2011 Bears Offseason thread

[cubbyvirus00]

LOL@ Bears.

 

 

[expletive], stupid, dumb franchise.

 

 

 

Meanwhile the Pats trade for Ochocinco and pickup Fat Albert.

 

 

Looks like I'm rooting for the Pats this year until the Bears turn into a competent organization

 

you realize that other people can read your posts, right?

 

Yes I realize that and I highly doubt anyone on here would disagree with the above statement or sentiment. We can barely manage the TE position, let alone the entire roster.

 

EDIT: None of the 2007 draft picks made by Chicago remain on the roster.

[UMFan83]

Watch us walk away with Roy Williams and some subpar lineman by Monday and Angelo declare our team "ready" for the season.

 

I cannot understand what Chicago is trying to accomplish. Playing against Green Bay was humorous in the NFC title game because their DB's absolutely owned Bears WRs.

 

That's a lot of spin. They were in the NFC Championship game. Somehow that's a joke?

 

It definitely could be. A bad call against the Lions, a horrible team in the Divisional game and the Green Bay game wasn't as close as the score indicated.

 

GB is stacked on defense and our offense will continue to be inept against them and perhaps even the Lions if we don't seriously upgrade our offensive positions.

 

DBs are the least of our problems. In terms of importance in a Lovie Smith defense, CBs are towards the bottom. And based on numbers, it doesn't seem like they did that bad at all. Rodgers had his 2nd lowest QB rating, 3rd lowest completion percentage, 6th lowest passing yards of any game that year in the NFC title game.

 

A bad non-challenge against the Redskins, a bad luck 1st and goal not converted against the Lions, and the Bears are even better than what they were last year.

[Sammy Sofa]

LOL@ Bears.

 

 

[expletive], stupid, dumb franchise.

 

 

 

Meanwhile the Pats trade for Ochocinco and pickup Fat Albert.

 

 

Looks like I'm rooting for the Pats this year until the Bears turn into a competent organization

 

you realize that other people can read your posts, right?

 

Yes I realize that and I highly doubt anyone on here would disagree with the above statement or sentiment. We can barely manage the TE position, let alone the entire roster.

 

EDIT: None of the 2007 draft picks made by Chicago remain on the roster.

 

Nah, most of the people here aren't football whoooo-ahs.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yes I realize that and I highly doubt anyone on here would disagree with the above statement or sentiment. We can barely manage the TE position, let alone the entire roster.

 

most people would disagree with the sentiment that it's cool to bandwagon onto the patriots because you're not happy with the first day of offseason moves from your favorite team?

[cubbyvirus00]

LOL@ Bears.

 

 

[expletive], stupid, dumb franchise.

 

 

 

Meanwhile the Pats trade for Ochocinco and pickup Fat Albert.

 

 

Looks like I'm rooting for the Pats this year until the Bears turn into a competent organization

 

you realize that other people can read your posts, right?

 

Yes I realize that and I highly doubt anyone on here would disagree with the above statement or sentiment. We can barely manage the TE position, let alone the entire roster.

 

EDIT: None of the 2007 draft picks made by Chicago remain on the roster.

 

Nah, most of the people here aren't football whoooo-ahs.

 

If that's the case then most people here are baseball "whoooo-ahs" because its a similar mindset with the Cubs. One can only take so much stupidity before it turns to anger.

 

EDIT: Bandwagon or not Truffle, nobody can hate on the Pats for their front office moves and organizational philosophy/coaching. I'm not a Tom Brady fan but I'm a fan of the Pats playing chess while everyone is playing checkers. In the Bears case they're playing Life.

 

I dont have to wait another few days to feel this way, as I've grown quite accustomed to the gross mismanagement of draft picks and team personal.

[TruffleShuffle]

your football team made the super bowl like 5 years ago and the conference championship game last year. it's not like you're rooting for the [expletive] texans.

[Sammy Sofa]

Dude's been nothing but a raging spaz his entire time posting here. Hopefully he lives up to his word and starts following other teams.

