. That all happened before Zambrano's clubhouse antics came to light. Hendry's not going to be able to cover for that.

 

Quit painting this as Hendry's fault. Look, I don't like Jimbo either. But Zambrano's simply a lunatic. Everyone already knows it. We're way, way past any usual tactics to keep truths behind closed doors. That horse left the barn long ago.

 

If you were actually reading my posts you'd realize I was talkng about Sosa in that last post contrasting that situation with the Z situation, which I painted in the same light you did.

 

Read the post above the one you quoted.

[XZero771679666304]

The fact that none of the players seem to be supporting Zambrano tells me that there's been a lot more going on behind the scenes. Z has been one of my favorite players, but he really needs to get some help. He still has the talent, he just needs to put it back together.

 

The fact that Soriano, who doesn't seem to say anything about anyone, tore into Z and called him a mental midget speaks volumes. That was shocking to me. Byrd's comments were benign, but he hasn't been here very long.

[NCCubFan]

And are GMs really so stupid that they base the amount they are willing to give up for a player on the team's public comments?

 

No, but Hendry typically talks himself into a corner by enraging the meatheads to the point that no solution is acceptable other than the banishment of said player. GMs will lowball him because they know he HAS to make a move.

 

Had all parties just shut up and kept the clubhouse business in the clubhouse, no one would be wise to any of this today.

love the gif JR, one of my all time favorite Z moments

Seconded.

[rocket]

on the bright side, with all this chaos at least there aren't any rumblings that hendry will be back next year