NCAA Conference Realignment

[kujay]

Honestly, I have no idea, but if I was in your position, I'd be a little scared. It seems like the remaining schools in the conference are just signing everything over to Texas and FSN for a fixedyment with limited potential for any growth over the next 20 years (not that the conference will survive for that long). A successful television network in Kansas might work, but I don't know what rights FSN would have over that. Nor do I know what the odds are of a Kansas network in the state of Kansas bringing in much money.

 

well, right now KU has given the local broadcast rights to hoops games to JTV (Jayhawk TV). It's part of ESPN plus. I believe we make a lot of money off it.

 

Yeah they show the games that nobody else picks up. And a local network picks up the JTV games. It's not a dedicated channel. I know you know that, just pointing it out for those who may not.

[Formerly Snayke]

I have to tip my invisible hat to aTm. Brilliant. Just brilliant. Two bowl wins since 1990 (the last of which in the prestigious Galleryfurniture.com Bowl and they somehow got themselves on UT and OU's level.

[SouthSideRyan]

I have to tip my invisible hat to aTm. Brilliant. Just brilliant. Two bowl wins since 1990 (the last of which in the prestigious Galleryfurniture.com Bowl and they somehow got themselves on UT and OU's level.

 

Maybe if Mizzou had a charismatic leader like Mike Sherman you could be on their level.

[TruffleShuffle]

Big XII will die, because they have the conference killer in the conference, they just put off their death for a few more years.

 

what does this mean? who is the conference killer?

 

Texas.

 

i guess, but texas is bigger and better than everyone else and they expect to be treated accordingly. and why shouldn't they? in tv deals, baylor and iowa st apparently stand to rake in $15M a year while texas could net $25M a year - really, texas is worth more than that and the dregs of the conference are worth less. texas has pretty much every conference in america chasing after it, and stands to make a lot more money in the big ten and sec or be a much better academic fit in the big ten or pac 10.

 

texas isn't the big xii killer as much as the demographics of the conference and turds like iowa st, baylor, kansas st and texas tech which add little or nothing to national interest in the conference.

[Butterscup1679666578]

yeah apparently there is no new TV offer on the table. this is horrible.

[Guest]

Big XII will die, because they have the conference killer in the conference, they just put off their death for a few more years.

 

what does this mean? who is the conference killer?

 

Texas.

 

i guess, but texas is bigger and better than everyone else and they expect to be treated accordingly. and why shouldn't they? in tv deals, baylor and iowa st apparently stand to rake in $15M a year while texas could net $25M a year - really, texas is worth more than that and the dregs of the conference are worth less. texas has pretty much every conference in america chasing after it, and stands to make a lot more money in the big ten and sec or be a much better academic fit in the big ten or pac 10.

 

texas isn't the big xii killer as much as the demographics of the conference and turds like iowa st, baylor, kansas st and texas tech which add little or nothing to national interest in the conference.

 

Every conference has several schools who add nothing. Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State in the Pac-10, Missisippi St., Ole Miss, Vandy, South Carolina in the SEC, Northwestern, Minnesota, Penn State in the Big 10, and yet all of those conferences manage to keep from the brink of destruction. And half the schools you mentioned weren't in the last conference that Texas killed.

[Butterscup1679666578]

yeah apparently there is no new TV offer on the table. this is horrible.

 

Sounds like they needed to make sure everyone was on board before they could go forward with negotations. Still brutal.

[SpongeWorthy]

Big XII will die, because they have the conference killer in the conference, they just put off their death for a few more years.

 

what does this mean? who is the conference killer?

 

Texas.

 

i guess, but texas is bigger and better than everyone else and they expect to be treated accordingly. and why shouldn't they? in tv deals, baylor and iowa st apparently stand to rake in $15M a year while texas could net $25M a year - really, texas is worth more than that and the dregs of the conference are worth less. texas has pretty much every conference in america chasing after it, and stands to make a lot more money in the big ten and sec or be a much better academic fit in the big ten or pac 10.

