NCAA Conference Realignment

[jersey cubs fan]

Let's just break it down by national championships in the big 3 sports.

Oh, so since I made you look like a moron you are changing your argument. I should have seen that one coming.

 

To be fair, all you did was point out some rather pedestrian success.

[Tracer Bullet]

A&M isn't on Texas or OU's level.

 

Texas Tech has gotten more nationwide attention in the last 5 or so years than A&M has.

 

yeah, i think hyperbole has made it more difficult, but foulacy's ultimate conclusion is right: there is no big 3 in the Big 12. OU/Texas are alone at the top.

[SouthSideRyan]

A&M isn't on Texas or OU's level.

 

Texas Tech has gotten more nationwide attention in the last 5 or so years than A&M has.

 

yeah, i think hyperbole has made it more difficult, but foulacy's ultimate conclusion is right: there is no big 3 in the Big 12. OU/Texas are alone at the top.

 

Well, Texas is alone at the top.

[SpongeWorthy]

Not on the football field.

[Old Style]

A&M isn't on Texas or OU's level.

 

Texas Tech has gotten more nationwide attention in the last 5 or so years than A&M has.

Never did I argue that. He said A&M sucks at the Big 3 sports and that just isn't accurate. Everyone focuses on the disappointment that has been Texas A&M football recently and just falsely assumes that the whole athletic program is terrible.

[Tracer Bullet]

A&M isn't on Texas or OU's level.

 

Texas Tech has gotten more nationwide attention in the last 5 or so years than A&M has.

 

yeah, i think hyperbole has made it more difficult, but foulacy's ultimate conclusion is right: there is no big 3 in the Big 12. OU/Texas are alone at the top.

 

Well, Texas is alone at the top.

 

Certainly historically and in the last few years. Though OU had a pretty good run there.

 

I think the separation between Texas and OU (currently) is significantly smaller than that between OU and the rest of the field.

[SpongeWorthy]

A&M isn't on Texas or OU's level.

 

Texas Tech has gotten more nationwide attention in the last 5 or so years than A&M has.

 

yeah, i think hyperbole has made it more difficult, but foulacy's ultimate conclusion is right: there is no big 3 in the Big 12. OU/Texas are alone at the top.

 

Well, Texas is alone at the top.

 

Certainly historically and in the last few years. Though OU had a pretty good run there.

 

I think the separation between Texas and OU (currently) is significantly smaller than that between OU and the rest of the field.

 

They made the BCS title game 2 season ago. I guess Texas has a more recent championship and just played for one but there is barely separation there. It's like Alabama vs. Florida.

[SouthSideRyan]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

[Foulacy]

A&M isn't on Texas or OU's level.

 

Texas Tech has gotten more nationwide attention in the last 5 or so years than A&M has.

Never did I argue that. He said A&M sucks at the Big 3 sports and that just isn't accurate. Everyone focuses on the disappointment that has been Texas A&M football recently and just falsely assumes that the whole athletic program is terrible.

 

Well I can compare 9 win football seasons if you want me to since i guess that is what A&M considers a "successful" season :lol:

 

At OU and Texas championships are all that matter. OU was in 40% of the BCS championship games in the 2000's and won 1 of them. Any other team in the big 12 would die for that but at Oklahoma there was quite a bit of people that wanted to fire stoops because he only won 1. That's the difference between a Texas/Oklahoma and everyone else.

[Foulacy]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

No. Every conference would love to have either of those teams.

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Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

I guess I was thinking of quality of their football programs with my last post. In terms of value to a conference, Texas is alone at #1. But OU is still head and shoulders above any other team in the conference. I think you can reasonably refer to them as the top 2 in the conference.

[Tracer Bullet]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

No. Every conference would love to have either of those teams.

 

but every conference would pick Texas first without a second thought.

[SouthSideRyan]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

No. Every conference would love to have either of those teams.

 

but every conference would pick Texas first without a second thought.

 

And I'm not so sure the Big Ten would take them. Especially if they aren't attached to Texas

[Tracer Bullet]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

No. Every conference would love to have either of those teams.

 

but every conference would pick Texas first without a second thought.

 

And I'm not so sure the Big Ten would take them. Especially if they aren't attached to Texas

 

you mean now that they have 12 or instead of Nebraska?

[SouthSideRyan]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

No. Every conference would love to have either of those teams.

 

but every conference would pick Texas first without a second thought.

 

And I'm not so sure the Big Ten would take them. Especially if they aren't attached to Texas

 

you mean now that they have 12 or instead of Nebraska?

 

Well I meant now, but yes both.

[Foulacy]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

I guess I was thinking of quality of their football programs with my last post. In terms of value to a conference, Texas is alone at #1. But OU is still head and shoulders above any other team in the conference. I think you can reasonably refer to them as the top 2 in the conference.

 

Historically OU's football program is better than Texas'.

 

Since 1945 OU has the best winning percentage out of any football program, most wins, most weeks ranked #1, most weeks ranked in the top 5, weeks ranked #1 in the BCS, Weeks ranked in the top 5 of the BCS, and the most all-americans.

 

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/m-footbl-no1-program-modern-era.html

 

OU has 7 AP national championships, Texas has 3

Ou has 42 conference championships, Texas has 32

OU has 142 All-americans, Texas has 129

OU has had 5 heisman winners, Texas has 2

OU has 21 players in the College hall of fame, Texas has 11

 

OU also has the record for most consecutive victories with 47, a record that will never be broken.

 

But Texas brings more money to a conference because the size of their state and all the viewers in that state. So in terms of bringing money, Texas is number one. In terms of the actual football team, OU is by far number one.

