NCAA Conference Realignment

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"@suss2hyphens: If college realignment were a board game, it'd be called Drunk Risk."

[SouthSideRyan]

Plus it seems pretty well accepted that MD to the B1G means UConn is gone from the BEast too

[Butterscup1679666578]

FSU will eventually go to the Big 12. SEC will eventually add NC State and someone else. Megaconferences will be here shortly.

[Guest]

FSU will eventually go to the Big 12. SEC will eventually add NC State and someone else. Megaconferences will be here shortly.

How can a Mizzou guy think that the Big 12 will survive a megaconference scenario?

[UMFan83]

If the BCS system wasn't going away in a couple of years, would the Big East have possibly lost its BCS automatic bid? I don't know how it worked and how much the Big East invested in the system but I couldn't imagine BCS bowl games with the likes of SMU and Central Florida.

[WrigleyField 22]

FSU will eventually go to the Big 12. SEC will eventually add NC State and someone else. Megaconferences will be here shortly.

How can a Mizzou guy think that the Big 12 will survive a megaconference scenario?

Just playing around with scenarios, its definitely hard to see a true mega-conference scenario (four 16 school conferences) with the Big 12 still in existence. They'd have to add six major programs to get to 16- maybe with a pseudo ACC merger. So I guess if the Big Ten and SEC each raid an ACC school, it could happen. Although if the Pac gets involved in expansion its almost sure to poach at least two of Texas/TT/Ok/OkSt from the Big 12. So that's where a mega-conference scenario with the Big 12 in existence really starts to fall apart.

[snoodmonger]

I see how this will make the conference more money, but I don't see how it will make it better. Neither school raises the profile in football. Scheduling becomes more complicated.

[Ryne Ween]

In a megaconference scenario... why wouldnt the 3-4 powerful megaconferences effectively dissolve the NCAA in favor of an oversight body they control. Sort of like a BCS that that controlls all of collegiate athletics. Im not saying I want this or even care if they did this, but the NCAA does not have to exist and if 3 conferences cornered all 'profitable college sports' why wouldnt they just leave the NCAA, establish their own oversight and then bully the rest of the universities into joining it?

[jersey cubs fan]

In a megaconference scenario... why wouldnt the 3-4 powerful megaconferences effectively dissolve the NCAA in favor of an oversight body they control. Sort of like a BCS that that controlls all of collegiate athletics. Im not saying I want this or even care if they did this, but the NCAA does not have to exist and if 3 conferences cornered all 'profitable college sports' why wouldnt they just leave the NCAA, establish their own oversight and then bully the rest of the universities into joining it?

 

Because college presidents like to hide behind the cloak of "purity and amateurism" the NCAA provides.

[Ryne Ween]

In a megaconference scenario... why wouldnt the 3-4 powerful megaconferences effectively dissolve the NCAA in favor of an oversight body they control. Sort of like a BCS that that controlls all of collegiate athletics. Im not saying I want this or even care if they did this, but the NCAA does not have to exist and if 3 conferences cornered all 'profitable college sports' why wouldnt they just leave the NCAA, establish their own oversight and then bully the rest of the universities into joining it?

 

Because college presidents like to hide behind the cloak of "purity and amateurism" the NCAA provides.

 

I could see the PAC16 being miffed enough about the many, many millions that the NCAA cost them because they were embarrassed that a couple of yahoo sports interns made them look inept. NCAAs 5 year investigation dug up what we alreadfy knew from the yahoo article and that a tennis player made some long distance phone calls. Im sure the PAC wants to get out in front of the Oregon sanctions also.

 

The big 10 I am sure wants to vacate the penalties against penn state and osu that were similiarly heavyhanded. Not that the conferences would blow up the ncaa to lift in-place penalties, but the spectre of the NCAA being able to hand these things out in a Goodellian manner has to bug them more than the cloak of purity makers them comfy.

