Bulls Offseason Thread

[UK1679666180]

if the bulls really thought that they had no shot at lebron, though, they would have already signed morrow or miller to a hefty deal.

 

obviously, lebron is plan A, but morrow is not a terrible plan B. i don't think he's just a role player like miller or korver would be. we'll likely need morrow and another shooter like redick.

 

Why would you need two shooters like that, both are 2G and both have the same strength. Morrow is good enough to get 32-35 MPG, why spend that much leave JJ out there for about 15-20 minutes or so?

[Soul]

I don't pretend to know the ins-and-outs of basketball salary structure and roster building, but I would be very interested to see what exactly Miami could even do.

 

I mean, the Celtics won it all after acquiring 2 guys to go with their star Paul Pierce. OK, we all know that. But they actually did put some nice pieces around those 3 after the fact. It wasn't just ALL those 3 players and absolutely nothing else.

 

It seems like Miami would be less able to do that than Boston was. If that's the case, and it's literally junk up & down the roster after Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, then are those 3 really enough? Maybe not. In the absence of any depth whatever, does the idea that superstars win championships in the NBA still hold true? That theory may be put to its fullest test ever if Lebron goes South.

[Old Style]

Apple is releasing a limited edition LeBron James iPhone. It only vibrates though because it doesn't come with a ring.

 

[RedFlash]

If they can convince some solid guys to join them, it could be a bloodbath

 

IF Lebron goes to Miami, and I still have my doubts, then Wade/Bosh and James would be eating up the 90% of salary. Which means they willl have very little money to address 3 point shooting, interior defense, etc, etc, and Beasley and Chalmers don't have great trade value, but not enough to improve the team. In other words Miami would have to luck into some players to fill out the roster. James has to know this, that building a roster in Miami will be difficult and time consuming, and there is a chance that it could fail. The Bulls have a roster ready to compete now, Miami only has 2 superstars and two other players and 3 draft picks.

 

I know all signs are pointing to Miami, but I think that is a smokescreen.

 

within 2 years they are eating up 120% of the salary.

 

James isn't a stupid he has to see that. Building a long-term franchise with James/Wade and Bosh is a impssibility, imo. Thus I think Miami talk is just that......talk.

[SouthSideRyan]

cavs are trying to get jonny flynn. what do they have that minny would want in exchange for him?

 

not gonna happen.

 

What would minny want in exchange? Something stupid no doubt

[rawaction]

if the bulls really thought that they had no shot at lebron, though, they would have already signed morrow or miller to a hefty deal.

 

obviously, lebron is plan A, but morrow is not a terrible plan B. i don't think he's just a role player like miller or korver would be. we'll likely need morrow and another shooter like redick.

 

Why would you need two shooters like that, both are 2G and both have the same strength. Morrow is good enough to get 32-35 MPG, why spend that much leave JJ out there for about 15-20 minutes or so?

 

I think you need 2 shooters, but yeah, not both that play the same position. Morrow AND Korver may be asking too much, but that's something that could be necessary.

[SouthSideRyan]

Re: Celtics

 

Lebron/Wade/Bosh is pretty clearly better than Pierce/KG/Allen. Complementary pieces be damned, that team is the team to beat

[hawkeyecub]

cavs are trying to get jonny flynn. what do they have that minny would want in exchange for him?

 

not gonna happen.

 

The Wolves have been trying to dump Jefferson and I've heard they wouldn't be sad about parting with Flynn after his complaining. I don't know how much or if the Cavs could dump the salaries and they would have to get creative and make it at least a 3-team deal.

[rawaction]

I don't pretend to know the ins-and-outs of basketball salary structure and roster building, but I would be very interested to see what exactly Miami could even do.

 

I mean, the Celtics won it all after acquiring 2 guys to go with their star Paul Pierce. OK, we all know that. But they actually did put some nice pieces around those 3 after the fact. It wasn't just ALL those 3 players and absolutely nothing else.

 

It seems like Miami would be less able to do that than Boston was. If that's the case, and it's literally junk up & down the roster after Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, then are those 3 really enough? Maybe not. In the absence of any depth whatever, does the idea that superstars win championships in the NBA still hold true? That theory may be put to its fullest test ever if Lebron goes South.

