Milton Bradley Traded To Mariners For Carlos Silva

[Sammy Sofa]

It's almost like Hendry went looking for the worst player he could find who was making close to what Milton was making.

 

Yikes!

 

I'm guessing there wasn't really much interest in Bradley after all.

 

That's still not a sure thing.

 

I think what may be most telling in all this is how Ricketts stated that he set a strict limit as to how much of Bradley's contract the Cubs would be willing to pick up. We never found out what that limit was, but I suppose it was possible he told Hendry, "listen up, we're not paying ANYTHING to wipe up after your [expletive] up," or he came to that conclusion when it became clear that other teams expected the Cubs to pay too much of Bradley's contract to get anyone of value in return. It was painfully obvious to anyone with two brain cells that Hendry was backed into the corner by his own actions and statements. The reports of multiple teams being interested could easily have been true, but it's likely they were demanding that the Cubs pay most of the contract.

[Guancous]

Here's to Milton Bradley continue the trend of messing up a team's chemistry. I hate that the Cubs are saddled with Silva, but watching Bradley self-destruct and kill any kind of hope Seattle might have at being good next season will be fun to watch.

 

...

 

THE CUBS' BAD SEASON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CHEMISTRY.

 

Bad chemistry didn't take out Aramis for almost half a season, make Soriano and Soto terrible or turn 2nd base a nightmare of pain and suffering and despair until Jeff Baker showed up. Team chemistry had zilch to do with this team reguarly going out there with 3-5 offensive dead spots in the lineup.

 

Carlos Silva will not help rest the bullpen.

[Guancous]

I have a question for anyone trying to rationalize this move: Are the 2010 Cubs better without a starting outfielder and throwing Carlos Silva in the mix? I'll bite my tongue if the Cubs end up with a David DeJesus type. I'll be standing on a watchtower if Scott Podsednik is the Opening Day centerfielder.

[Post Count Padder]

I have a question for anyone trying to rationalize this move: Are the 2010 Cubs better without a starting outfielder and throwing Carlos Silva in the mix? I'll bite my tongue if the Cubs end up with a David DeJesus type. I'll be standing on a watchtower if Scott Podsednik is the Opening Day centerfielder.

We'd be too lucky to have David DeJesus.

[Mugged By Fluffy]

What are they even going to tell the guy(Silva) when he shows up in AZ on Feb 15, or whatever day it is that pitchers and catchers report? I can't imagine the conversation going well.

 

"Hey uh....Yeah, we are kinda stuck with you Carlos. We didn't really want you but our hands were tied and you were the only option for us. So uh...here's the ball. Go get 'em Tiger."

[Little Slide Rooter]

Aramis getting injured: not Miltons fault

Soto getting fat: Not Miltons fault

Soriano being hurt and bad: not Miltons fault

Lou and Jim putting too much stock in Mike Fontenot: not Miltons fault

The October 2008 Epic Fail which caused Lou and Jim to panic and revamp the best Cubs team any of us have ever seen: Not Miltons fault.

[MSG T]

What are they even going to tell the guy(Silva) when he shows up in AZ on Feb 15, or whatever day it is that pitchers and catchers report? I can't imagine the conversation going well.

 

"Hey uh....Yeah, we are kinda stuck with you Carlos. We didn't really want you but our hands were tied and you were the only option for us. So uh...here's the ball. Go get 'em Tiger."

 

 

Give us a reason to cut your lard ass...please. Oh and welcome to the team.

 

 

Why are the Cubs starting to remind me of the beginning of Major League?

 

'I thought you said we didn't have any high-priced talent, Charlie.'

 

'I forgot about Dorn cause he's only high-priced.'

[XZero771679666304]

Man, people need to calm down. Not because it isn't a terrible move, which it most certainly is, but because this was destined to happen from the moment Hendry suspended Milton. It didn't have to be Silva, but it wasn't going to be good, at all.

 

And the notion that there was any kind of chance that Bradley would be retained was always a false hope. Not because it isn't more sensical than the "we have to trade Bradley at all costs" silliness (which it clearly is), but because in situations like there was last year, the player is moved. That's just the way it goes. It is the reason Milton has been moved so many times; not because he needed to be, but because it is just what teams do with "problem" players. There is some sort of unwritten rule that "clubhouse cancers" need a "change of scenery" for the benefit of "team chemistry".

 

You could have hoped that Hendry would have known better, but the shock and indignation is a bit much. This was coming. The "OMFG I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BAD THIS IS, [expletive] [expletive] [expletive]!!" line is a bit theatrical. Yeah, it's really bad. But what indication did we have that anything otherwise was going to happen? That Hendry would buck trend and ignore the circus? None.

 

Now you can legitimately be angry about how it was handled, which was a clinic of ineptitude. The suspension was a spectacularly stupid move, and along with the overt desperation is why Carlos Silva is now a Cub and not an actually productive player. If Milton hadn't been suspended, if he hadn't been publicly vilified and his trade made a desperate necessity, we probably could have moved him easily, and for a much better return.

