NCAA Football Coaching Vacancies

[RedFlash]

really? what big time program was he an assistant at? never worked anywhere bigger than Cincy you say?

 

Ok, was his CMU record similar to Meyer's BG record? Somewhat comparable? 10-12 in his first 2 seasons. A bowl game in his 3rd season. No quite 17-6 in 2 years (and was CMU as pathetic as Bowling Green?). He's done well at Cincy, though he followed Mark Dantonio. But not quite Meyer's 20-2 in 2 seasons at Utah.

 

He's got more experience as a HC at a younger age though in much, much lower competition. His path to BCS level coaching is nothing like Meyer's. Why are they the same?

 

 

Urban Meyer didn't become a "hot name" for coaching AFTER he got to Utah, even with the success at Bowling Green. In fact Brian Kelly has had a longer track of success as a HC then Urban Meyer despite the level of competition. He went 118-35-2 at Grand Valley State with two national titles and five conference titles. Then at Central Michigan his teams in the three years there went 4-7 to 9-4, and currently he is 26-8 at Cincinnati. Urban Meyer had only been a head coach for four years before he got the UF, whereas Kelly had been a HC for over a decade before getting the Cincy job. Not to mention it hasn't hampered Jim Tressel going from Youngston State to Ohio State, so why do you think Kelly can't handle going from Cincinnati to Notre Dame?

 

 

A fine coach is a fine coach, regardless of competition. Bob Davie was an assistant at Notre Dame before got to be a HC, that hasn't worked out. So this belief that because Kelly doesn't have the assisant coach resume like Meyer he can't and shouldn't be compared to Urban Meyer is ridiculous. Notre Dame would be wise to hire Brian Kelly if they have the opportunity.

[TheVolCub08]

All depends upon his staff. He's been known to recruit Oklahoma with pretty decent success, and has been able to entice the occasional Texan to sign with him, and he's had success elsewhere in the midwest, so I think he can it done in that regard. But, he's proven that if he does not have the assistants, he's not the head coach his record suggests. Wouldn't be shocked to see Sanders back on board with him, and I can see a couple of his old buddies rejoining him, and even wonder if Garner gets passed over again at UGA, if Fulmer would hire him as the DC.

 

That's kind of what I thought. I could see him trying to bring in Randy Sanders, but I wonder if Sanders would leave Kentucky knowing he'll get the OC job once Joker Phillips makes the move to head coach.

 

If not Sanders, I wonder if Fulmer would look at Rob Spence or Scott Loefler, two guys he apparently considered for the UT OC job when he hired Clawson? Either would be very good OCs, I think.

 

Plus, let's be honest... if you have to rebuild in the Big 12, it's nice to do it in a separate division from Oklahoma and Texas.

 

This is very true and is why I think Fulmer would be highly interested. Not having to deal with the big dogs in a conference until the championship game is a good deal.

 

For the record, Spence is available, seeing that Syracuse fired him today.

 

The appeal for Randy is this, imo: He's coaching under Joker (and the leaf is off this rose) in a division where he can hope to compete for 3rd best on a consistent basis in a defensive-oriented conference. Or, he could coach for a rpoven winner in a weaker division against weaker defenses. Either way, he' coaching at a basketball school, and Lexington is certainly a preferable city to Lawrence, so I'd think it comes down to money.

[Tracer Bullet]

really? what big time program was he an assistant at? never worked anywhere bigger than Cincy you say?

 

Ok, was his CMU record similar to Meyer's BG record? Somewhat comparable? 10-12 in his first 2 seasons. A bowl game in his 3rd season. No quite 17-6 in 2 years (and was CMU as pathetic as Bowling Green?). He's done well at Cincy, though he followed Mark Dantonio. But not quite Meyer's 20-2 in 2 seasons at Utah.

 

He's got more experience as a HC at a younger age though in much, much lower competition. His path to BCS level coaching is nothing like Meyer's. Why are they the same?

 

 

Urban Meyer didn't become a "hot name" for coaching AFTER he got to Utah, even with the success at Bowling Green. In fact Brian Kelly has had a longer track of success as a HC then Urban Meyer despite the level of competition. He went 118-35-2 at Grand Valley State with two national titles and five conference titles. Then at Central Michigan his teams in the three years there went 4-7 to 9-4, and currently he is 26-8 at Cincinnati. Urban Meyer had only been a head coach for four years before he got the UF, whereas Kelly had been a HC for over a decade before getting the Cincy job. Not to mention it hasn't hampered Jim Tressel going from Youngston State to Ohio State, so why do you think Kelly can't handle going from Cincinnati to Notre Dame?

