Milton Bradley Traded To Mariners For Carlos Silva

[jersey cubs fan]

 

And the OP said he had little to NO value, which isn't true. Sammy OPS'd .850, and I can show you a bunch of corner outfielders who don't OPS .850.

 

ok, now how many can you name who were making as much as sosa? a players trade value isn't determined on performance alone. in sosa's case, the main factor was his ridiculous salary.

 

Salary is meaningless when the trading team is the one paying it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Milton Bradley-OF-Cubs Dec. 9 - 11:42 am et

 

Carrie Muskat of MLB.com believes there is no "mystery team" for Milton Bradley and the Rays remain the most likely trade partner.

 

A few reports surfaced during Tuesday's Winter Meetings action claiming that a "mystery AL team" was nearing a trade for the disgruntled outfielder. Now we're back to square one, and time is ticking for the Cubs. They arrived in Indianapolis with a goal to deal Bradley and have pushed their offseason game plan aside in order to focus on getting a trade completed.

 

Screw this, Im going to go out on a very short limb and say we wind up with Pat Burrell by the end of the week and spend the rest of the offseason deciding what to do with him.

[Guest]

 

And the OP said he had little to NO value, which isn't true. Sammy OPS'd .850, and I can show you a bunch of corner outfielders who don't OPS .850.

 

ok, now how many can you name who were making as much as sosa? a players trade value isn't determined on performance alone. in sosa's case, the main factor was his ridiculous salary.

 

I hear ya. But, he had about the same value that Bradley has now. Bradley's attitude and contract make this trade pretty even par with Sosa's trade. Sosa didn't really have the attitude, but his skills were clearly declining. Both are valued enough that another team would take them if the Cubs are willing to pick up a significant portion of the salary, however.

[Hall7810]

Muskat just tweeted "it appears there is no mystery team" and TB is still the most likely trade partner.

[Guest]

Muskat just tweeted "it appears there is no mystery team" and TB is still the most likely trade partner.

 

Sounds like Hendry's had too many luncheons with Scott Boras.

[cubsfan26]

Hmm.. well I need more sources then Muskat saying there's no mystery team. Seems like she's just reading a report from Tampa paper that says Rays are still the favorite. Yesterday both Wittenmyer and Levine had sources tell them that they were talking to a mystery team, and were getting close to a deal. So if one of them change there tune, then I'll buy it. Edited December 9, 2009 by cubsfan26

[Sever82]

 

And the OP said he had little to NO value, which isn't true. Sammy OPS'd .850, and I can show you a bunch of corner outfielders who don't OPS .850.

 

ok, now how many can you name who were making as much as sosa? a players trade value isn't determined on performance alone. in sosa's case, the main factor was his ridiculous salary.

 

I hear ya. But, he had about the same value that Bradley has now. Bradley's attitude and contract make this trade pretty even par with Sosa's trade. Sosa didn't really have the attitude, but his skills were clearly declining. Both are valued enough that another team would take them if the Cubs are willing to pick up a significant portion of the salary, however.

 

How about a monster three team deal between the Angels, Cubs and Tigers.

 

Cubs Send Aramis + Bradley + Prospects (Maybe Cashner and Jay Jackson)

Angels Send Brandon Wood + Prospects

Tigers Send Miguel Cabrera

 

Cubs Gets Miguel Cabrera (Plays 3rd Base for a season or two until Vitters is ready)

Angels get Aramis Ramirez

Tigers get Bradley + Wood + Prospects + Money from Cubs

 

The deal would allow the Tigers to relieve themselves of the long term money to Cabrera, Cubs get a very young 3B/1B in Cabrera who they can fit in third til vitters is ready and then shift to 1st when he is. Angels get Aramis who they had done after before.

[davell]

Yep, this is going to be just like the Sosa offseason all over again.......

 

 

Hendry and Co are throwing out mystery teams and who knows what else to try to get ANYONE to jump the gun here. It is pitifully desperate on their part. And Hendry is probably hating the fact that once he actually gets someone to bite, he then has to go to Ricketts and tell him we're going to eat basically all or most of Bradley's contract. Being on thin ice to begin with, you know he's dreading this, once it happens......But, if Seattle denies a Bradley for Silva rumor, what exactly are our options(other than keeping him, which we should do, but won't). It wouldn't shock me to see teams waiting it out, to see when we DFA him. Everyone knows what kind of hole we've dug here, so why would anyone actually try to bail us out?

