2011 Bears Offseason thread

[RynoRules]

Apparently the entirety of Bears fandom shoved a pound of chuck into their brains the past couple days.

 

Explain to me how this team has gotten better over the last couple of days, particularly as compared to a team like the Pats, who have less cash to spend under the cap and yet have managed to acquire two impact players in 24 hours without giving up the farm.

[SpongeWorthy]

Wow, people overvalue Greg Olsen by a lot.

Just because Martz is too stupid (stubborn?) to utilize him properly does not mean that he is not a very valuable football player.

They threw plenty of passes to him. He just didn't catch near enough of them. How ever will the Bears replace Olsen's one good catch every 3 games now?

 

Olsen has a lot of ability. He was maddening at times but I think it was pretty obvious that other teams considered him a threat, maybe even moreso than the midgets at WR.

 

He was targeted a lot and inefficiently at times but that happens when your QB is running for his life and his "go to" receivers don't even know which foot to cut off of.

[bukie]

Wow, people overvalue Greg Olsen by a lot.

Just because Martz is too stupid (stubborn?) to utilize him properly does not mean that he is not a very valuable football player.

They threw plenty of passes to him. He just didn't catch near enough of them. How ever will the Bears replace Olsen's one good catch every 3 games now?

 

Its tough to catch lots of passes when you have to stay in to block most of the time because your O-Line is on roller skates, or when the defense focuses on you all day because you are the only real threat on the team....let's just trade Cutler now. He has no one to throw to, and I don't give a crap if they get Roy Williams.

He got the second most targets on the team and the fifth most catches, and was the 9th most efficient target on the team. He's not irreplaceable, and had a catch rate as bad as Knox, except everyone accepts Knox can't catch and apparently had no idea Olsen couldn't catch either.

[SpongeWorthy]

bukie, just because some stat geeks are taking football/basketball metrics very, very seriously doesn't entitle them to have very good explanatory power yet. This stuff is in its infancy and football isn't a game of discrete events like baseball where this stuff is ever going to be captured all that well by the numbers.

[bukie]

Here are my feelings on Olsen:

 

- He was the least efficient offensive player on the team last year, and isn't irreplaceable, even if they just threw the Olsen passes to Kellen Davis.

- There was always hope he'd be better, and he did make some great catches, but the many disappointing efforts just seem to get glossed over by the Bear fans.

- He wasn't re-signing with the Bears next year unless he hugely improved anyway, so it was either gamble that he'd improve drastically this year or hope to trade him and hope another team valued him highly so you got something of value for him. They got a decent young LB for him with an injury history, which is meh, but at least the defense gets a little younger.

[cubbyvirus00]

Watch us walk away with Roy Williams and some subpar lineman by Monday and Angelo declare our team "ready" for the season.

 

I cannot understand what Chicago is trying to accomplish. Playing against Green Bay was humorous in the NFC title game because their DB's absolutely owned Bears WRs.

[bukie]

bukie, just because some stat geeks are taking football/basketball metrics very, very seriously doesn't entitle them to have very good explanatory power yet. This stuff is in its infancy and football isn't a game of discrete events like baseball where this stuff is ever going to be captured all that well by the numbers.

Look, it's easy to explain away almost anything as a team-related issue, except catch rate, which is pared down to only catchable balls thrown his way. If you are in the bottom 5 in the league in catch rate, and your only job is to catch passes, then you are not very productive.

[RynoRules]

bukie, just because some stat geeks are taking football/basketball metrics very, very seriously doesn't entitle them to have very good explanatory power yet. This stuff is in its infancy and football isn't a game of discrete events like baseball where this stuff is ever going to be captured all that well by the numbers.

Look, it's easy to explain away almost anything as a team-related issue, except catch rate, which is pared down to only catchable balls thrown his way. If you are in the bottom 5 in the league in catch rate, and your only job is to catch passes, then you are not very productive.

 

What the hell is meant by "catchable ball"? Isn't that subjective in and of itself?

[SpongeWorthy]

bukie, just because some stat geeks are taking football/basketball metrics very, very seriously doesn't entitle them to have very good explanatory power yet. This stuff is in its infancy and football isn't a game of discrete events like baseball where this stuff is ever going to be captured all that well by the numbers.