[jersey cubs fan]

In a megaconference scenario... why wouldnt the 3-4 powerful megaconferences effectively dissolve the NCAA in favor of an oversight body they control. Sort of like a BCS that that controlls all of collegiate athletics. Im not saying I want this or even care if they did this, but the NCAA does not have to exist and if 3 conferences cornered all 'profitable college sports' why wouldnt they just leave the NCAA, establish their own oversight and then bully the rest of the universities into joining it?

 

Because college presidents like to hide behind the cloak of "purity and amateurism" the NCAA provides.

 

I could see the PAC16 being miffed enough about the many, many millions that the NCAA cost them because they were embarrassed that a couple of yahoo sports interns made them look inept. NCAAs 5 year investigation dug up what we alreadfy knew from the yahoo article and that a tennis player made some long distance phone calls. Im sure the PAC wants to get out in front of the Oregon sanctions also.

 

The big 10 I am sure wants to vacate the penalties against penn state and osu that were similiarly heavyhanded. Not that the conferences would blow up the ncaa to lift in-place penalties, but the spectre of the NCAA being able to hand these things out in a Goodellian manner has to bug them more than the cloak of purity makers them comfy.

 

On the contrary I think the presidents want the NCAA making those decisions and there's no way they want to vacate Penn State's penalty.

[SABR Gamer]

In a megaconference scenario... why wouldnt the 3-4 powerful megaconferences effectively dissolve the NCAA in favor of an oversight body they control. Sort of like a BCS that that controlls all of collegiate athletics. Im not saying I want this or even care if they did this, but the NCAA does not have to exist and if 3 conferences cornered all 'profitable college sports' why wouldnt they just leave the NCAA, establish their own oversight and then bully the rest of the universities into joining it?

 

Because college presidents like to hide behind the cloak of "purity and amateurism" the NCAA provides.

 

I could see the PAC16 being miffed enough about the many, many millions that the NCAA cost them because they were embarrassed that a couple of yahoo sports interns made them look inept. NCAAs 5 year investigation dug up what we alreadfy knew from the yahoo article and that a tennis player made some long distance phone calls. Im sure the PAC wants to get out in front of the Oregon sanctions also.

 

The big 10 I am sure wants to vacate the penalties against penn state and osu that were similiarly heavyhanded. Not that the conferences would blow up the ncaa to lift in-place penalties, but the spectre of the NCAA being able to hand these things out in a Goodellian manner has to bug them more than the cloak of purity makers them comfy.

 

The schools collectively choose the penalties themselves, the NCAA enforces the penalty. The NCAA isn't some power hungry organization that hands out penalties left and right for the hell of it. The schools altogether decide the punishments, idk why some people don't get that.

[mul21]

The schools may choose the punishments, but the NCAA decides who they get handed out to in a completely haphazard, nonsensical manner.

[jersey cubs fan]

The schools may choose the punishments, but the NCAA decides who they get handed out to in a completely haphazard, nonsensical manner.

 

no, not really

[Ryne Ween]

The schools dont choose the penalties they accept them from the infractions committee and they have no choice but to accept them. Im not sure what you mean in your posts. There is no way that the PAC would impose the same penalties on USC that the NCAA did, which is my point.

[Ryne Ween]

In a megaconference scenario... why wouldnt the 3-4 powerful megaconferences effectively dissolve the NCAA in favor of an oversight body they control. Sort of like a BCS that that controlls all of collegiate athletics. Im not saying I want this or even care if they did this, but the NCAA does not have to exist and if 3 conferences cornered all 'profitable college sports' why wouldnt they just leave the NCAA, establish their own oversight and then bully the rest of the universities into joining it?

 

Because college presidents like to hide behind the cloak of "purity and amateurism" the NCAA provides.

 

I could see the PAC16 being miffed enough about the many, many millions that the NCAA cost them because they were embarrassed that a couple of yahoo sports interns made them look inept. NCAAs 5 year investigation dug up what we alreadfy knew from the yahoo article and that a tennis player made some long distance phone calls. Im sure the PAC wants to get out in front of the Oregon sanctions also.

