Will Andre Dawson get elected to the Hall of Fame? YES!

[fromthestretch]

Looking at the next two years' candidates...

 

2011: Bagwell, Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, John Franco, John Olerud, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez

- Bagwell probably the best bet, but I don't anticipate a lot of support for any of the others.

 

2012: Bernie Williams, Javy Lopez, ...

- Yeah, there may not be anybody getting in this year. The third best candidate may just be Jeromy Burnitz.

 

So, Blyleven and Alomar are definitely getting in over the next couple years.

 

I could see Brown getting decent support in 2011, although most likely not enough to put him in.

[Guest]

I don't think 312Sports is a terrible idea, but it would be nice if a snippet or quote of some sort accompanied the links that were provided.

Will do.

[SouthSideRyan]

Looking at the next two years' candidates...

 

2011: Bagwell, Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, John Franco, John Olerud, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez

- Bagwell probably the best bet, but I don't anticipate a lot of support for any of the others.

 

2012: Bernie Williams, Javy Lopez, ...

- Yeah, there may not be anybody getting in this year. The third best candidate may just be Jeromy Burnitz.

 

So, Blyleven and Alomar are definitely getting in over the next couple years.

 

I kinda hope Blyleven doesn't get in next year so that he can get in his 15th year, and keep Morris out til the Vet Committee does something stupid.

[SouthSideRyan]

Looking at the next two years' candidates...

 

2011: Bagwell, Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, John Franco, John Olerud, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez

- Bagwell probably the best bet, but I don't anticipate a lot of support for any of the others.

 

2012: Bernie Williams, Javy Lopez, ...

- Yeah, there may not be anybody getting in this year. The third best candidate may just be Jeromy Burnitz.

 

So, Blyleven and Alomar are definitely getting in over the next couple years.

 

I could see Brown getting decent support in 2011, although most likely not enough to put him in.

 

I think Brown and Olerud are both going to be robbed. Wouldn't be shocked to see 1 or both fall off the 1st year.

[fromthestretch]

Looking at the next two years' candidates...

 

2011: Bagwell, Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, John Franco, John Olerud, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez

- Bagwell probably the best bet, but I don't anticipate a lot of support for any of the others.

 

2012: Bernie Williams, Javy Lopez, ...

- Yeah, there may not be anybody getting in this year. The third best candidate may just be Jeromy Burnitz.

 

So, Blyleven and Alomar are definitely getting in over the next couple years.

 

I could see Brown getting decent support in 2011, although most likely not enough to put him in.

 

I think Brown and Olerud are both going to be robbed. Wouldn't be shocked to see 1 or both fall off the 1st year.

 

I would be surprised if Brown fell off the 1st year, but you could be right about Olerud.

[hardcorecubfan]

This interview on mlb.com is great!!

 

He settling for a 700000 dollar pay cut to come to us. A classy guy

[Derwood]

FWIW, Dawson doesn't have the lowest OBP in the Hall.

 

Joe Tinker's career OBP was .308. His career OPS was .661

 

I know, I know, dead ball era, but still, his OPS+ is 95 for crap's sake.

 

EDIT: Never mind, Dawson has the lowest OBP among HoF outfielders.

 

reading is a skill

[champaignchris]

Looking at the next two years' candidates...

 

2011: Bagwell, Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, John Franco, John Olerud, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez

- Bagwell probably the best bet, but I don't anticipate a lot of support for any of the others.

 

Larry Walker is a guy who people should look closely at his numbers. He had some real, real good seasons with the bat and was a great fielder. The Colorado factor may work against him. I think it did against Andres Galarraga. I didn't think Galarraga would ever sniff the Hall, but I thought he'd at least get 5% and hang around for a year or two. Walker put up a very similar career to Duke Snyder.

 

Palmeiro would be a shoe-in first ballot, no questions asked without the roids.

 

If you think Frank Thomas is a HoFer, you should think Bagwell is too. Basically the same rate stats, but Bagwell played his entire career as a fielder (a decent one, too) and didn't get to prolong his career as a DH and get the same accumulation stats.

 

I don't see Brown getting much support. He's sort of like Curt Schilling without the reputation for post-season heroics.

[fromthestretch]

Looking at the next two years' candidates...

 

2011: Bagwell, Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, John Franco, John Olerud, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez

- Bagwell probably the best bet, but I don't anticipate a lot of support for any of the others.

