Re: 2009-10 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Andy]

I want a piece of Boston, bad. If the Bulls can beat any of their possible 1st round opponents, Boston would be it.

 

That being said, I'm 100 percent in favor of the trades today and if they make us miss the playoffs, so be it. I don't think they will, though.

Edited February 18, 2010 by Andy

[jersey cubs fan]

I agree. I realize they aren't going to even come close to winning the championship, but I don't care. Last year's playoff series with Boston was one of the most fun experiences I've ever had watching pro sports.

 

Then maybe you need to expand your sports watching, because that's pathetic. They lost in the first round against an aging team that lost in the 2nd round. All in all a mediocre result, at best.

[SpongeWorthy]

I don't think adding Wade alone makes us a champion. It would need to be Wade plus something, IMO.

 

 

I think so as well but, could that be another max FA? Wade and Bosh for example?

 

Unless Hinrich is dealt there's not gonna be room for 2 max FAs. There might not even be room if we do deal him.

 

Besides, we're looking at a bench of Alexander, Warrick, Pargo, Johnson, Flip "Ronald" Murray, and Acie Law. None of those guys are viable rotation players on a good team except maybe Warrick and most of them won't be back anyway. We're probably losing Miller too. If the Bulls are fortunate enough to get 1 stud they'll need to find a few solid rotation guys. The draft would be key.

[Soul]

I don't think adding Wade alone makes us a champion. It would need to be Wade plus something, IMO.

 

 

I think so as well but, could that be another max FA? Wade and Bosh for example?

 

My understanding is that they would really need to gut things out to get two max FA's under the cap next year. One guy on CBS sports wrote an article claiming it could happen. At this point I'm not really sure. I certainly don't know what will happen.

[SpongeWorthy]

I agree. I realize they aren't going to even come close to winning the championship, but I don't care. Last year's playoff series with Boston was one of the most fun experiences I've ever had watching pro sports.

 

Then maybe you need to expand your sports watching, because that's pathetic. They lost in the first round against an aging team that lost in the 2nd round. All in all a mediocre result, at best.

 

There's nothing pathetic about it.

 

I'll have more vivid images from that series 20 years from now than I will from anything the Bears did in the playoffs in 2006 save Hester's KO return.

[jersey cubs fan]

I agree. I realize they aren't going to even come close to winning the championship, but I don't care. Last year's playoff series with Boston was one of the most fun experiences I've ever had watching pro sports.

 

Then maybe you need to expand your sports watching, because that's pathetic. They lost in the first round against an aging team that lost in the 2nd round. All in all a mediocre result, at best.

 

There's nothing pathetic about it.

 

I'll have more vivid images from that series 20 years from now than I will from anything the Bears did in the playoffs in 2006 save Hester's KO return.

 

That's absolutely ridiculous. You aren't a Bears fan then if you will have more vivid images of a first round playoff loss to a fading team than of a top seeded Bears team going to the Super Bowl.

[apete6]

I don't think adding Wade alone makes us a champion. It would need to be Wade plus something, IMO.

 

 

I think so as well but, could that be another max FA? Wade and Bosh for example?

 

Unless Hinrich is dealt there's not gonna be room for 2 max FAs. There might not even be room if we do deal him.

 

Besides, we're looking at a bench of Alexander, Warrick, Pargo, Johnson, Flip "Ronald" Murray, and Acie Law. None of those guys are viable rotation players on a good team except maybe Warrick and most of them won't be back anyway. We're probably losing Miller too. If the Bulls are fortunate enough to get 1 stud they'll need to find a few solid rotation guys. The draft would be key.

 

So next year's Bulls will hopefully look something like this:

 

Starters: Rose, Joe Johnson, Deng, Bosh, Noah

Bench: Hinrich, Gibson, James Johnson, 4-7 rookies/bad players

 

Only possible if Joe Johnson takes less than a max contract, but not that much less.

The 4-7 extra guys will have to include a SG, a SF, a C, and 1-4 multi position guys. That's an extremely strong top 7 though.