 

The big 10 I am sure wants to vacate the penalties against penn state and osu that were similiarly heavyhanded. Not that the conferences would blow up the ncaa to lift in-place penalties, but the spectre of the NCAA being able to hand these things out in a Goodellian manner has to bug them more than the cloak of purity makers them comfy.

 

The schools collectively choose the penalties themselves, the NCAA enforces the penalty. The NCAA isn't some power hungry organization that hands out penalties left and right for the hell of it. The schools altogether decide the punishments, idk why some people don't get that.

 

Not sayign the NCAA is 'power hungry' but I think it overplays its charge in the interest of appearing stern on violations to the integrity of college sports, which Im pretty sure everybody has considered a lost cause since the early 80s.

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http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2012/11/19/3666870/the-big-ten-expands-a-q-a-with-angerbrian-ragecook

i [expletive] love Brian Cook

 

Weird

yeah we know you're more of an Ace Williams/MF Jones kind of guy

 

Have to give him credit for his understanding of ND's reaction to the big ten move-laughter and appreciation.

[jersey cubs fan]

The schools dont choose the penalties they accept them from the infractions committee and they have no choice but to accept them. Im not sure what you mean in your posts. There is no way that the PAC would impose the same penalties on USC that the NCAA did, which is my point.

 

The school presidents know the sports leagues and teams cannot and will not police themselves, which is why they want the NCAA to do it. No team is going to want to be punished, but as long as the presidents are in control, they will want somebody to maintain the facade of the purity of amateurism and student athletes, so they give the job to the NCAA.

[mul21]

The schools may choose the punishments, but the NCAA decides who they get handed out to in a completely haphazard, nonsensical manner.

 

no, not really

 

Very well explained. Thanks. :roll:

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So NewsCorp (FOX) bought 49% of the YES Network today, if they needed any more leverage to get BTN on the air in NYC they have it now.

[NewUserName]

 

On the contrary I think the presidents want the NCAA making those decisions and there's no way they want to vacate Penn State's penalty.

 

I think they feel that way today, I do not think they will feel the same way in a couple of years though

[SouthSideRyan]

 

On the contrary I think the presidents want the NCAA making those decisions and there's no way they want to vacate Penn State's penalty.

 

I think they feel that way today, I do not think they will feel the same way in a couple of years though

 

In a couple of years when there's one year left on their penalty?

[Ryne Ween]

They lost 20 scholarships per annum during the probation period. It will take at least 6 years for the program to be on a level playing field with the other big time programs. I dont think it will, but penalties as harsh as PSUs are very capable of destroying a program for good.

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They lost 20 scholarships per annum during the probation period. It will take at least 6 years for the program to be on a level playing field with the other big time programs. I dont think it will, but penalties as harsh as PSUs are very capable of destroying a program for good.

 

Within 1-2 years they will be selling kids on returning PSU to glory. They will struggle with depth over the next few years due to the scholarship crunch but they will still keep getting top tier talent. NFL scouts will still watch, they'll still be on national TV, and if the current coaching staff stays they have NFL guys to coach up the players.

[Ryne Ween]

They lost 20 scholarships per annum during the probation period. It will take at least 6 years for the program to be on a level playing field with the other big time programs. I dont think it will, but penalties as harsh as PSUs are very capable of destroying a program for good.

 

Within 1-2 years they will be selling kids on returning PSU to glory. They will struggle with depth over the next few years due to the scholarship crunch but they will still keep getting top tier talent. NFL scouts will still watch, they'll still be on national TV, and if the current coaching staff stays they have NFL guys to coach up the players.

 

Athletes from Texas, Florida, California and the delta born in 1997-2000 most likely wont have an appreciation for returning PSU to glory when O'Brien is working on his 2014-2016 hauls. Unless Obrien can work miracles Penn State is going to be pretty bad for the next 3 years.