 

 

A fine coach is a fine coach, regardless of competition. Bob Davie was an assistant at Notre Dame before got to be a HC, that hasn't worked out. So this belief that because Kelly doesn't have the assisant coach resume like Meyer he can't and shouldn't be compared to Urban Meyer is ridiculous. Notre Dame would be wise to hire Brian Kelly if they have the opportunity.

 

Are you reading the thread at all or just picking random posts to respond to? I didn't say Kelly was a bad coach nor did I say he necessarily couldn't handle the transition from Cincy to ND. But Raisin suggested Kelly now is akin to Meyer in '04. I just don't see the comparison, save what each did at their last stop (Kelly at Cincy and Meyer at Utah). They were both successful head coaches at schools that weren't traditional football schools (we'll see how Cincy's season plays out, but Meyers' 20-2 record at Utah is more impressive to me than Kelly's 3 years at Cincy, following a pretty solid head coach).

 

As you actually point out, they took very different routes to where they were. That was my only point. I don't see anything about Kelly's history that really reminds me of Meyer in '04. Kelly may end up being a great coach at a big time program, but I don't think it's because he's just like Meyer was in '04.

[snoodmonger]

and Lexington is certainly a preferable city to Lawrence, so I'd think it comes down to money.

 

Dunno about that. Lawrence is usually voted one of the top college towns in the country, and it's only 45 minutes away from a major metro area. Lexington might be nicer, but it's probably not head and shoulders above Lawrence unless you're into certain things like hiking.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Mangino officially out at Kansas.

[Derwood]

Mangino officially out at Kansas.

 

he may be leaving, but it'll be awhile before he's out

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

because he's fat

[kujay]

I'm leary of all this Harbaugh talk. I just don't think he would leave Stanford for KU, though from what I hear they could offer him a big raise.

[Guest]

I'm leary of all this Harbaugh talk. I just don't think he would leave Stanford for KU, though from what I hear they could offer him a big raise.

 

I'll be floored if he leaves for anywhere besides Michigan. The guy grew up in Palo Alto.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I'm leary of all this Harbaugh talk. I just don't think he would leave Stanford for KU, though from what I hear they could offer him a big raise.

 

I'll be floored if he leaves for anywhere besides Michigan. The guy grew up in Palo Alto.

 

Leaving Northern CA, and coaching in a state rich in HS football talent vs. coaching football in Kansas? Seriously, is there any decision to be made here?

 

Is Kansas really a better job than Stanford? I think that's highly debatable.

[Guest]

I'm leary of all this Harbaugh talk. I just don't think he would leave Stanford for KU, though from what I hear they could offer him a big raise.

 

I'll be floored if he leaves for anywhere besides Michigan. The guy grew up in Palo Alto.

Harbaugh won't be going to Michigan. He burned that bridge.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if he's NDs next coach though.

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm leary of all this Harbaugh talk. I just don't think he would leave Stanford for KU, though from what I hear they could offer him a big raise.

 

I'll be floored if he leaves for anywhere besides Michigan. The guy grew up in Palo Alto.

Harbaugh won't be going to Michigan. He burned that bridge.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if he's NDs next coach though.

 

fitting

[snoodmonger]

I'm leary of all this Harbaugh talk. I just don't think he would leave Stanford for KU, though from what I hear they could offer him a big raise.

 

I'll be floored if he leaves for anywhere besides Michigan. The guy grew up in Palo Alto.

 

Leaving Northern CA, and coaching in a state rich in HS football talent vs. coaching football in Kansas? Seriously, is there any decision to be made here?

 

Is Kansas really a better job than Stanford? I think that's highly debatable.

 

Stanford is the better gig. He makes peanuts there, but does a 10+ year NFL QB really need money? Palo Alto is 10x nicer than than anywhere in KS, and the talent there is way better. From a HS talent standpoint, Kansas is probably bottom 10 in the states.

 

His wife is from KC, though. And if money is a concern, KU will blow Stanford away, which I think is notoriously stingy. KU also probably has much nicer facilities (aside from our stadium, which is lame.)

 

I'd be shocked if he left. I think we'll end up with Sumlin, Skip Holtz, or Gill.

[Andy]

I don't think Gill gets hired anywhere this year. Buffalo sucked in 09 so the shine is off him a bit right now.

[snoodmonger]

I don't think Gill gets hired anywhere this year. Buffalo sucked in 09 so the shine is off him a bit right now.