 

If nothing else, this has to be the nail in Hendry's coffin.

[CUBZ99]

Aramis getting injured: not Miltons fault

Soto getting fat: Not Miltons fault

Soriano being hurt and bad: not Miltons fault

Lou and Jim putting too much stock in Mike Fontenot: not Miltons fault

The October 2008 Epic Fail which caused Lou and Jim to panic and revamp the best Cubs team any of us have ever seen: Not Miltons fault.

 

I would have rather kept Bradley, but its easy to say that when I don't have to be on his team or see him every day for 3/4 of the year. According to Bruce's blog, the team gave Hendry a standing ovation when Bradley was suspended from the team and sent home last year at the end of the year. We know for a fact that Lou called him a piece of [expletive] and couldn't stand him. We know for a fact that he got into a heated confrontation with Von Joshua when the Cubs asked him to pinch hit during a game. And we know for a fact that his team disliked him. I think it is easy for us to sit here and say, "get over it" because we don't have to deal with him every day. The way it sounds, the whole team was miserable while he was on it. Now does that give them an excuse or make them a bunch of babies because they wanted him gone? Maybe. But once again, we don't have to deal with it. So it is real easy for us to complain.

 

I think the trade for Silva was terrible, and Hendry has no excuse for his ineptitude, but I think it is clear that Bradley wasn't going to come back.

[imb]

time to break out this bad boy again

 

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/madhops_42/cubsmag2.jpg

[CUBZ99]

Oh, and now it is time for Rothschild to use some of his pixie dust and turn Silva into a serviceable pitcher. We all know that a groundball pitcher can excel at Wrigley. :-))

[cubsfan26]

I have a question for anyone trying to rationalize this move: Are the 2010 Cubs better without a starting outfielder and throwing Carlos Silva in the mix? I'll bite my tongue if the Cubs end up with a David DeJesus type. I'll be standing on a watchtower if Scott Podsednik is the Opening Day centerfielder.

 

See thats the thing with this trade, it never was going to about the player we get in return. It was about getting rid of Milton and getting the most money back they can. The Cubs decided a while ago that there was no way they could deal with another year of Milton. Ricketts/Hendry thought they owed it to the fans, players, coaches and media to get rid of him. Yes us fans on message boards, rather keep Milton if it means doing something like this. But the Cubs have alot more fans out there that just want Milton gone at all cost.

 

 

 

So the way people gotta look at it is, we saved 6m and basically paid 15m for Milton to go away(almost like buying out a contract in the NBA). Any freaking out about Silva or whoever we would have gotten in return in pointless. Basically the Cubs will look at Silva in spring training, and make him earn a spot on the team. If he pitches like he did for the Twins a few years ago, it's only a bonus. But the fact that Hendry hasn't even guaranteed Silva a roster spot. Sounds basically like they are treating him like a guy who signed a minor league deal. If Silva is crap like he has been they will release him and eat the 15m or so. Silva actually has very to do with this trade, and is basically only involved to match salaries with little hope they get anything out of him. It sounds like the Cubs basically feel about Silva as they did about Luis Vizcanio a year ago. But for anybody who thinks this move makes Hendry job in trouble or anything like that is silly. If Ricketts was ok at all with Bradley coming back next year, this deal would have never happen. Sure Ricketts could be pissed at Hendry for the signing in the first place. But he's not any more pissed today at Hendry, then he ever was in the past. Like it always has been, Hendry future will depend on how the Cubs finsh this season. I'm sure the Cubs knew all along that they would have to eat 10-15m of Bradley salary. Silva is just basically a piece they will take a chance on, instead of eating all of the salary right away. If he's bad they will do what they always planned to do and eat the money.

[SouthSideRyan]

What are they even going to tell the guy(Silva) when he shows up in AZ on Feb 15, or whatever day it is that pitchers and catchers report? I can't imagine the conversation going well.

 

"Hey uh....Yeah, we are kinda stuck with you Carlos. We didn't really want you but our hands were tied and you were the only option for us. So uh...here's the ball. Go get 'em Tiger."

 

Hopefully the Cubs will be in Naples.

[RedFlash]

What are they even going to tell the guy(Silva) when he shows up in AZ on Feb 15, or whatever day it is that pitchers and catchers report? I can't imagine the conversation going well.

 

"Hey uh....Yeah, we are kinda stuck with you Carlos. We didn't really want you but our hands were tied and you were the only option for us. So uh...here's the ball. Go get 'em Tiger."

 

Hopefully the Cubs will be in Naples.

 

:-$ don't tell Silva that.

[Uber]

I hope Hendry called the police, because he got raped.

 

really?

[Sammy Sofa]

Here's to Milton Bradley continue the trend of messing up a team's chemistry. I hate that the Cubs are saddled with Silva, but watching Bradley self-destruct and kill any kind of hope Seattle might have at being good next season will be fun to watch.