[SpongeWorthy]

I agree. I realize they aren't going to even come close to winning the championship, but I don't care. Last year's playoff series with Boston was one of the most fun experiences I've ever had watching pro sports.

 

Then maybe you need to expand your sports watching, because that's pathetic. They lost in the first round against an aging team that lost in the 2nd round. All in all a mediocre result, at best.

 

There's nothing pathetic about it.

 

I'll have more vivid images from that series 20 years from now than I will from anything the Bears did in the playoffs in 2006 save Hester's KO return.

 

That's absolutely ridiculous. You aren't a Bears fan then if you will have more vivid images of a first round playoff loss to a fading team than of a top seeded Bears team going to the Super Bowl.

 

Oh ok I'm not a Bears fan. Glad we got that straightend out.

 

Honestly, my most vivid memories from the Bears the last decade weren't from the 2006 playoffs. They were the Monday Night game against Arizona and the back to back weeks Brown took pick 6s to the house in overtime in 01. Sometimes the magnitude of the game isn't everything.

[Keener98]

I want a piece of Boston, bad. If the Bulls can beat any of their possible 1st round opponents, Boston would be it.

 

That being said, I'm 100 percent in favor of the trades today and if they make us miss the playoffs, so be it. I don't think they will, though.

 

THIS! To get a future 1st round pick out of Tyrus freaking Thomas is a steal! He was gone at the end of the year anyway. The pick isn't this year(which is a good thing regarding salary cap), and the Bobcats are no sure thing to be a playoff team next year. We could have our pick next year, along with a possible top 15 pick from the Bobcats to use to move up in the draft if we miss out on all the free agents. Its a great deal.

 

Oh and losing Salmons and Tyrus does NOTHING to our playoff chances this year.

[Soul]

Really? There were 2 fantastic playoff victories from the Bears that season. Those don't mean much to you?

 

Can't go with you there.

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

 

So next year's Bulls will hopefully look something like this:

 

Starters: Rose, Joe Johnson, Deng, Bosh, Noah

Bench: Hinrich, Gibson, James Johnson, 4-7 rookies/bad players

 

Only possible if Joe Johnson takes less than a max contract, but not that much less.

The 4-7 extra guys will have to include a SG, a SF, a C, and 1-4 multi position guys. That's an extremely strong top 7 though.

 

When did Joe Johnson become a max contract player? He's obviously an effective player and would look great next to Rose, but is the consensus - or market, I suppose - already set that he's a max guy?

[Old Style]

The Tyrus deal is a great one for the Bulls, IMO. I am biased, but I love Acie Law. He hasn't done much in the NBA yet, but I don't think he's gotten a fair chance yet. I think he can be a legitimate backup to Rose if given the opportunity. Plus the first round pick from Charlotte alone makes it a good deal.

[UMFan83]

Apparently, the Bucks also have the rights to swap 1st round picks with the Bulls this season (top 10 protected). So if the Bulls don't make the playoffs and don't finish in the top 3 in the lottery, we are not going to get a draft pick to reflect that.

 

They are also saying that the Bobcats pick might not be until 2014.

[David]

Really? There were 2 fantastic playoff victories from the Bears that season. Those don't mean much to you?

 

Can't go with you there.

 

 

The first playoff victory wasn't all that fantastic. It was an escape and it was a pretty ugly game outside of the fact that we won.

 

 

That said, that whole season was awesome. I have tons of great memories of the regular season and of the Saints game.

[SpongeWorthy]

Really? There were 2 fantastic playoff victories from the Bears that season. Those don't mean much to you?

 

Can't go with you there.

 

I don't think anyone outside of Chicago would've called the NFC championship game a classic. It wasn't that competitive save for a stretch in the 3rd quarter and Rex was pretty awful.

 

I'm probably short changing the Seattle game a bit. That was a good one. But the games I was talking about were utter insanity. The MNF game is still one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen in sports.