Edited June 16, 2010 by Foulacy

[jersey cubs fan]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

I guess I was thinking of quality of their football programs with my last post. In terms of value to a conference, Texas is alone at #1. But OU is still head and shoulders above any other team in the conference. I think you can reasonably refer to them as the top 2 in the conference.

 

Historically OU's football program is better than Texas'.

 

Since 1945 OU has the best winning percentage out of any football program, most wins, most weeks ranked #1, most weeks ranked in the top 5, weeks ranked #1 in the BCS, Weeks ranked in the top 5 of the BCS, and the most all-americans.

 

OU has 7 national championships, Texas has 4 (i think)

Ou has 42 conference championships, Texas has 32

OU has 142 All-americans, Texas has 129

OU has had 5 heisman winners, Texas has 2

OU has 21 players in the College hall of fame, Texas has 11

 

OU also has the record for most consecutive victories with 47, a record that will never be broken.

 

But Texas brings more money to a conference because the size of their state and all the viewers in that state. So in terms of bringing money, Texas is number one. In terms of the actual football team, OU is by far number one.

 

and the rest of the athletic department, correct?

[SpongeWorthy]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

I guess I was thinking of quality of their football programs with my last post. In terms of value to a conference, Texas is alone at #1. But OU is still head and shoulders above any other team in the conference. I think you can reasonably refer to them as the top 2 in the conference.

 

Historically OU's football program is better than Texas'.

 

Since 1945 OU has the best winning percentage out of any football program, most wins, most weeks ranked #1, most weeks ranked in the top 5, weeks ranked #1 in the BCS, Weeks ranked in the top 5 of the BCS, and the most all-americans.

 

OU has 7 national championships, Texas has 4 (i think)

Ou has 42 conference championships, Texas has 32

OU has 142 All-americans, Texas has 129

OU has had 5 heisman winners, Texas has 2

OU has 21 players in the College hall of fame, Texas has 11

 

OU also has the record for most consecutive victories with 47, a record that will never be broken.

 

But Texas brings more money to a conference because the size of their state and all the viewers in that state. So in terms of bringing money, Texas is number one. In terms of the actual football team, OU is by far number one.

 

OU also played in the greatest college football game of all time. I don't think they put that one in the brochure though :cool:

[Foulacy]

Aren't we talking about value to a conference? Is there any conference that would pause for a second when having a choice between Texas and Oklahoma?

 

I guess I was thinking of quality of their football programs with my last post. In terms of value to a conference, Texas is alone at #1. But OU is still head and shoulders above any other team in the conference. I think you can reasonably refer to them as the top 2 in the conference.

 

Historically OU's football program is better than Texas'.

 

Since 1945 OU has the best winning percentage out of any football program, most wins, most weeks ranked #1, most weeks ranked in the top 5, weeks ranked #1 in the BCS, Weeks ranked in the top 5 of the BCS, and the most all-americans.

 

OU has 7 national championships, Texas has 4 (i think)

Ou has 42 conference championships, Texas has 32

OU has 142 All-americans, Texas has 129

OU has had 5 heisman winners, Texas has 2

OU has 21 players in the College hall of fame, Texas has 11

 

OU also has the record for most consecutive victories with 47, a record that will never be broken.

 

But Texas brings more money to a conference because the size of their state and all the viewers in that state. So in terms of bringing money, Texas is number one. In terms of the actual football team, OU is by far number one.

 

OU also played in the greatest college football game of all time. I don't think they put that one in the brochure though :cool:

 

The Boise State game? Man, that was such a good game. I thought we had won it on the interception with like 40 seconds left :(

 

I edited my post above, Texas actually only has 3 AP national championships, not 4

[TruffleShuffle]

foulacy is arguing something completely different than everyone else is talking about. everyone knows OU has a good football tradition, but that doesn't matter.

[UMFan83]

So with Utah getting invited to the Pac 10, it looks like they will also be setting up 2 divisions. I am assuming the divisions will look something like this:

 

North Division:

California

Oregon

Oregon State

Stanford

Washington

Washington State

 

South Division:

Arizona

Arizona State

Colorado

Southern California

UCLA

Utah

 

I'm guessing the Pac 10 wants to keep the Washingtons and Oregons together as well as UCLA/USC and the Stanford and Cal rivalry. I think ideally they'd rather not have both the new teams in the same division but it works too well like this.

[Tony Thomas]

Utah Utes in the 12 PAC!

[bukie]

So with Utah getting invited to the Pac 10, it looks like they will also be setting up 2 divisions. I am assuming the divisions will look something like this:

 

North Division:

California

Oregon

Oregon State

Stanford

Washington

Washington State

 

South Division:

Arizona

Arizona State

Colorado

Southern California

UCLA

Utah

 

I'm guessing the Pac 10 wants to keep the Washingtons and Oregons together as well as UCLA/USC and the Stanford and Cal rivalry. I think ideally they'd rather not have both the new teams in the same division but it works too well like this.

 

I think you swap Cal-Stanford with Colorado-Utah and it works much better geographically.

[Foulacy]

foulacy is arguing something completely different than everyone else is talking about. everyone knows OU has a good football tradition, but that doesn't matter.

 

What's that? Value to a conference? I said that Texas brings more money to a conference than OU does, but OU has a far better football program than Texas does.

[SpongeWorthy]

Yeah I read the California schools are going to be broken up. I don't like that.

 

I would put CU and Utah with the Oregon/Washington schools and put the CA schools with the AZ schools.