Notre Dame Fires Weis, Hires Brian Kelly

[Derwood]

It's a product of the 12 month recruiting cycle that CFB has evolved into. A simple solution would be for the NCAA to implement a hiring/recruiting freeze from the end of the regular season to the end of the bowl season, but that would make too much sense.

 

This still wouldn't keep current players from deciding to transfer/leave early or current recruits from de-committing during that time. I imagine that's a big part of what Kelly will be dealing with immediately.

 

True, and this isn't simply an ND related issue; Cincinnati needs to get a new coach in to try to retain the Bearcat recruits who might now be bailing out with Kelly leaving.

 

That said, a recruiting/hiring freeze would allow everything to play out before kids started having to make decisions. The rush to get high schoolers into spring/summer practice has trumped all.

[soapy]

It's a product of the 12 month recruiting cycle that CFB has evolved into. A simple solution would be for the NCAA to implement a hiring/recruiting freeze from the end of the regular season to the end of the bowl season, but that would make too much sense.

 

This still wouldn't keep current players from deciding to transfer/leave early or current recruits from de-committing during that time. I imagine that's a big part of what Kelly will be dealing with immediately.

 

True, and this isn't simply an ND related issue; Cincinnati needs to get a new coach in to try to retain the Bearcat recruits who might now be bailing out with Kelly leaving.

 

True, but at least the Cincinnati players are focused on their bowl game and likely won't get to mixed up in what they're doing next year until after the game. Can't say the same for the recruits though.

[abuck1220]

another reason the bowl system/bcs sucks.

 

How so?

 

for one, the absolutely pointless 6 week or whatever gap between a team's last game and its bowl means the bowls are played in january, meaning a team that has fired its coach cannot wait until after bowl season to hire its coach, meaning teams playing in bowl games are likely to have their coach poached.

 

secondly, it just goes to show how meaningless every bowl outside the championship is if a guy is willing to walk away from a chance at an undefeated season at the sugar bowl to take another job. he wouldn't walk away from cincy if his team was involved in a playoff with a shot to win a nat'l title.

 

Yes, being able to get milllions of dollars somewhere else equates to meaningless.

 

There's a handful of coaching changes where this becomes a factor every year, it's really not a big deal, and how would this change at all if there was a playoff? The last games of the year are going to be played in January regardless, and regular seasons are going to end in the beginning of December, regardless.

 

if there was a playoff, kelly wouldn't have left.

[Derwood]

or he wouldn't have committed to leaving until after being eliminated from the playoffs. It would just have delayed his departure

[shnsajax]

or he wouldn't have committed to leaving until after being eliminated from the playoffs. It would just have delayed his departure

 

That would be fine though.

[SouthSideRyan]

or he wouldn't have committed to leaving until after being eliminated from the playoffs. It would just have delayed his departure

 

That would be fine though.

 

Would you want a coach on his way to another program(in the same recruiting grounds) out "recruiting" for you for 6 weeks?

[Tracer Bullet]

In a great shocker, Brian Kelly would not confirm to Chris Fowler during the ESPNU College Football Awards show that he was, in fact, going to ND.

 

Just thought I'd pass that along.

 

The news here said he would not coach the Sugar Bowl, i'm not a fan of that but goes along with a hire in this time of the month.

 

Yeah, I'd say ND was pretty insistent that whoever they hire come aboard immediately.

 

It's unfortunate for Cincy, to say the least, but it's an absolute necessity. You simply can't go 6 weeks in December and January without a coach and hope to retain any of your recruits. He needs to spend that time getting his staff together and then visiting as many of those wavering recruits (whether currently committed or not) as he possibly can.

 

Have both Clausen and Tate hired agents, I guess I am asking are they gone for sure or could Kelly still talk them into staying?

 

haven't heard anything, but neither is coming back. Clausen will be a top 5 pick and Tate was recognized as the best WR in the country. They're gone.

[Tracer Bullet]

another reason the bowl system/bcs sucks.