[cubbyvirus00]

Dude's been nothing but a raging spaz his entire time posting here. Hopefully he lives up to his word and starts following other teams.

 

 

Umadbro???? I'm not content with merely making it to the playoffs and losing in a horrible fashion. And I really don't understand how any fan can be happy with our personal moves. With that said why do you have a problem with me giving credit and respect to the pats while also being sarcastic at the same time?

[TruffleShuffle]

you're not allowed to say "our" any more, since you're now a patriots fan.

 

and N&G is right, you're a complete spaz.

 

This game angers me more then any other. We got our heads stomped in by a horrible Seahawks team.

 

This is the most depressing game ive watched in awhile. Williams looks HORRIBLE, Hester falling down on routes and Maynard can't punt anymore.

[Butterscup1679666578]

he's not a spaz, he's a [expletive] [expletive].

[imb]

And I really don't understand how any fan can be happy with our personal moves.

 

 

What are you talking about, you guys are the best run organization in football. A 5th rounder for haynesworth? What a steal.

[Sammy Sofa]

Dude's been nothing but a raging spaz his entire time posting here. Hopefully he lives up to his word and starts following other teams.

 

 

Umadbro???? I'm not content with merely making it to the playoffs and losing in a horrible fashion. And I really don't understand how any fan can be happy with our personal moves. With that said why do you have a problem with me giving credit and respect to the pats while also being sarcastic at the same time?

 

No, I'm not mad. You're probably too blinded by yet another spittle-flecked, vein-busting tantrum to realize that.

[UMFan83]

EDIT: Bandwagon or not Truffle, nobody can hate on the Pats for their front office moves and organizational philosophy/coaching. I'm not a Tom Brady fan but I'm a fan of the Pats playing chess while everyone is playing checkers. In the Bears case they're playing Life.

 

You are acting like other teams were like "Oh crap, Albert Haynesworth? Why didn't I think of acquiring him! Dammit Patriots, you are just too smart for us."

 

It's so damn shrewd of the Pats to take a chance on an overpaid headcase who chooses when to display his admittedly good talent.

[rawaction]

How does Jay Cutler feel right now?

 

-Come to Chicago with high expectations. Goes thru a 7-9 season in his first year. Throws league high in INTs

 

-2nd year, no OL help brought in. No WR help brought in. New offensive coordinator with a confrontational reputation comes in. Season was a success overall, but Cutler suffered over 50 sacks and the season ended in fiasco with many of his own fanbase throwing him under the bus.

 

-3rd year. On the eve of training camp opening, still has no OL help. Still has no WR help. Just lost his best friend on the team and his favorite receiver.

 

He can't be feeling too good about being in Chicago long-term right now. I'm sure he'll say all the right things, but this can't be what he had in mind. Granted there's a lot of time to heal all the current open wounds, but it's probably going to take 2 OL and a really good receiving target to get the franchise QB back to really feeling confident about his and the team's chances.

[Soul]

Bottom line for me (and I've felt this way for awhile): there are too many people casting this team as a perennial loser, and too many people buying into it.

 

We've been either in the Super Bowl or on the the brink 2 of the last 5 years. This team isn't doing badly AT ALL.

 

If not for struggles with the management of the OLine, I'd say we are in damn fine shape compared to the rest of the league. Defensively, few would argue the Bears are one of the better franchises in the NFL.

Edited July 29, 2011 by Soul

[cubbyvirus00]

EDIT: Bandwagon or not Truffle, nobody can hate on the Pats for their front office moves and organizational philosophy/coaching. I'm not a Tom Brady fan but I'm a fan of the Pats playing chess while everyone is playing checkers. In the Bears case they're playing Life.

 

You are acting like other teams were like "Oh crap, Albert Haynesworth? Why didn't I think of acquiring him! Dammit Patriots, you are just too smart for us."

 

It's so damn shrewd of the Pats to take a chance on an overpaid headcase who chooses when to display his admittedly good talent.