 

Edit: Coming back to win from a 20 point half time deficit without scoring an offensive touchdown plus Denny's classic meltdown. For a regular season game, it had it all.

Edited February 18, 2010 by SpongeWorthy

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I don't think adding Wade alone makes us a champion. It would need to be Wade plus something, IMO.

 

 

I think so as well but, could that be another max FA? Wade and Bosh for example?

 

Unless Hinrich is dealt there's not gonna be room for 2 max FAs. There might not even be room if we do deal him.

 

Besides, we're looking at a bench of Alexander, Warrick, Pargo, Johnson, Flip "Ronald" Murray, and Acie Law. None of those guys are viable rotation players on a good team except maybe Warrick and most of them won't be back anyway. We're probably losing Miller too. If the Bulls are fortunate enough to get 1 stud they'll need to find a few solid rotation guys. The draft would be key.

 

So next year's Bulls will hopefully look something like this:

 

Starters: Rose, Joe Johnson, Deng, Bosh, Noah

Bench: Hinrich, Gibson, James Johnson, 4-7 rookies/bad players

 

Only possible if Joe Johnson takes less than a max contract, but not that much less.

The 4-7 extra guys will have to include a SG, a SF, a C, and 1-4 multi position guys. That's an extremely strong top 7 though.

 

 

I'd be surprised if the Bulls could get Johnson for less than the max. He turned down a 4-year $60 million deal from Atlanta, so it sounds like he is looking for the max. In any case, I don't think the Bulls could afford both Johnson and Bosh without a sign and trade. From what I read, the Salmons trade gives them $20 million in cap space, which is not enough to sign both.

[David]

Really? There were 2 fantastic playoff victories from the Bears that season. Those don't mean much to you?

 

Can't go with you there.

 

I don't think anyone outside of Chicago would've called the NFC championship game a classic. It wasn't that competitive save for a stretch in the 3rd quarter and Rex was pretty awful.

 

I'm probably short changing the Seattle game a bit. That was a good one. But the games I was talking about were utter insanity. The MNF game is still one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen in sports.

 

Edit: Coming back to win from a 20 point half time deficit without scoring an offensive touchdown plus Denny's classic meltdown. For a regular season game, it had it all.

 

 

Blowouts in my team's favor > winning close ones

 

 

But yea, the MNF game was obviously one of the most incredible games of all time...I remember so much of that game and of what I was doing while watching it.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

 

So next year's Bulls will hopefully look something like this:

 

Starters: Rose, Joe Johnson, Deng, Bosh, Noah

Bench: Hinrich, Gibson, James Johnson, 4-7 rookies/bad players

 

Only possible if Joe Johnson takes less than a max contract, but not that much less.

The 4-7 extra guys will have to include a SG, a SF, a C, and 1-4 multi position guys. That's an extremely strong top 7 though.

 

When did Joe Johnson become a max contract player? He's obviously an effective player and would look great next to Rose, but is the consensus - or market, I suppose - already set that he's a max guy?

 

He turned down $15 million per year before this season. After what he's done this season, he's going to be looking for the maximum, IMO. With so many teams with money to spend, I'd be a bit surprised if he doesn't get it.

[Old Style]

For the record, Acie Law's great uncle is Mr. Cub Ernie Banks. :)

[Keener98]

Apparently, the Bucks also have the rights to swap 1st round picks with the Bulls this season (top 10 protected). So if the Bulls don't make the playoffs and don't finish in the top 3 in the lottery, we are not going to get a draft pick to reflect that.

 

They are also saying that the Bobcats pick might not be until 2014.

 

The swapping of picks is meaningless. The Bucks will finish worse than the Bulls

[UMFan83]

Apparently, the Bucks also have the rights to swap 1st round picks with the Bulls this season (top 10 protected). So if the Bulls don't make the playoffs and don't finish in the top 3 in the lottery, we are not going to get a draft pick to reflect that.

 

They are also saying that the Bobcats pick might not be until 2014.