 

How so?

 

for one, the absolutely pointless 6 week or whatever gap between a team's last game and its bowl means the bowls are played in january, meaning a team that has fired its coach cannot wait until after bowl season to hire its coach, meaning teams playing in bowl games are likely to have their coach poached.

 

secondly, it just goes to show how meaningless every bowl outside the championship is if a guy is willing to walk away from a chance at an undefeated season at the sugar bowl to take another job. he wouldn't walk away from cincy if his team was involved in a playoff with a shot to win a nat'l title.

 

Yes, being able to get milllions of dollars somewhere else equates to meaningless.

 

There's a handful of coaching changes where this becomes a factor every year, it's really not a big deal, and how would this change at all if there was a playoff? The last games of the year are going to be played in January regardless, and regular seasons are going to end in the beginning of December, regardless.

 

if there was a playoff, kelly wouldn't have left.

 

I don't know how you can say that. In fact, I'd say the exact opposite with the same level of conviction. This was Kelly's dream job before the position was even open this year. There was no way ND was waiting until January to get a coach locked in. And Kelly would have recognized that his chance of being HC at ND was more important than his very low chance of getting through a playoff to win the whole thing. Cincy would not likely come through even an 8-team playoff undefeated.

[dew1679666265]

I don't know how you can say that. In fact, I'd say the exact opposite with the same level of conviction. This was Kelly's dream job before the position was even open this year. There was no way ND was waiting until January to get a coach locked in. And Kelly would have recognized that his chance of being HC at ND was more important than his very low chance of getting through a playoff to win the whole thing. Cincy would not likely come through even an 8-team playoff undefeated.

 

I don't know that you can say either with conviction and be accurate. You do see assistant coaches at programs oftentimes coaching in their bowl game even after accepting a job elsewhere. Charlie Strong, for example, will still coach Florida's defense despite being the head coach at Louisville now.

 

It all depends on the coach and the school hiring the coach. Some are fine with the coach staying for the bowl game, but some want the coach to leave immediately. With a playoff, however, the likelihood - I think - is higher that more coaches stay for the duration of their team's stay in the playoff. The lure of a national title, I think, will cause more coaches to want to finish the job.

[dew1679666265]

or he wouldn't have committed to leaving until after being eliminated from the playoffs. It would just have delayed his departure

 

That would be fine though.

 

Would you want a coach on his way to another program(in the same recruiting grounds) out "recruiting" for you for 6 weeks?

 

If a program didn't want that coach around, they could let him go ahead and go.

[SouthSideRyan]

or he wouldn't have committed to leaving until after being eliminated from the playoffs. It would just have delayed his departure

 

That would be fine though.

 

Would you want a coach on his way to another program(in the same recruiting grounds) out "recruiting" for you for 6 weeks?

 

If a program didn't want that coach around, they could let him go ahead and go.

 

It's the one thing I'll ever give credit to Michigan, dumping Frieder after he said he was on his way out.

[dew1679666265]

or he wouldn't have committed to leaving until after being eliminated from the playoffs. It would just have delayed his departure

 

That would be fine though.

 

Would you want a coach on his way to another program(in the same recruiting grounds) out "recruiting" for you for 6 weeks?

 

If a program didn't want that coach around, they could let him go ahead and go.

 

It's the one thing I'll ever give credit to Michigan, dumping Frieder after he said he was on his way out.

 

Some coaches will stay and genuinely recruit for the school. Sometimes, though, it's better for a coach to go ahead and go to the school hiring him.

[abuck1220]

 

I don't know how you can say that. In fact, I'd say the exact opposite with the same level of conviction. This was Kelly's dream job before the position was even open this year. There was no way ND was waiting until January to get a coach locked in. And Kelly would have recognized that his chance of being HC at ND was more important than his very low chance of getting through a playoff to win the whole thing. Cincy would not likely come through even an 8-team playoff undefeated.