 

texas isn't the big xii killer as much as the demographics of the conference and turds like iowa st, baylor, kansas st and texas tech which add little or nothing to national interest in the conference.

 

Every conference has several schools who add nothing. Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State in the Pac-10, Missisippi St., Ole Miss, Vandy, South Carolina in the SEC, Northwestern, Minnesota, Penn State in the Big 10, and yet all of those conferences manage to keep from the brink of destruction. And half the schools you mentioned weren't in the last conference that Texas killed.

 

Nice slip in of PSU there.

 

Even among the schools you listed I would say Wazzu, Miss State, and Minnesota are another level of add-nothingness. Oregon State is consistently decent. ASU has hot chicks. Vandy and Norhtwestern have great academics.

[Exile on Waveland]

I don't believe for a second that Nebraska is the 4th most valuable program in the NCAA, and even if they are close to that they're trending down. The national following is gonna disappear when they never win more than 8 games for the next forever.

 

1) Forbes is lying?

 

2) Nebraska is 19-8 the last two years and 20-8 under Pelini (3-0 in bowls). So, as far as them not winning more than eight games for the next forever, they have actually won more than eight games the past two seasons.

[tadowdaddy]

yeah apparently there is no new TV offer on the table. this is horrible.

 

 

You really think UT, OU, and A&M were willing to forgo these offers (Pac 10 and SEC) based on a "stab in the dark"? It's been confirmed to me that Fox has stepped to the table and has presented outcomes with pretty concrete numbers. Otherwise, we'd have had a different outcome. They can't negotiate until the current Fox contract is off the table. People who don't think that a package was presented in some way are very naive.

[Guest]

I don't believe for a second that Nebraska is the 4th most valuable program in the NCAA, and even if they are close to that they're trending down. The national following is gonna disappear when they never win more than 8 games for the next forever.

 

1) Forbes is lying?

 

2) Nebraska is 19-8 the last two years and 20-8 under Pelini (3-0 in bowls). So, as far as them not winning more than eight games for the next forever, they have actually won more than eight games the past two seasons.

 

I'm sure they didn't use imaginary numbers or something, I'm saying that their conclusion is wrong.

 

I was talking regular season wins, and after last year's confluence of fortune that got them to 9 wins, they'll be back to okaydom (or worse if they lose a game they should win) this year.

[SpongeWorthy]

If Pelini is the right hire I don't see any real reason that NU can't be in national title discussion every once in awhile. They won't be an annual powerhouse like Texas or OU but they can be top dog if everything breaks right.

[Exile on Waveland]

I don't believe for a second that Nebraska is the 4th most valuable program in the NCAA, and even if they are close to that they're trending down. The national following is gonna disappear when they never win more than 8 games for the next forever.

 

1) Forbes is lying?

 

2) Nebraska is 19-8 the last two years and 20-8 under Pelini (3-0 in bowls). So, as far as them not winning more than eight games for the next forever, they have actually won more than eight games the past two seasons.

 

I'm sure they didn't use imaginary numbers or something, I'm saying that their conclusion is wrong.

 

I was talking regular season wins, and after last year's confluence of fortune that got them to 9 wins, they'll be back to okaydom (or worse if they lose a game they should win) this year.

 

So Forbes is wrong? OK. Well, I think they're wrong the other way. Nebraska is the most valuable football program in the nation. HUGE coup for the Big 10. Prove me wrong.

 

I was totally expecting the regular season wins argument. Still, they won nine last year so it's not exactly unprecedented. Regardless, who cares? Winning a bowl game is pretty important. I do agree, however, that playing in the Big 10 figures to be more taxing than the Big 12 for Nebraska.

[RedFlash]

Big XII will die, because they have the conference killer in the conference, they just put off their death for a few more years.

 

what does this mean? who is the conference killer?

 

Texas.

 

Who killed the SWC, hence Texas=Conference killer.

[RedFlash]

A&M is the only one I'm not sure about if they had the offer from the SEC.