[haubrich91]

Screw it. Let's just keep Bradley.

[Guest]

Screw it. Let's just keep Bradley.

 

As much as I hate to say it (I never wanted the Cubs to trade Bradley in the first place), that ship has probably sailed. Milton Bradley can read newspapers, too.

 

If Hendry spends the entire winter meetings desperately trying to get anyone to take Bradley off his hands and he fails, I really don't see Bradley's attitude becoming an non issue in the Cubs clubhouse. You've basically expressed to the whole world how much you want someone gone and couldn't accomplish it. Instead of maybe sitting down and working our their issues in private, it has become a huge fiasco that only a Tiger Woods love triangle can outdo.

 

Heck, as sick as Bradley appears to be in the head, he might be sitting back and enjoying this dog and pony show.

[MADD_DOG_31]

 

And the OP said he had little to NO value, which isn't true. Sammy OPS'd .850, and I can show you a bunch of corner outfielders who don't OPS .850.

 

ok, now how many can you name who were making as much as sosa? a players trade value isn't determined on performance alone. in sosa's case, the main factor was his ridiculous salary.

 

I hear ya. But, he had about the same value that Bradley has now. Bradley's attitude and contract make this trade pretty even par with Sosa's trade. Sosa didn't really have the attitude, but his skills were clearly declining. Both are valued enough that another team would take them if the Cubs are willing to pick up a significant portion of the salary, however.

 

How about a monster three team deal between the Angels, Cubs and Tigers.

 

Cubs Send Aramis + Bradley + Prospects (Maybe Cashner and Jay Jackson)

Angels Send Brandon Wood + Prospects

Tigers Send Miguel Cabrera

 

Cubs Gets Miguel Cabrera (Plays 3rd Base for a season or two until Vitters is ready)

Angels get Aramis Ramirez

Tigers get Bradley + Wood + Prospects + Money from Cubs

 

The deal would allow the Tigers to relieve themselves of the long term money to Cabrera, Cubs get a very young 3B/1B in Cabrera who they can fit in third til vitters is ready and then shift to 1st when he is. Angels get Aramis who they had done after before.

 

NO

[Sever82]

 

And the OP said he had little to NO value, which isn't true. Sammy OPS'd .850, and I can show you a bunch of corner outfielders who don't OPS .850.

 

ok, now how many can you name who were making as much as sosa? a players trade value isn't determined on performance alone. in sosa's case, the main factor was his ridiculous salary.

 

I hear ya. But, he had about the same value that Bradley has now. Bradley's attitude and contract make this trade pretty even par with Sosa's trade. Sosa didn't really have the attitude, but his skills were clearly declining. Both are valued enough that another team would take them if the Cubs are willing to pick up a significant portion of the salary, however.

 

How about a monster three team deal between the Angels, Cubs and Tigers.

 

Cubs Send Aramis + Bradley + Prospects (Maybe Cashner and Jay Jackson)

Angels Send Brandon Wood + Prospects

Tigers Send Miguel Cabrera

 

Cubs Gets Miguel Cabrera (Plays 3rd Base for a season or two until Vitters is ready)

Angels get Aramis Ramirez

Tigers get Bradley + Wood + Prospects + Money from Cubs

 

The deal would allow the Tigers to relieve themselves of the long term money to Cabrera, Cubs get a very young 3B/1B in Cabrera who they can fit in third til vitters is ready and then shift to 1st when he is. Angels get Aramis who they had done after before.

 

NO

 

Why not, i'd trade Amaris, Cashner and Jay for Cabrera any day of the week. I dont have confidence at all that Aramis can stay healthy for a full season and plus he can opt out after next yr.

[CUBZ99]

Hendry couldn't get the old "surprise team" "deal going to happen soon" trick to work?