 

...

 

THE CUBS' BAD SEASON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CHEMISTRY.

 

Bad chemistry didn't take out Aramis for almost half a season, make Soriano and Soto terrible or turn 2nd base a nightmare of pain and suffering and despair until Jeff Baker showed up. Team chemistry had zilch to do with this team reguarly going out there with 3-5 offensive dead spots in the lineup.

 

Carlos Silva will not help rest the bullpen.

 

They don't have to let him pitch.

[CliftonHanger]

why is anyone concerned about how many games bradley might or might not cost us by being a jerk when SILVA ABSOLUTELY SUCKS AND WILL COST US GAMES WITH HIS ACTUAL ON FIELD PLAY

 

 

Its not the games Milton would have cost us by being a jerk, it's the games he might have cost us by not playing to his full potential. I am in no way defending the move, or Milton, but you have to take into consideration the fact that he DID NOT want to play in Chicago. He made that abundantly clear.

[17 Seconds]

why is anyone concerned about how many games bradley might or might not cost us by being a jerk when SILVA ABSOLUTELY SUCKS AND WILL COST US GAMES WITH HIS ACTUAL ON FIELD PLAY

 

 

Its not the games Milton would have cost us by being a jerk, it's the games he might have cost us by not playing to his full potential. I am in no way defending the move, or Milton, but you have to take into consideration the fact that he DID NOT want to play in Chicago. He made that abundantly clear.

 

so you're saying you think milton dogged it and didn't try to hit?

[XZero771679666304]

why is anyone concerned about how many games bradley might or might not cost us by being a jerk when SILVA ABSOLUTELY SUCKS AND WILL COST US GAMES WITH HIS ACTUAL ON FIELD PLAY

 

 

Its not the games Milton would have cost us by being a jerk, it's the games he might have cost us by not playing to his full potential. I am in no way defending the move, or Milton, but you have to take into consideration the fact that he DID NOT want to play in Chicago. He made that abundantly clear.

 

so you're saying you think milton dogged it and didn't try to hit?

 

I don't know if he thinks that, but I don't. It is possible that Milton's issues (or perceived issues) with the team and the city could have gotten into his head. And though it may come as a shock to some, players are not automatons. Milton is one of those players I could see being affected on the the field by off the field crap.

 

Quite frankly, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if his slow start last year stemmed from some need to prove himself right away that caused him to press.

[Ski]

time to break out this bad boy again

 

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/madhops_42/cubsmag2.jpg

Wow, I laughed really hard.

[weis21]

First of all, this was a very bad trade (which occurred as a result of a bad contract offer in the first place). I'm not advocating this trade and I think/hope Bradley could have netted a greater gain than a few million over a couple years.

 

That being said, whether legitimate or not, I don't think it was anything more than a salary dump. Therefore, I think the "this team is by far worse with Silva than without" argument is useless. The guy sucks and I don't see Lou keeping him past ST when he inevitably sucks.

 

Keep in mind that last year Hendry dumped Marquis and his salary for Vizcaino who was shown the door after only a few appearances - despite his salary. Lou will be under an even greater pressure this year to win and I don't see him keeping a shitty pitcher around strictly because of his salary.

 

That said, as others have mentioned, when Hendry wastes the few extra million on another undeserving player, then this whole logic and reasoning will be moot.

[atcfootball]

My math is BAD so please let me know if I'm wrong on this.

2010

Bradley = 9M (We Pay All)

Silva = 11.5M (We Pay All)

From M's = 3M

= 17.5M

2011

Bradley = 12M (We Pay All)

Silva = 11.5M (We Pay All)

From M's = 6M

= 17.5M

2012

Silva =2M buyout (We Pay All)

 

So we are basically paying Silva 17.5M and 37M over 3 years (with buyout)?

 

OR IS THIS CORRECT?

2010

Bradley = 9M (M's Pay All)

Silva = 11.5M (We Pay All)

From M's = 3M

= Net Gain of .5M to trade Bradley?

2011

Bradley = 12M (M's Pay All)

Silva = 11.5M (We Pay All)

From M's = 6M

= Net Gain of 6.5M to trade Bradley?

2012

Silva = 2M buyout (We Pay All)

 

 

How will the numbers break down in this? If we are paying 17.5M over the next two years to trade Milton this has to be the worst trade ever... If we are gaining $ in this deal it's a great trade from my POV (point of view - Always wanted to use it on a normal board).. LOL

 

Can someone please show me the math on this trade for cash?

 

Thanks

[chuckywang]

Is there any reason to get excited over Carlos Silva? I just looked at his stats and they are freaking brutal.

[cubfan1955]

Yawn...so the Cubs finish 6th instead of 5th. At least Hendry should be out of nails to drive into the coffin now.

[A New Era]

We basically traded contracts. We don't pay all of Bradley AND Silva's contracts. From what I understand we save $6 mil over two years but now we are still paying Silva near $10 MILLION over the each next two years.