 

 

Perhaps, but Buffalo is also one of the worst coaching jobs out there. Since 1990, that program has won 5 games in a season 4 times. And three of them were while Gill was there. I think people believe that if were put in a better situation, he'd do even better. He's supposedly a great recruiter. And he knows the Big 12 landscape and Texas in particular, which is huge for a program like Kansas, which gets the majority of its players from TX and OK.

 

He wouldn't be my first choice, but I'm not sure if I'd write him off because he wasn't killing it at Buffalo.

 

 

1990 Sam Sanders 2-8

1991 Sam Sanders 3-7

1992 Jim Ward 4-6

1993 Jim Ward 1-10

1994 Jim Ward 3-8

1995 Craig Cirbus 3-8

1996 Craig Cirbus 8-3

1997 Craig Cirbus 2-9

1998 Craig Cirbus 4-7

1999 Craig Cirbus 0-11

2000 Craig Cirbus 2-9

2001 Jim Hofher 3-8

2002 Jim Hofher 1-11

2003 Jim Hofher 1-11

2004 Jim Hofher 2-9

2005 Jim Hofher 1-10

2006 Turner Gill 2-10

2007 Turner Gill 5-7

2008 Turner Gill 8-6

2009 Turner Gill 5-7

[Guest]

Get Gill out of Buffalo and he'd flourish. Al Golden is another guy I really like though he blew up this year for Temple.

[dew1679666265]

Get Gill out of Buffalo and he'd flourish. Al Golden is another guy I really like though he blew up this year for Temple.

 

Yeah, a 5-7 season at Buffalo is actually an accomplishment. Gill should be very high on most teams' list. As should Golden.

[Jon]

If they have a donor that will give Harbaugh two private bathrooms, he just might go. Of course, he'll want to leave in two years.

 

He's also a douche.

[Guest]

I think Jon is smitten with Harbaugh.

[Jon]

I think Jon is smitten with Harbaugh.

That reminds me that I need to go find that autograph I got from him on a napkin while at one of those ballpit places when I was a kid so I can set fire to it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Stanford is the better gig. He makes peanuts there, but does a 10+ year NFL QB really need money? Palo Alto is 10x nicer than than anywhere in KS, and the talent there is way better.

 

I'm sure he doesn't need it in the "feed the family" sense, but he played QB in the 80's and 90's, not in the $10m/year era we're in now. I'm sure he made a good amount, but I'm sure Matt Leinart made as much or more. You figure half that salary went to taxes and agents, a good amount went to living it up as a pro athlete in his 20's, and like most young rich guys he must have had a bad investment or three. I'm sure he's fine, but he's not in generational wealth mode either. Northern California blows Kansas away, but it's also a billion times more expensive to live there. If there's a huge gap, you'd have to consider it. And while Stanford is good right now, it's been good before and disappeared. This may be his best chance to climb the coaching ladder. You'd have to at least consider it.

[Andy]

I think Jon is smitten with Harbaugh.

That reminds me that I need to go find that autograph I got from him on a napkin while at one of those ballpit places when I was a kid so I can set fire to it.

I may need some background info on Jon's hatred of Harbaugh.

[Guest]

Honestly, I imagine Harbaugh is biding his time and waiting for the NFL. With Shanahan, Cowher, etc., this offseason might not be the one to bolt to the NFL. Even though he's a Bay area guy, he's not going to stay at Stanford long. They're not going to knock off their academic standards like Cal did when Tedford got to Berkeley...what's the point of not using Stanford as a springboard?

[WreckingMachine]

As said, Harbaugh will wait 1-2 years to get an NFL HC job.

 

Damn good coach, also a huge douche of a person.

[Jon]

-He's an arrogant douche

-Only sees college football as a stepping stone

-Instead of focusing on his own program, he tries to just tear everyone else down

-His negative recruiting tactics

-He employs a recruiting strategy that isn't at all fair to the kids who receive offers from them and doesn't establish relationships and then fails to develop their talent.

-He's an arrogant douche

-He accepted a generous gift from a donor to pay for a private bathroom at the same time Stanford was cutting athletic programs and saw nothing wrong with it.

-And now the anti-gay slur

[kujay]

-He's an arrogant douche

-Only sees college football as a stepping stone

-Instead of focusing on his own program, he tries to just tear everyone else down

-His negative recruiting tactics

-He employs a recruiting strategy that isn't at all fair to the kids who receive offers from them and doesn't establish relationships and then fails to develop their talent.

-He's an arrogant douche

-He accepted a generous gift from a donor to pay for a private bathroom at the same time Stanford was cutting athletic programs and saw nothing wrong with it.

-And now the anti-gay slur

 

Not gonna lie, I care about none of that right now.