 

Larry Walker is a guy who people should look closely at his numbers. He had some real, real good seasons with the bat and was a great fielder. The Colorado factor may work against him. I think it did against Andres Galarraga. I didn't think Galarraga would ever sniff the Hall, but I thought he'd at least get 5% and hang around for a year or two. Walker put up a very similar career to Duke Snyder.

 

 

I like Walker. He was entering his prime years as he went to Colorado and actually had a very good season his last year in Montreal. He put up a 1.044 OPS in Colorado. While there's no doubt that Coors helped to some extent, it's not like every hitter that goes there hits at that level over the course of 10 years.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Would love any tips from people who have gone on Induction Weekend before.

 

 

Rent a car and stay in Albany. It's much cheaper. There will be tons of autograph signings on Saturday. Shop around, but be prepared to spend if you want the big guys.

 

Get there early for the induction on Sunday. It gets crowded fast. Make sure you plan plenty of time at the Hall of Fame museum. It will be crowded but there's lots to see.

[rocket]

Looking at the next two years' candidates...

 

2011: Bagwell, Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, John Franco, John Olerud, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez

- Bagwell probably the best bet, but I don't anticipate a lot of support for any of the others.

 

Larry Walker is a guy who people should look closely at his numbers. He had some real, real good seasons with the bat and was a great fielder. The Colorado factor may work against him. I think it did against Andres Galarraga. I didn't think Galarraga would ever sniff the Hall, but I thought he'd at least get 5% and hang around for a year or two. Walker put up a very similar career to Duke Snyder.

 

Palmeiro would be a shoe-in first ballot, no questions asked without the roids.

 

If you think Frank Thomas is a HoFer, you should think Bagwell is too. Basically the same rate stats, but Bagwell played his entire career as a fielder (a decent one, too) and didn't get to prolong his career as a DH and get the same accumulation stats.

 

I don't see Brown getting much support. He's sort of like Curt Schilling without the reputation for post-season heroics.

 

i see him like edgar martinez. he has great career slash stats but in the voters' eyes i don't think he complied enough numbers to make it in. to his advantage, he was a good defender, but that's probably canceled out by the coors effect.

[erik316wttn]

Looking at the next two years' candidates...

 

2011: Bagwell, Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, John Franco, John Olerud, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez

- Bagwell probably the best bet, but I don't anticipate a lot of support for any of the others.

 

Larry Walker is a guy who people should look closely at his numbers. He had some real, real good seasons with the bat and was a great fielder. The Colorado factor may work against him. I think it did against Andres Galarraga. I didn't think Galarraga would ever sniff the Hall, but I thought he'd at least get 5% and hang around for a year or two. Walker put up a very similar career to Duke Snyder.

 

Palmeiro would be a shoe-in first ballot, no questions asked without the roids.

 

If you think Frank Thomas is a HoFer, you should think Bagwell is too. Basically the same rate stats, but Bagwell played his entire career as a fielder (a decent one, too) and didn't get to prolong his career as a DH and get the same accumulation stats.

 

I don't see Brown getting much support. He's sort of like Curt Schilling without the reputation for post-season heroics.

 

Bags would be in for sure, and I think Thomas had enough before primarily DH'ing and going to oakland and toronto to get in.

[weis21]

It seems fairly obviously that Bagwell was a juicer, too. Dude is like 1/3 of his playing size right now.

 

Nobody thinks that would have implications to his potential "first time ballot" induction?

[Cubswin11]

Looking at the next two years' candidates...

 

2011: Bagwell, Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, John Franco, John Olerud, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez

- Bagwell probably the best bet, but I don't anticipate a lot of support for any of the others.

 

Larry Walker is a guy who people should look closely at his numbers. He had some real, real good seasons with the bat and was a great fielder. The Colorado factor may work against him. I think it did against Andres Galarraga. I didn't think Galarraga would ever sniff the Hall, but I thought he'd at least get 5% and hang around for a year or two. Walker put up a very similar career to Duke Snyder.

 

 

I like Walker. He was entering his prime years as he went to Colorado and actually had a very good season his last year in Montreal. He put up a 1.044 OPS in Colorado. While there's no doubt that Coors helped to some extent, it's not like every hitter that goes there hits at that level over the course of 10 years.

Agreed certainly that 1.044 OPS was "Coors aided", but you still got to be a damn good hitter to put up an OPS like that regardless of park and over the course of a decade+ it takes out some of the outlier potnetial. Plus, even take into consideration that he played in Coors and take out the "Coors factor" he is still a .900+ OPS player for a decade. The biggest thing he has going for him, IMO, is that he was an elite hitter in the 90's/early 2000's and is considered a "clean" guy.