 

lol, notre dame is EVERYBODY'S dream job.

 

you're telling me a coach in a hypothetical four team playoff would bail to take a job at a team coming off three seasons of combined under .500 football? he would walk away from a 1 in 4 (or whatever) chance to win a NATIONAL TITLE to go to a school that has won like one national title in the last 30 years? give me a break.

[Tracer Bullet]

 

I don't know how you can say that. In fact, I'd say the exact opposite with the same level of conviction. This was Kelly's dream job before the position was even open this year. There was no way ND was waiting until January to get a coach locked in. And Kelly would have recognized that his chance of being HC at ND was more important than his very low chance of getting through a playoff to win the whole thing. Cincy would not likely come through even an 8-team playoff undefeated.

 

lol, notre dame is EVERYBODY'S dream job.

 

you're telling me a coach in a hypothetical four team playoff would bail to take a job at a team coming off three seasons of combined under .500 football? he would walk away from a 1 in 4 (or whatever) chance to win a NATIONAL TITLE to go to a school that has won like one national title in the last 30 years? give me a break.

 

don't give me that BS. Kelly made it pretty well known that he's wanted the ND job for years. And if it came down to being 1 of 8 teams (and likely no better than the 3rd or 4th best team in the country) entering the playoff or missing your chance to coach at the school you always wanted to coach, I don't think he'd be all that likely to stay. Besides, saying Cincy would have a 1 in 4 chance of winning a title in an 8-team playoff this year is a bit generous.

[dew1679666265]

don't give me that BS. Kelly made it pretty well known that he's wanted the ND job for years. And if it came down to being 1 of 8 teams (and likely no better than the 3rd or 4th best team in the country) entering the playoff or missing your chance to coach at the school you always wanted to coach, I don't think he'd be all that likely to stay. Besides, saying Cincy would have a 1 in 4 chance of winning a title in an 8-team playoff this year is a bit generous.

 

Really though, if ND decided that Brian Kelly was the best man for the job, not having him for an extra 2-3 weeks really shouldn't have been the deciding factor in not hiring him.

 

I understand them really wanting him there as soon as possible, but to go to a "second best" candidate over less than a month is a very short-term type of decision making that shouldn't be done when hiring a coach.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I don't know how you can say that. In fact, I'd say the exact opposite with the same level of conviction. This was Kelly's dream job before the position was even open this year. There was no way ND was waiting until January to get a coach locked in. And Kelly would have recognized that his chance of being HC at ND was more important than his very low chance of getting through a playoff to win the whole thing. Cincy would not likely come through even an 8-team playoff undefeated.

 

lol, notre dame is EVERYBODY'S dream job.

 

you're telling me a coach in a hypothetical four team playoff would bail to take a job at a team coming off three seasons of combined under .500 football? he would walk away from a 1 in 4 (or whatever) chance to win a NATIONAL TITLE to go to a school that has won like one national title in the last 30 years? give me a break.

 

don't give me that BS. Kelly made it pretty well known that he's wanted the ND job for years. And if it came down to being 1 of 8 teams (and likely no better than the 3rd or 4th best team in the country) entering the playoff or missing your chance to coach at the school you always wanted to coach, I don't think he'd be all that likely to stay. Besides, saying Cincy would have a 1 in 4 chance of winning a title in an 8-team playoff this year is a bit generous.

 

Even if a guy would pass on what is clearly the bigger/better job, the rare case in which somebody would actually stay through the "playoff season" doesn't come close to justifying it's place as part of the reason why the BCS is better.

 

It has nothing to do with it. December will always be coaching turnover season, regardless of BCS or playoffs.

[Soul]

It's a product of the 12 month recruiting cycle that CFB has evolved into. A simple solution would be for the NCAA to implement a hiring/recruiting freeze from the end of the regular season to the end of the bowl season, but that would make too much sense.

 

This still wouldn't keep current players from deciding to transfer/leave early or current recruits from de-committing during that time. I imagine that's a big part of what Kelly will be dealing with immediately.