 

The swapping of picks is meaningless. The Bucks will finish worse than the Bulls

 

How can you assume that when 1/4th of the Bulls rotation just left the team? Yes I think the Bulls are probably still better, but I certainly do not know that for sure.

[Soul]

Really? There were 2 fantastic playoff victories from the Bears that season. Those don't mean much to you?

 

Can't go with you there.

 

I don't think anyone outside of Chicago would've called the NFC championship game a classic. It wasn't that competitive save for a stretch in the 3rd quarter and Rex was pretty awful.

 

I'm probably short changing the Seattle game a bit. That was a good one. But the games I was talking about were utter insanity. The MNF game is still one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen in sports.

 

Edit: Coming back to win from a 20 point half time deficit without scoring an offensive touchdown plus Denny's classic meltdown. For a regular season game, it had it all.

 

 

Blowouts in my team's favor > winning close ones

 

 

But yea, the MNF game was obviously one of the most incredible games of all time...I remember so much of that game and of what I was doing while watching it.

 

No question about the MNF game.

 

But I really loved the '06 playoffs, until the Super Bowl.

 

But I shouldn't be the one comparing Bears memories to Bulls memories. Full disclosure: I find pretty much everything that happens with the Bears to be more memorable than what happens with the Bulls. Other than the Jordan years.

[hawkeyecub]

Playoffs are immaterial this season, it's all about setting up the cap space for the FA class. Which leads me to this question - Should the Bulls manage to sign, Wade, for example would that be enough or will it leave them in NBA hell? NBA hell in sense that they'll be a very good team but, not quite good enough to win a title ala the Pacers of 90's or Bucks of the 80's.

 

Isn't that more like NBA purgatory rather than hell? NBA hell should be what the Bulls and Knicks have been for the past decade.

 

The Bulls and Knicks haven't been very similar this decade though.

 

When you're horrible in the NBA you at least have the potential to land a future star in the lottery if you get the breaks. NBA hell is being in that 4-7 seed range consistently. You know you aren't good enough to win a title but you also have little chance of getting a superstar in the draft and likely don't have a ton of space. At least that's my opinion.

[Keener98]

Apparently, the Bucks also have the rights to swap 1st round picks with the Bulls this season (top 10 protected). So if the Bulls don't make the playoffs and don't finish in the top 3 in the lottery, we are not going to get a draft pick to reflect that.

 

They are also saying that the Bobcats pick might not be until 2014.

 

The swapping of picks is meaningless. The Bucks will finish worse than the Bulls

 

How can you assume that when 1/4th of the Bulls rotation just left the team? Yes I think the Bulls are probably still better, but I certainly do not know that for sure.

 

Because losing Tyrus and Salmons really doesn't mean much to this team? Warrick was averaging 10 ppg and Salmons was avg 12ppg. Tyrus was avg 8ppg 6rpg 1 apg. Flip Murray is avg 9ppg 2rpg and almost 2 apg. This team is essentially the same as it was before the trades, with more money coming off the books, and a 1st round pick for a guy avg'ing 8 points a game.

 

This team will go as far as Rose, Noah, and Deng take them plain and simple, and all those guys are still here(minus Noah because of his injury).

[Flames24Rulz]

Apparently, the Bucks also have the rights to swap 1st round picks with the Bulls this season (top 10 protected). So if the Bulls don't make the playoffs and don't finish in the top 3 in the lottery, we are not going to get a draft pick to reflect that.

 

They are also saying that the Bobcats pick might not be until 2014.

 

The swapping of picks is meaningless. The Bucks will finish worse than the Bulls

 

How can you assume that when 1/4th of the Bulls rotation just left the team? Yes I think the Bulls are probably still better, but I certainly do not know that for sure.

 

Care to wager? The Bulls will continue to go as far as Rose, Noah, and perhaps Deng take them. We're better than the Bucks.

 

And it pains me to see Hinrich, in all likelihood, escape another deadline and remain a Bull. What the hell is it going to take to see this guy get moved?