 

They had an offer. In fact they were the only school with rumors to the SEC to have an offer.

[Old Style]

A&M is the only one I'm not sure about if they had the offer from the SEC.

 

They had an offer. In fact they were the only school with rumors to the SEC to have an offer.

Apparently it is still there if we change our mind or this Fox TV deal for the Mack-10 falls through.

[TruffleShuffle]

Big XII will die, because they have the conference killer in the conference, they just put off their death for a few more years.

 

what does this mean? who is the conference killer?

 

Texas.

 

i guess, but texas is bigger and better than everyone else and they expect to be treated accordingly. and why shouldn't they? in tv deals, baylor and iowa st apparently stand to rake in $15M a year while texas could net $25M a year - really, texas is worth more than that and the dregs of the conference are worth less. texas has pretty much every conference in america chasing after it, and stands to make a lot more money in the big ten and sec or be a much better academic fit in the big ten or pac 10.

 

texas isn't the big xii killer as much as the demographics of the conference and turds like iowa st, baylor, kansas st and texas tech which add little or nothing to national interest in the conference.

 

Every conference has several schools who add nothing. Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State in the Pac-10, Missisippi St., Ole Miss, Vandy, South Carolina in the SEC, Northwestern, Minnesota, Penn State in the Big 10, and yet all of those conferences manage to keep from the brink of destruction. And half the schools you mentioned weren't in the last conference that Texas killed.

 

south carolina, ole miss and penn st (you were probably just trolling with that one) have no business being on this list.

[snoodmonger]

 

south carolina, ole miss and penn st (you were probably just trolling with that one) have no business being on this list.

 

Sure they do (minus PSU). You talked about adding "national interest" in a conference. Who outside of SEC country is tuning in to see a South Carolina game? Or an Ole Miss game? In either major sport?

 

Those programs bring the same amount of attention to their conference that KSU/ISU do to the Big 12.

 

I would argue that Tech--especially with Leach's crazy air attack--garnered much more national interest than any of the schools you mentioned.

[TruffleShuffle]

south carolina has steve spurrier as their coach and beat (then) top 5 mississippi last year in a thursday night game that received quite a bit of attention. they're a much bigger deal than turds like KSU/ISU. i will also point to everyone's favorite forbes study, which has rated south carolina as the 12th most valuable college football program in the nation the last two years.

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm going to disagree on Ole Miss. They have a pretty strong tradition (two Mannings doesn't hurt) and have had some pretty good teams recently. I'd say they're clearly above Iowa State and really K-State too. They may not be Florida/Alabama/Georgia/LSU, but no conference can entirely be elite teams. Teams like Iowa State actually detract, in my opinion. Ole Miss is a positive. If Iowa State or Kansas State or someone was the prime time game on Saturday I would groan, not so if it was Ole Miss (my fabricated subjective test).

 

South Carolina strikes me as pretty much a zero, though better than ISU/KSU.*

 

 

 

 

*Turns out Forbes likes them too. Oh well, didn't realize. Apologies Gamecocks.

[da bears]

let's be honest, most programs are not relevant nationally. if you look at each conference, there's maybe 3 teams that matter (minus the sec). the big 12 is just weak enough that it could be picked apart, thus showing the truly important programs to the irrelevant ones. most of you should consider yourselves lucky that you will probably never see just how irrelevant your team school is.

[snoodmonger]

gimme a break. You're bringing up isolated instances (eli manning) or South Carolina lucking out and beating a top 5 team. That doesn't mean they're bringing national attention to the conference. If it does, than KSU counts because it almost went to the title game once. Or because they somehow luck out and beat highly ranked texas every time they play. and KU counts because it played for the #1 ranking a few years ago vs Mizzou.

 

Are South Carolina and Ole Miss better programs than ISU or KSU? Sure. Are they bringing more national attention to their respective conferences than those teams? Maybe. But not much. They're the "who cares" teams of the SEC. If I find out I'm about to watch So Car is about to play Bama, I groan just as much as i do when I find out KSU is about to play OU.