 

I agree, I'm sure there were teams that thought it was a bad move. But actually it was a brilliant move. The Pats had what, 6 picks in the first 3 rounds to work with in this years draft? It was a great move.

 

1)Because the Pats have the best coach in football that every player in the NFL respects and he has the ability to pick up scraps off the garbage heap and work with those players to turn them back into difference makers.

 

2)They have nothing to lose and everything to gain in two former top players at their positions, especially due to the amount of talent they added thru the draft.

 

You can call me a spaz all you want, but I'm pissed off because this team has set Cutler up to fail for going on 3 seasons now. We can't give this guy offensive tools to work with or a semi-decent oline to work behind? I'm pissed off because I'm tired of the analysts, fans, naysayers and even my own friends chide Cutler on the daily. I think the guys a great QB but he has suffered due to Angelo's mental midget moves and drafts.

 

We made the playoffs yes, but our defense is quickly aging, the kickoff rules have changed and I dont have faith that they're going to be able to carry the Bears as much as they have in years past.

[rawaction]

Bottom line for me (and I've felt this way for awhile): there are too many people casting this team as a perennial loser, and too many people buying into it.

 

We've been either in the Super Bowl or on the the brink 2 of the last 5 years. This team isn't doing badly AT ALL.

 

If not for struggles with the management of the OLine, I'd say we are in damn fine shape compared to the rest of the league. Defensively, few would argue the Bears are one of the better franchises in the NFL.

 

2nd most wins in the NFC in the last 6 years. The problem is consistency. 3 double digit win seasons. 2 sub .500 seasons in the last 6 years. Even the good teams in 2005 (29th ranked offense), 2006 (Grossman), and 2010 (30th ranked offense) had major flaws and won because unsubstainably good defense and special teams.

[Soul]

Cutler has progressively accomplished what people said he couldn't. First they said he would flat out fail period. Then it was that he couldn't get to the playoffs. Then it was that couldn't win a playoff game.

 

He's progressively knocked down all this BS. Yet people still cast him as a devil. This is just media types & fans who don't like his personality, wanting him to fail because he rubs them the wrong way. The fact is, he's on track and progressing. Yes, there are challenges on the roster. But he's dealing with them.

 

 

Defensively, have the Bears not shown over the years that they can put together a solid defensive roster? Of course they are aging, because they are attempting to put a little more focus on the offensive side of the ball as well. But in terms of competence, defense is right in the pocket of the Bears' core.

[Butterscup1679666578]

When is Cutler's contract up?

[Cubbies622]

Chiefs released LG Brian Waters.

It's a big surprise. Waters is a lifelong Chief and still an effective all-around guard at age 34. The Chiefs must be really confident in second-year heir apparent Jon Asamoah, who will take Waters' place in the starting lineup. Waters graded out as the 12th-best guard in football last season, per Pro Football Focus' ratings. He won't struggle to find a starting job as a free agent. Jul 28, 9:46 PM

 

Anyone know much about him? I know OT is a bigger concern, but really any solid veteran sounds like a good idea to me.

[Soul]

Bottom line for me (and I've felt this way for awhile): there are too many people casting this team as a perennial loser, and too many people buying into it.

 

We've been either in the Super Bowl or on the the brink 2 of the last 5 years. This team isn't doing badly AT ALL.

 

If not for struggles with the management of the OLine, I'd say we are in damn fine shape compared to the rest of the league. Defensively, few would argue the Bears are one of the better franchises in the NFL.

 

2nd most wins in the NFC in the last 6 years. The problem is consistency. 3 double digit win seasons. 2 sub .500 seasons in the last 6 years. Even the good teams in 2005 (29th ranked offense), 2006 (Grossman), and 2010 (30th ranked offense) had major flaws and won because unsubstainably good defense and special teams.