Look, it's easy to explain away almost anything as a team-related issue, except catch rate, which is pared down to only catchable balls thrown his way. If you are in the bottom 5 in the league in catch rate, and your only job is to catch passes, then you are not very productive.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but has anyone really determined the catchability of a ball yet. If the DB falls down and I'm running 10 yards free and clear is that ball just as catchable as something within arms reach but I have a DB running stride for stride?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Matt Forte is "seriously considering" not reporting to Bears camp, a source tells beat writer Sean Jensen.

Forte is scheduled to earn just $555,000 as he heads into the final year of his rookie deal. He's seen DeAngelo Williams get paid and Chris Johnson, Frank Gore and Adrian Peterson all threaten holdouts. So even though he sad he doesn't plan to hold out just last week, he may have changed his mind. Getting a long-term extension done is a no-brainer for the Bears, but won't be priority until the free agency madness

[SpongeWorthy]

Has the Dan Conner thing even been confirmed yet? Also what pick did we get??

[scarey]

I liked Olsen, but what he provided this team (production wise) can be matched by Kellen Davis and Spaeth. By the end of the season, Olsen won't be missed much by any of us.

[salukifudd]

Has the Dan Conner thing even been confirmed yet? Also what pick did we get??

 

670 the score has reported neither, they are decent at getting things out quickly.

[SpongeWorthy]

If we're gonna be dumb and stubborn about the offense might as well go in for Nnamdi

[UMFan83]

Apparently the entirety of Bears fandom shoved a pound of chuck into their brains the past couple days.

 

Explain to me how this team has gotten better over the last couple of days, particularly as compared to a team like the Pats, who have less cash to spend under the cap and yet have managed to acquire two impact players in 24 hours without giving up the farm.

 

Both those impact players come with big question marks. Ochocinco is getting old and didnt have a good year last year and got owned in the playoffs the year before. We all know what question marks Haynesworth has. They have an organization that is willing to gamble with stuff like that, we don't.

[rawaction]

Gettis rumors starting now. I'm hoping that Connor is just an assumption based on the fact that the player involved was pending physical and Connor broke his hip last year.

[Butterscup1679666578]

#Bears trade Greg Olsen to #Panthers for 3rd rd pick. No other player involved. Teams talked players and it turned into 82 for the pick.

[SpongeWorthy]

Ok, a high 3rd rounder (Carolina should be terrible again) for Olsen is decent value. Sucks that there isn't anything coming back that can help this year though.

[Soul]

Watch us walk away with Roy Williams and some subpar lineman by Monday and Angelo declare our team "ready" for the season.

 

I cannot understand what Chicago is trying to accomplish. Playing against Green Bay was humorous in the NFC title game because their DB's absolutely owned Bears WRs.

 

That's a lot of spin. They were in the NFC Championship game. Somehow that's a joke?

[cubbyvirus00]

Watch us walk away with Roy Williams and some subpar lineman by Monday and Angelo declare our team "ready" for the season.

 

I cannot understand what Chicago is trying to accomplish. Playing against Green Bay was humorous in the NFC title game because their DB's absolutely owned Bears WRs.

 

That's a lot of spin. They were in the NFC Championship game. Somehow that's a joke?

 

It definitely could be. A bad call against the Lions, a horrible team in the Divisional game and the Green Bay game wasn't as close as the score indicated.

 

GB is stacked on defense and our offense will continue to be inept against them and perhaps even the Lions if we don't seriously upgrade our offensive positions.

[SpongeWorthy]

I think he meant the receivers being sodomized by the Green Bay DBs on national television was the humorous part.

[TruffleShuffle]

LOL@ Bears.

 

 

[expletive], stupid, dumb franchise.

 

 

 

Meanwhile the Pats trade for Ochocinco and pickup Fat Albert.

 

 

Looks like I'm rooting for the Pats this year until the Bears turn into a competent organization

 

you realize that other people can read your posts, right?

[jersey cubs fan]

Pathetic personnel management by bears. Just awful

[brinoch]

Pathetic personnel management by bears. Just awful

 

Really disappointing, too.

[jersey cubs fan]

I liked Olsen, but what he provided this team (production wise) can be matched by Kellen Davis and Spaeth. By the end of the season, Olsen won't be missed much by any of us.

Zero chance you are correct.

 

Olsen was disappointing at times but this is a move based on a stubborn coach and not player ability/value. Just idiotic.