 

Unless the Cubs can get significant salary relief in a trade, Hendry might as well hang on to him at this point. As it stands, Hendry appears to have no leverage. I can't imagine Bradley's trade value is going to get any lower over the offseason.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

 

Why not, i'd trade Amaris, Cashner and Jay for Cabrera any day of the week. I dont have confidence at all that Aramis can stay healthy for a full season and plus he can opt out after next yr.

 

Seriously? You have got to be kidding. You propose trading Ramirez, Bradley, Cashner, and Jackson for Miguel Cabrera and you don't understand why that's a horrible deal?

[MADD_DOG_31]

.......

[Wheelimus]

Hendry couldn't get the old "surprise team" "deal going to happen soon" trick to work?

 

Unless the Cubs can get significant salary relief in a trade, Hendry might as well hang on to him at this point. As it stands, Hendry appears to have no leverage. I can't imagine Bradley's trade value is going to get any lower over the offseason.

 

I'd actually think the longer we hold onto him, the more his value would increase. If he were to bounce back during the first half of 2010, he might become an attractive option. Since half of his 2010 salary would be behind him and the Cubs would probably happily eat the other half to get a good prospect in return.

 

Not willing to wager on myself being right, but I don't think it's worse strategy than trying to trade him when his value is at an all time low.

[Guest]

 

And the OP said he had little to NO value, which isn't true. Sammy OPS'd .850, and I can show you a bunch of corner outfielders who don't OPS .850.

 

ok, now how many can you name who were making as much as sosa? a players trade value isn't determined on performance alone. in sosa's case, the main factor was his ridiculous salary.

 

I hear ya. But, he had about the same value that Bradley has now. Bradley's attitude and contract make this trade pretty even par with Sosa's trade. Sosa didn't really have the attitude, but his skills were clearly declining. Both are valued enough that another team would take them if the Cubs are willing to pick up a significant portion of the salary, however.

 

How about a monster three team deal between the Angels, Cubs and Tigers.

 

Cubs Send Aramis + Bradley + Prospects (Maybe Cashner and Jay Jackson)

Angels Send Brandon Wood + Prospects

Tigers Send Miguel Cabrera

 

Cubs Gets Miguel Cabrera (Plays 3rd Base for a season or two until Vitters is ready)

Angels get Aramis Ramirez

Tigers get Bradley + Wood + Prospects + Money from Cubs

 

The deal would allow the Tigers to relieve themselves of the long term money to Cabrera, Cubs get a very young 3B/1B in Cabrera who they can fit in third til vitters is ready and then shift to 1st when he is. Angels get Aramis who they had done after before.

 

It's tough to get too excited about trade proposals involving players with no trade clauses built into their contracts. In the case of your trade proposal, I don't quite understand why we trade Aramis AND prospects to take back someone who probably isn't capable of playing 3b anymore. While Cabrera is a better offensive player, the defense probably nullifies the value to almost even, and that's ignoring that the Cubs gave up prospects and cash in your proposal.

 

If I'm trying to improve the team, I'm not looking to move the best offensive player on the team. I'm looking to improve on the weaknesses of the team.

 

Whoops. I missed that the Cubs were sending Ramirez, Bradley, prospects and cash. That makes it even worse.

[Derwood]

waiting to hear what happens with Bradley is like sitting in the dentist's waiting room waiting to get your tooth drilled

[chasinf5s]

 

And the OP said he had little to NO value, which isn't true. Sammy OPS'd .850, and I can show you a bunch of corner outfielders who don't OPS .850.

 

ok, now how many can you name who were making as much as sosa? a players trade value isn't determined on performance alone. in sosa's case, the main factor was his ridiculous salary.

 

I hear ya. But, he had about the same value that Bradley has now. Bradley's attitude and contract make this trade pretty even par with Sosa's trade. Sosa didn't really have the attitude, but his skills were clearly declining. Both are valued enough that another team would take them if the Cubs are willing to pick up a significant portion of the salary, however.

 

How about a monster three team deal between the Angels, Cubs and Tigers.

 

Cubs Send Aramis + Bradley + Prospects (Maybe Cashner and Jay Jackson)

Angels Send Brandon Wood + Prospects

Tigers Send Miguel Cabrera

 

Cubs Gets Miguel Cabrera (Plays 3rd Base for a season or two until Vitters is ready)

Angels get Aramis Ramirez

Tigers get Bradley + Wood + Prospects + Money from Cubs

 

The deal would allow the Tigers to relieve themselves of the long term money to Cabrera, Cubs get a very young 3B/1B in Cabrera who they can fit in third til vitters is ready and then shift to 1st when he is. Angels get Aramis who they had done after before.