 

Those 3 are better than the Celtics 3 though. Wade is easily better than any of the 3 Celtics by himself, and he would be the 2nd best player on the Heat. They could make up for not having a Rondo on their team, but I'm sure they can get the equivalent of Perkins, Big Baby, Tony Allen, and whoever else.

[Soul]

I don't pretend to know the ins-and-outs of basketball salary structure and roster building, but I would be very interested to see what exactly Miami could even do.

 

I mean, the Celtics won it all after acquiring 2 guys to go with their star Paul Pierce. OK, we all know that. But they actually did put some nice pieces around those 3 after the fact. It wasn't just ALL those 3 players and absolutely nothing else.

 

It seems like Miami would be less able to do that than Boston was. If that's the case, and it's literally junk up & down the roster after Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, then are those 3 really enough? Maybe not. In the absence of any depth whatever, does the idea that superstars win championships in the NBA still hold true? That theory may be put to its fullest test ever if Lebron goes South.

 

Those 3 are better than the Celtics 3 though. Wade is easily better than any of the 3 Celtics by himself, and he would be the 2nd best player on the Heat. They could make up for not having a Rondo on their team, but I'm sure they can get the equivalent of Perkins, Big Baby, Tony Allen, and whoever else.

 

Really? Celts got pretty good mileage from a guy like Perkins, for example. I don't think there are guys like that just laying around for minimum money. They struck gold in Rondo; that would be a heck of a lucky stroke if the Heat also did the equivalent.

[jersey cubs fan]

Re: Celtics

 

Lebron/Wade/Bosh is pretty clearly better than Pierce/KG/Allen. Complementary pieces be damned, that team is the team to beat

 

Where does Rondo fit in?

[RedFlash]

Suns will sign and trade Amar'e to NY ofr a $16.5 TPE, and then use $4 mill of that TPE and send it to the Bulls for Hakim Warrick and a 2nd rd pick.

[SouthSideRyan]

Re: Celtics

 

Lebron/Wade/Bosh is pretty clearly better than Pierce/KG/Allen. Complementary pieces be damned, that team is the team to beat

 

Where does Rondo fit in?

 

Rondo in '08 wasn't that great. He took some big leaps in '09 and especially '10.

[rawaction]

Anybody hear about Amare being a sign and trade now?

 

Apparantly, Hakim Warrick to the Suns is a part of the deal and the Bulls are involved.

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010/07/hakim-warrick-might-still-be-signed-and-traded.html

[rawaction]

I don't pretend to know the ins-and-outs of basketball salary structure and roster building, but I would be very interested to see what exactly Miami could even do.

 

I mean, the Celtics won it all after acquiring 2 guys to go with their star Paul Pierce. OK, we all know that. But they actually did put some nice pieces around those 3 after the fact. It wasn't just ALL those 3 players and absolutely nothing else.

 

It seems like Miami would be less able to do that than Boston was. If that's the case, and it's literally junk up & down the roster after Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, then are those 3 really enough? Maybe not. In the absence of any depth whatever, does the idea that superstars win championships in the NBA still hold true? That theory may be put to its fullest test ever if Lebron goes South.

 

Those 3 are better than the Celtics 3 though. Wade is easily better than any of the 3 Celtics by himself, and he would be the 2nd best player on the Heat. They could make up for not having a Rondo on their team, but I'm sure they can get the equivalent of Perkins, Big Baby, Tony Allen, and whoever else.

 

Really? Celts got pretty good mileage from a guy like Perkins, for example. I don't think there are guys like that just laying around for minimum money. They struck gold in Rondo; that would be a heck of a lucky stroke if the Heat also did the equivalent.

 

Perkins put up 7 points and 5.5 boards that year. Rondo scored 3 fewer points per game and has doubled his assists since the championship season.

 

Plus, I'd even go as far as to say:

 

Lebron+ Wade+ Bosh > KG+ Allen+ Pierce + Rondo.. right now.

[CubColtPacer]

If they can convince some solid guys to join them, it could be a bloodbath

 

IF Lebron goes to Miami, and I still have my doubts, then Wade/Bosh and James would be eating up the 90% of salary. Which means they willl have very little money to address 3 point shooting, interior defense, etc, etc, and Beasley and Chalmers don't have great trade value, but not enough to improve the team. In other words Miami would have to luck into some players to fill out the roster. James has to know this, that building a roster in Miami will be difficult and time consuming, and there is a chance that it could fail. The Bulls have a roster ready to compete now, Miami only has 2 superstars and two other players and 3 draft picks.