 

True, and this isn't simply an ND related issue; Cincinnati needs to get a new coach in to try to retain the Bearcat recruits who might now be bailing out with Kelly leaving.

 

True, but at least the Cincinnati players are focused on their bowl game and likely won't get to mixed up in what they're doing next year until after the game. Can't say the same for the recruits though.

 

You could just freeze all those other possible activities too. No hirings, no transfers, no nothing until the bowl season is over. No visits, no contact, nada.

 

...but I'd much rather just institute a playoff system that starts earlier and ends around the same time.

[Andy]

Well, after watching the press conference, I'm more on board than I was before. Very savvy, smart, self-effacing guy. Confident but not Weis-ian. And committed to player development. Couldn't have been more pleased with his response to his impressions of the team he's inheriting: "Does it matter?"

[UMFan83]

 

That would be fine though.

 

Would you want a coach on his way to another program(in the same recruiting grounds) out "recruiting" for you for 6 weeks?

 

If a program didn't want that coach around, they could let him go ahead and go.

 

It's the one thing I'll ever give credit to Michigan, dumping Frieder after he said he was on his way out.

 

Some coaches will stay and genuinely recruit for the school. Sometimes, though, it's better for a coach to go ahead and go to the school hiring him.

 

Yeah but come on. What recruit is going to seriously listen to someone talk up a school that that person chose to leave just a few weeks prior? That's nice of that coach to stay and give an honest effort, but he's just a lame duck coach, and one that volunteered to leave for "greener pastures" at that.

[dew1679666265]

Yeah but come on. What recruit is going to seriously listen to someone talk up a school that that person chose to leave just a few weeks prior? That's nice of that coach to stay and give an honest effort, but he's just a lame duck coach, and one that volunteered to leave for "greener pastures" at that.

 

Fulmer stayed on at UT as a lame duck coach from early November on. He and his staff still recruited and kept most of the committed players. It can work, it's just a bit of an odd situation.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah but come on. What recruit is going to seriously listen to someone talk up a school that that person chose to leave just a few weeks prior? That's nice of that coach to stay and give an honest effort, but he's just a lame duck coach, and one that volunteered to leave for "greener pastures" at that.

 

Fulmer stayed on at UT as a lame duck coach from early November on. He and his staff still recruited and kept most of the committed players. It can work, it's just a bit of an odd situation.

 

Fulmer wasn't leaving to take a better job.

[dew1679666265]

Yeah but come on. What recruit is going to seriously listen to someone talk up a school that that person chose to leave just a few weeks prior? That's nice of that coach to stay and give an honest effort, but he's just a lame duck coach, and one that volunteered to leave for "greener pastures" at that.

 

Fulmer stayed on at UT as a lame duck coach from early November on. He and his staff still recruited and kept most of the committed players. It can work, it's just a bit of an odd situation.

 

Fulmer wasn't leaving to take a better job.

 

He still wasn't going to be the coach the next season. Just because Kelly decided to leave for a better job doesn't mean Cincy isn't a bad place to play and he can still extohl the virtues of the school. Most of the kids he's recruiting at Cincy aren't being recruited by bigger schools anyway.

[NCCubFan]

If a program didn't want that coach around, they could let him go ahead and go.

 

It's the one thing I'll ever give credit to Michigan, dumping Frieder after he said he was on his way out.

And then Frieder's replacement (Fisher) leads them to the national championship.

[Tracer Bullet]

Kelly's OL/OC and long-time assistant Jeff Quinn took the Buffalo job. And I think Kelly just told Verducci he wasn't coming back as OL. Hope that wasn't a mistake.

[Andy]

Kelly's OL/OC and long-time assistant Jeff Quinn took the Buffalo job. And I think Kelly just told Verducci he wasn't coming back as OL. Hope that wasn't a mistake.

The only holdover will be Tony Alford, the RB coach.