[Soul]

It seems fairly obviously that Bagwell was a juicer, too. Dude is like 1/3 of his playing size right now.

 

Nobody thinks that would have implications to his potential "first time ballot" induction?

 

Maybe, but is there anything more than just people speculating? I don't recall any actual accusations.

[Backtobanks]

According to today's Tribune, Dawson asked to wear a Cubs' cap on his plaque. I guess the HOF and the player jointly decide in a case like this.

[Soul]

I was thinking they'd go Expos, but if Dawson is vocal about wanting the Cubs, then I would think the HOF will allow that. It isn't like he only spent a couple uneventful years in Chicago. They were important years for his career.

[NCCubFan]

The Hall has the final say, but I think they'd probably consider the player's wishes if a legitimate case could be made for the player's preferred team (and, in Dawson's situation I think a case could be made for the Cubs even though I think a better case could be made for the Expos). If a player spent 19 years with one team and one year with another, then asked for his plaque to show the cap of the team he spent one year with, I'm sure the Hall would exercise its authority and say no.

 

A completely separate issue is what team's cap the player wears on the day of the induction ceremony. I think that decision is up to the player.

[J.R.]

Dawson's wishes should be considered, as there's no Boggery afoot between him and the Cubs; Dawson works for the Marlins.

 

Also significant is the fact that there is no more Montreal National League entry. Who exactly stands to be hurt by an Expos snub?

[jersey cubs fan]

Also significant is the fact that there is no more Montreal National League entry. Who exactly stands to be hurt by an Expos snub?

 

Theoretically, the Nationals, and history/museum attendees. They try to portray the guy in the most appropiate hat, and I think they try and maintain a link to the history of baseball. The expos are part of that history and I could see them specifically wanting him to be an Expo to maintain/highlight that history, in addition to the fact that Montreal is probably the most appropriate hat in Dawson's case.

[SouthSideRyan]

Dawson's wishes should be considered, as there's no Boggery afoot between him and the Cubs; Dawson works for the Marlins.

 

Also significant is the fact that there is no more Montreal National League entry. Who exactly stands to be hurt by an Expos snub?

 

The already shattered hearts of Expos fans.

[Sammy Sofa]

Dawson's wishes should be considered, as there's no Boggery afoot between him and the Cubs; Dawson works for the Marlins.

 

Also significant is the fact that there is no more Montreal National League entry. Who exactly stands to be hurt by an Expos snub?

 

The already shattered hearts of Expos fans.

 

Poor bastards:

 

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/expos.htm

[MSG T]

Dawson's wishes should be considered, as there's no Boggery afoot between him and the Cubs; Dawson works for the Marlins.

 

Also significant is the fact that there is no more Montreal National League entry. Who exactly stands to be hurt by an Expos snub?

 

The already shattered hearts of Expos fans.

 

Both of them will get over it.

[SouthSideRyan]

Dawson's wishes should be considered, as there's no Boggery afoot between him and the Cubs; Dawson works for the Marlins.

 

Also significant is the fact that there is no more Montreal National League entry. Who exactly stands to be hurt by an Expos snub?

 

The already shattered hearts of Expos fans.

 

Both of them will get over it.

 

You'd hate baseball too if you had a miserable human being sent to your team to torch it to the ground and pee pee on the ashes so the other 29 owners could make a buck off of you. It's disturbing what happened to the Expos. Somebody's going to make a really good documentary about the heinous [expletive] that went down there.

[MSG T]

Dawson's wishes should be considered, as there's no Boggery afoot between him and the Cubs; Dawson works for the Marlins.

 

Also significant is the fact that there is no more Montreal National League entry. Who exactly stands to be hurt by an Expos snub?

 

The already shattered hearts of Expos fans.

 

Both of them will get over it.

 

You'd hate baseball too if you had a miserable human being sent to your team to torch it to the ground and pee pee on the ashes so the other 29 owners could make a buck off of you. It's disturbing what happened to the Expos. Somebody's going to make a really good documentary about the heinous [expletive] that went down there.

 

I agree that the whole deal that led to their move was crap, but it's not like they drew fans there anyway. Even in their best years, they might have 15-20,000 fans. Yeah it sucked for the people that did go, but they were never a big attraction for Montreal. They drew an average of 25,000+ 5 seasons(79-83), that's it 5 years. In 1987 they won 91 games and averaged 22,000. In 1993 they won 94 games and drew an average of 20,000. So what MLB did to them sucked, but no one in Montreal cared. If they did, the team wouldn't have been treated the way it was.