 

I know all signs are pointing to Miami, but I think that is a smokescreen.

 

within 2 years they are eating up 120% of the salary.

 

James isn't a stupid he has to see that. Building a long-term franchise with James/Wade and Bosh is a impssibility, imo. Thus I think Miami talk is just that......talk.

 

Not only is it not an impossibility, but Miami's way would likely be the ideal way to build a long term franchise. Their only possible problems would be in the short term not the long term.

[jersey cubs fan]

Lebron+ Wade+ Bosh > KG+ Allen+ Pierce + Rondo.. right now.

 

But what about the other parts of that equation?

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't pretend to know the ins-and-outs of basketball salary structure and roster building, but I would be very interested to see what exactly Miami could even do.

 

I mean, the Celtics won it all after acquiring 2 guys to go with their star Paul Pierce. OK, we all know that. But they actually did put some nice pieces around those 3 after the fact. It wasn't just ALL those 3 players and absolutely nothing else.

 

It seems like Miami would be less able to do that than Boston was. If that's the case, and it's literally junk up & down the roster after Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, then are those 3 really enough? Maybe not. In the absence of any depth whatever, does the idea that superstars win championships in the NBA still hold true? That theory may be put to its fullest test ever if Lebron goes South.

 

Those 3 are better than the Celtics 3 though. Wade is easily better than any of the 3 Celtics by himself, and he would be the 2nd best player on the Heat. They could make up for not having a Rondo on their team, but I'm sure they can get the equivalent of Perkins, Big Baby, Tony Allen, and whoever else.

 

Really? Celts got pretty good mileage from a guy like Perkins, for example. I don't think there are guys like that just laying around for minimum money. They struck gold in Rondo; that would be a heck of a lucky stroke if the Heat also did the equivalent.

 

Perkins put up 7 points and 5.5 boards that year. Rondo scored 3 fewer points per game and has doubled his assists since the championship season.

 

Plus, I'd even go as far as to say:

 

Lebron+ Wade+ Bosh > KG+ Allen+ Pierce + Rondo.. right now.

 

I'd agree with that.

[Sammy Sofa]

Not only is it not an impossibility, but Miami's way would likely be the ideal way to build a long term franchise. Their only possible problems would be in the short term not the long term.

 

The short term is pretty critical given who we're talking about here.

[RedFlash]

Not only is it not an impossibility, but Miami's way would likely be the ideal way to build a long term franchise. Their only possible problems would be in the short term not the long term.

 

It may not be an impossibility, but that plan is based on getting solid to good role players, or basically luck into them in the draft.

[Keener98]

What exactly is the Bulls benefit of signing and trading Warrick?

[Sammy Sofa]

What exactly is the Bulls benefit of signing and trading Warrick?

 

For the Bulls? The draft pick they got in return.

[RedFlash]

What exactly is the Bulls benefit of signing and trading Warrick?

 

For the Bulls? The draft pick they got in return.

 

I think the Bulls are giving up a draft pick and getting a $4 mill TPE.

 

Edit rotoworld made it sound like the Bulls were giving up the 2nd rd pick.

Edited July 8, 2010 by RedFlash

[Keener98]

What exactly is the Bulls benefit of signing and trading Warrick?

 

For the Bulls? The draft pick they got in return.

Wow reading is key. I read that about the sign and trade and completely missed the whole 2nd round pick to Chicago lol

[Magnetic Curses]

if the bulls really thought that they had no shot at lebron, though, they would have already signed morrow or miller to a hefty deal.

 

obviously, lebron is plan A, but morrow is not a terrible plan B. i don't think he's just a role player like miller or korver would be. we'll likely need morrow and another shooter like redick.

 

Why would you need two shooters like that, both are 2G and both have the same strength. Morrow is good enough to get 32-35 MPG, why spend that much leave JJ out there for about 15-20 minutes or so?

 

because morrow would be our only shooter on a team desperate for shooting. plus, he'd be starting and he'd be an integral part of the team. it's not like we can't have both out on the court at once.