 

I'm a big believer in the 3 phases of football, because the Bears have shown that you can win with substandard qualities (mostly on offense). But alot of this is perception: people value offense above all. The fact is, building a team on defense is valid. The Bears do really well in everything *except* offense. I do believe we need to succeed on the offensive side of the ball to be a consistent winner like the Patriots. But casting this team as a bunch of bumbling idiots is what gets me. We all like to complain about Angelo, complain about Lovie's decisions. But let's not take it too far. There are real accomplishments on those resumes. Would I like it to be better? Of course. But it's not......the Texans (sorry to pick on them). Or the Browns.

[cubbyvirus00]

Bottom line for me (and I've felt this way for awhile): there are too many people casting this team as a perennial loser, and too many people buying into it.

 

We've been either in the Super Bowl or on the the brink 2 of the last 5 years. This team isn't doing badly AT ALL.

 

If not for struggles with the management of the OLine, I'd say we are in damn fine shape compared to the rest of the league. Defensively, few would argue the Bears are one of the better franchises in the NFL.

 

2nd most wins in the NFC in the last 6 years. The problem is consistency. 3 double digit win seasons. 2 sub .500 seasons in the last 6 years. Even the good teams in 2005 (29th ranked offense), 2006 (Grossman), and 2010 (30th ranked offense) had major flaws and won because unsubstainably good defense and special teams.

 

I'm a big believer in the 3 phases of football, because the Bears have shown that you can win with substandard qualities (mostly on offense). But alot of this is perception: people value offense above all. The fact is, building a team on defense is valid. The Bears do really well in everything *except* offense. I do believe we need to succeed on the offensive side of the ball to be a consistent winner like the Patriots. But casting this team as a bunch of bumbling idiots is what gets me. We all like to complain about Angelo, complain about Lovie's decisions. But let's not take it too far. There are real accomplishments on those resumes. Would I like it to be better? Of course. But it's not......the Texans (sorry to pick on them). Or the Browns.

 

 

You're absolutely correct. This team isn't the Browns or Texas for sure. They're a middle of the pack team that has had a few very impressive seasons on defense and special teams. Our best players on defense are getting old quickly and my main problem is with Angelo. Angelo hasn't been drafting impact players over the past 3 years and constantly picks players that are washing out of our roster. To say that we have NO picks remaining from 2007 is sad. I do have faith that 1 of Carimi or Paea will stick and I do think with the exception of the Enderle pick, this was our best draft in 5 years.

 

I'm pulling for Cutler because hes THE best QB this franchise has had in 30+ years. I would just like to see him supported with quality offensive players.

[scarey]

I liked Olsen, but what he provided this team (production wise) can be matched by Kellen Davis and Spaeth. By the end of the season, Olsen won't be missed much by any of us.

Zero chance you are correct.

 

Olsen was disappointing at times but this is a move based on a stubborn coach and not player ability/value. Just idiotic.

 

The big variable for this team is the offensive line. If the offensive line performs well, it doesn't matter if we have Olsen here or not. At the end of the season, I don't think anyone is going to lament this move. It has nothing to do with him being a disappointing or fantastic tight end.

 

The bottom line is the Martz offense has been put in place. I know a lot of us (me included) thought it was going to be a one year thing and the Bears would move on. The fact of the matter is that it's been implemented and it's about time to form the roster to it. Olsen doesn't fit that form and the Bears got a high 3rd round pick out of getting rid of him. It's not the worst thing in the world.

 

Believe me, I liked Olsen. This move has very little effect on this team though and they'll be able to get production out of the remaining tight ends.

[BigSlick]

I don't especially like the idea of trading away Olsen (especially because it seems like a philosophical move on Martz's behalf, and how long does he plan on being here? And how effective is he really as an Offensive Coordinator anymore anyway?) but getting a 3rd round pick for him is about right, maybe more than we should have expected.

 

Oh well, get a receiver and a guard and a couple more pieces and lets see how this season plays out.

[Banedon]

Danieal Manning gets a four-year, $20 million contract, with $9 million guaranteed from the Texans.

 

Also, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, veteran offensive tackle Willie Colon turned down an extra $3 million from the Bears to stay with the Steelers. Colon agreed to a five-year, $29 million contract.