 

Do you sell the stuff you smoke on the street? you could make a ton of money.

[chasinf5s]

Muskat just tweeted "it appears there is no mystery team" and TB is still the most likely trade partner.

 

since when has Muskat been a reliable source of information?

[Sever82]

 

Why not, i'd trade Amaris, Cashner and Jay for Cabrera any day of the week. I dont have confidence at all that Aramis can stay healthy for a full season and plus he can opt out after next yr.

 

Seriously? You have got to be kidding. You propose trading Ramirez, Bradley, Cashner, and Jackson for Miguel Cabrera and you don't understand why that's a horrible deal?

 

Someone else responded by saying why would you trade your best offensive player but when's the last time Aramis has been fully healthy for a season? Eventhough Cabrera's defense at third would definitely be worse than Aramis, would it had been any worse than last year's D when Aramis was out and Fox was in? Again you're assuming Aramis will be healthy nex year. You'd have to include prospects like cashner or jackson in the deal because Aramis' value isn't that high because of the injuries. As much as i like Aramis, i feel he'll opt out after this season unless he has a season ending injury. There's no doubt Aramis is a good talent but he's also older and i'd rather trade him now than later when his injuries catch up to him or he stops producing.

 

As for Cashner and Jay Jackson, I'm still not convinced Cashner is as valuable as Castro or Vitters. I get the feeling that Cashner is a Samardizja type of pitcher.

[nick23]

waiting to hear what happens with Bradley is like sitting in the dentist's waiting room waiting to get your tooth drilled

Yep, you just know it's going to suck.

[17 Seconds]

 

And the OP said he had little to NO value, which isn't true. Sammy OPS'd .850, and I can show you a bunch of corner outfielders who don't OPS .850.

 

ok, now how many can you name who were making as much as sosa? a players trade value isn't determined on performance alone. in sosa's case, the main factor was his ridiculous salary.

 

Salary is meaningless when the trading team is the one paying it.

 

the orioles still paid plenty

[chasinf5s]

 

Why not, i'd trade Amaris, Cashner and Jay for Cabrera any day of the week. I dont have confidence at all that Aramis can stay healthy for a full season and plus he can opt out after next yr.

 

Seriously? You have got to be kidding. You propose trading Ramirez, Bradley, Cashner, and Jackson for Miguel Cabrera and you don't understand why that's a horrible deal?

 

Someone else responded by saying why would you trade your best offensive player but when's the last time Aramis has been fully healthy for a season? Eventhough Cabrera's defense at third would definitely be worse than Aramis, would it had been any worse than last year's D when Aramis was out and Fox was in? Again you're assuming Aramis will be healthy nex year. You'd have to include prospects like cashner or jackson in the deal because Aramis' value isn't that high because of the injuries. As much as i like Aramis, i feel he'll opt out after this season unless he has a season ending injury. There's no doubt Aramis is a good talent but he's also older and i'd rather trade him now than later when his injuries catch up to him or he stops producing.

 

As for Cashner and Jay Jackson, I'm still not convinced Cashner is as valuable as Castro or Vitters. I get the feeling that Cashner is a Samardizja type of pitcher.

 

I would much rather have a player who gets injured than a player who gets drunk and fights with his wife the final weekend of the season which was to determine if his team goes to the playoff's or not.

Edited December 9, 2009 by chasinf5s

[soapy]

Milton Bradley-OF-Cubs Dec. 9 - 11:42 am et

 

Carrie Muskat of MLB.com believes there is no "mystery team" for Milton Bradley and the Rays remain the most likely trade partner.

 

A few reports surfaced during Tuesday's Winter Meetings action claiming that a "mystery AL team" was nearing a trade for the disgruntled outfielder. Now we're back to square one, and time is ticking for the Cubs. They arrived in Indianapolis with a goal to deal Bradley and have pushed their offseason game plan aside in order to focus on getting a trade completed.

 

guh...