 

ETA: the Forbes argument is pretty stupid to me, too.

 

The original point was about bringing national attention to the conference, not program value. I don't think the two are necessarily tied together. There are probably tons of reasons a program can be valued high, regardless of national brand equity. The ad agency I work at just pitched a company named McKesson. It's a Fortune 500 company worth over a billion dollars. Most of us working on it had never heard of it before.

[Andy]

Supposedly the Big 12 (-2) will play a 9-game conference schedule to increase their value to broadcasters, which is a good and probably necessary idea.

[Foulacy]

I'm still pissed about this. I want all of A&M's leadership replaced. They are spineless, weak, and short sighted.

 

I wonder how long the Mack-10 will survive? Maybe 5 years?

 

I know for a fact that A LOT of Aggie fans are sick to their stomach at their fave schools dependence of Texas. The ones I know were screaming to go to the SEC, but apparently the TAM leadership didn't listen what the fans wanted, but what their pockets wants.

 

As for the Big 1+11-2 Conference, 5 years is highly unlikely. I'd give them half that time, before other schools in the conference have buyer's remorse and jump ship.

 

like who?

 

OU, aTm, and UT have no reason. They're making money hand over fist, and every other school is willing to smile and take it.

 

Outside of Mizzou, no one else has any options to go. We've seen pretty clearly that no one is knocking down any doors to grab KSU, ISU, KU, or Baylor.

 

Tech and Okie Lite are only worth a crap if they tag along w their big brothers.

 

The conference will be fine as long as the big 3 are happy with their dough.

 

Big three? There is not a big three. There are 2 teams in the big 12, OU and Texas. To put A&M on their level is hilarious. A&M sucks at football, basketball, and baseball. The only sport going on right now is baseball; OU is in the World Series, Texas made it to qualifying but lost to TCU, and A&M didn't even make it to qualifying and barely played .500 in the conference. At least Texas Tech had one good football season before OU put that down, A&M has always been worthless.

[hawkeyecub]

I'm still pissed about this. I want all of A&M's leadership replaced. They are spineless, weak, and short sighted.

 

I wonder how long the Mack-10 will survive? Maybe 5 years?

 

I know for a fact that A LOT of Aggie fans are sick to their stomach at their fave schools dependence of Texas. The ones I know were screaming to go to the SEC, but apparently the TAM leadership didn't listen what the fans wanted, but what their pockets wants.

 

As for the Big 1+11-2 Conference, 5 years is highly unlikely. I'd give them half that time, before other schools in the conference have buyer's remorse and jump ship.

 

like who?

 

OU, aTm, and UT have no reason. They're making money hand over fist, and every other school is willing to smile and take it.

 

Outside of Mizzou, no one else has any options to go. We've seen pretty clearly that no one is knocking down any doors to grab KSU, ISU, KU, or Baylor.

 

Tech and Okie Lite are only worth a crap if they tag along w their big brothers.

 

The conference will be fine as long as the big 3 are happy with their dough.

 

Big three? There is not a big three. There are 2 teams in the big 12, OU and Texas. To put A&M on their level is hilarious. A&M sucks at football, basketball, and baseball. The only sport going on right now is baseball; OU is in the World Series, Texas made it to qualifying but lost to TCU, and A&M didn't even make it to qualifying and barely played .500 in the conference. At least Texas Tech had one good football season before OU put that down, A&M has always been worthless.

 

If they suck at basketball right now then what is OU? The last 5 years they've at least made it to the second round of the NCAA's while OU has done that twice with two terrible seasons mixed in. And they cheated to get 13 wins this year. Though I doubt that Capel cheated as much as your previous coach who is barred from the game. Well done.

 

They have not always been worthless. From the mid 80's to the late 90's they were a top 20 program. ETA: From '85-2000 they finished in the top 10 five times, from 10-20 five more times and from 20-25 three times. They've still got the tradition, resources and budget to get back there, they just need the right coach.