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I'm very surprised we aren't at least 99% self-sufficient.

 

What's strange to me is that your total revenue minus the subsidy is still more than your expenses. So you didn't need the subsidy. It's like they just said here take this money, but they didn't need it. Or spend it...

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Some internet chatter that Clemson has reached an agreement in principle to join the Big 12.

I'll be surprised if THIS is true. The guy who started this rumor has been saying it for a month. Someone else picked it up and now it's making it's rounds. Like Soler to the Cubs did a few months back. Clemson is dying to join the SEC. My guess is the SEC is trying to do better though. But very soon, Clemson and FSU will leave. Fsu almost definitely to the SEC and I think Clemson eventually gets in there too.

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Some internet chatter that Clemson has reached an agreement in principle to join the Big 12.

I'll be surprised if THIS is true. The guy who started this rumor has been saying it for a month. Someone else picked it up and now it's making it's rounds. Like Soler to the Cubs did a few months back. Clemson is dying to join the SEC. My guess is the SEC is trying to do better though. But very soon, Clemson and FSU will leave. Fsu almost definitely to the SEC and I think Clemson eventually gets in there too.

 

Everything I've heard/read says that Florida, Georgia, south carolina, and Kentucky have formed a voting block against any of their in-state rivals joining the SEC. And I think the SEC would much rather add Va Tech and UNC than two schools that offer no expanded footprint, anyway.

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UNC is not leaving the ACC and Duke. With the power play Mark Warner(gov of Virginia) pulled, to get Va Tech into the ACC, I doubt they go anywhere without UVA attached. Edited by davell
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Everything I've heard/read says that Florida, Georgia, south carolina, and Kentucky have formed a voting block against any of their in-state rivals joining the SEC. And I think the SEC would much rather add Va Tech and UNC than two schools that offer no expanded footprint, anyway.

 

Yeah, I don't think Clemson/Ga Tech/Louisville make any sense for the SEC. You expand to get more exposure in areas you aren't currently in. None of those three teams offer that. If the SEC could simply choose a school to add, I think it'd be Virginia Tech. FSU is such a national brand, though, that I think the SEC would have interest there.

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UNC is not leaving the ACC and Duke. With the power play Mark Warnee(gov of Virginia) pulled, to get Va Tech into the ACC, I doubt they go anywhere without UVA attached.

Yeah, there's no way UNC leaves the ACC without Duke and NCSU

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UNC is not leaving the ACC and Duke. With the power play Mark Warnee(gov of Virginia) pulled, to get Va Tech into the ACC, I doubt they go anywhere without UVA attached.

Yeah, there's no way UNC leaves the ACC without Duke and NCSU

 

It'll be interesting to see what they do if the ACC starts breaking up. I have no idea if all this FSU/Clemson stuff is true, but if it is, and if that triggers other ACC schools (VTech, GTech) heading to the SEC or Big 12, then the remaining schools have to consider whether or not they want a realistic shot at the big football money.

 

If they do, there won't be many places that can accomodate Duke and UNC, let along Duke, UNC, and NC State.

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They'll keep the ACC alive as a basketball oriented conference. It's what it's been all along anyway.

 

And shut out the entire state of North Carolina from major conference football, and give up tens of millions of dollars in the process?

 

Duke makes sense, they're a private school that's never been anything in football(and that program almost assuredly loses money anyway), so they can transition to being like Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, etc. But the flagship public universities that have had football success and have an actual following? I have a hard time seeing that being what's given up in favor of a conference relationship with their basketball/non-revenue rivals.

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Carolina and Duke are tied at the hip. They're not leaving each other. Personally, I'm not so sure State wouldn't go to the SEC, if asked. This being said, I figure if it comes down to it, the ACC does become one of the 16 team BCS conferences somehow. They've got Pitt and Syracuse now. My guess is if they lose FSU and Clemson, they'll get UCONN and Rutgers. Miami would leave, but they'd probably go get another Big East school to take their place, probably finishing off the Big East as a football conference completely.
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I will say this though: As an ACC guy, we majorly effed up by not taking WVU. If this thing goes worst case scenario though, which is the elite 4 conferences leaving the NCAA, then my hope is my guys(UNC grad) go to the SEC. If we let it be known we were open to it, I don't see much chance they wouldn't take us.
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Carolina and Duke are tied at the hip. They're not leaving each other. Personally, I'm not so sure State wouldn't go to the SEC, if asked. This being said, I figure if it comes down to it, the ACC does become one of the 16 team BCS conferences somehow. They've got Pitt and Syracuse now. My guess is if they lose FSU and Clemson, they'll get UCONN and Rutgers. Miami would leave, but they'd probably go get another Big East school to take their place, probably finishing off the Big East as a football conference completely.

 

There's no way the ACC becomes one of the 16 team super conferences if they lose FSU and CU. the PAC, B1G, and SEC have 3/4 locked up. That would leave it between the Big 12 and a very depleted ACC that is widely considered a bad football conference, even with the teams they'll have lost.

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I will say this though: As an ACC guy, we majorly effed up by not taking WVU. If this thing goes worst case scenario though, which is the elite 4 conferences leaving the NCAA, then my hope is my guys(UNC grad) go to the SEC. If we let it be known we were open to it, I don't see much chance they wouldn't take us.

Four elite conferences?

 

Totally and completely solid:

 

Big 10

Pac 10

SEC

 

Generally solid, though somewhat at risk:

 

ACC

Big 12 (until the next time Texas gets wishy-washy)

 

On the brink:

 

Big East

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Carolina and Duke are tied at the hip. They're not leaving each other. Personally, I'm not so sure State wouldn't go to the SEC, if asked. This being said, I figure if it comes down to it, the ACC does become one of the 16 team BCS conferences somehow. They've got Pitt and Syracuse now. My guess is if they lose FSU and Clemson, they'll get UCONN and Rutgers. Miami would leave, but they'd probably go get another Big East school to take their place, probably finishing off the Big East as a football conference completely.

 

There's no way the ACC becomes one of the 16 team super conferences if they lose FSU and CU. the PAC, B1G, and SEC have 3/4 locked up. That would leave it between the Big 12 and a very depleted ACC that is widely considered a bad football conference, even with the teams they'll have lost.

Can't deny that. As much as I don't like the NCAA, I hope it sticks together. Mainly because I'm a basketball fan, first and foremost. It would take an act of congress to get us to leave Duke, but if it comes down to it, I'm honestly worried we'd drag our feet before leaving. Like I said, we should have taken WVU, when we had the chance. If it comes down to a horserace with us against the Big12,I'm not confident. We are a basketball conference and my hope is we become the new Big East, in a new version of the NCAA with everyone else still in it as well. I'll give up football for that with no problem myself.

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While it's dreaming right now, we need to get Texas and not worry about their mega TV deal. But Swofford is not going to ever go for that.
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