Fuld, Hart Optioned to Iowa; Patton to DL (p. 4)

[CUBZ99]

I think I'd actually like to push for a Fox trade. I wonder if a Fox/Hoffpauier combo would do anything for the Mets.

 

The two together might be a bit too redundant, unless they wanted to platoon them. It'd also take away most of the power on our bench. I'd only trade one of the two - preferably Fox.

 

I'd much rather trade Hoffpauir. Fox can play the positions Micah plays, and he's probably a better hitter too. Not to mention, he's younger, and can backup 3b. We'd probably get more for Fox, though.

 

That's my reasoning in a nutshell. All the reasons you'd prefer Fox are the reasons we won't get much of anything for Hoff. His value is as a power lefty bat off the bench and that's as far as it goes. I can't imagine anybody would view him as a starter.

 

That type of player might net us a Heilman-esque reliever or so. Hoff is more valuable to us that that, though.

 

Agreed, he is a cheap bench bat. It sure beats overpaying for a Darryl Ward or Todd Hollandsworth.

[CyHawk_Cub]

I think I'd actually like to push for a Fox trade. I wonder if a Fox/Hoffpauier combo would do anything for the Mets.

 

The two together might be a bit too redundant, unless they wanted to platoon them. It'd also take away most of the power on our bench. I'd only trade one of the two - preferably Fox.

 

I'd much rather trade Hoffpauir. Fox can play the positions Micah plays, and he's probably a better hitter too. Not to mention, he's younger, and can backup 3b. We'd probably get more for Fox, though.

 

I think that's why dew advocates trading Fox.... Personally, unless we can get more than a middle reliever, I'd rather hold onto Fox; methinks Rammy is gonna need time off, and the often-burned Cubs fan in me dreads the possibility of an aggravation of Rammy's shoulder that would require another DL stint

[UMFan83]

I'm sure the Rockies would be very interested to hear how Patton managed to get hurt. I'm surprised no one on the Cubs tried to float any "Patton is banged up" stories through the media the last few days to make it seem much less fishy.

[nolanwood]

Glad to hear we made the moves I had hoped for!

[Prizefight]

I'm sure the Rockies would be very interested to hear how Patton managed to get hurt. I'm surprised no one on the Cubs tried to float any "Patton is banged up" stories through the media the last few days to make it seem much less fishy.

 

From a shady business standpoint I understand, but what, if any, are the repercussions from what they did? I will admit the intricacies of baseball roster rules are my weakest area so I apologize if the answer is pretty common knowledge.

[dew1679666265]

Agreed, he is a cheap bench bat. It sure beats overpaying for a Darryl Ward or Todd Hollandsworth.

 

Hoff is one of those players who is more valuable to us than anything we could likely get for him - even if we sold him at his peak value.

[squally1313]

I think I'd actually like to push for a Fox trade. I wonder if a Fox/Hoffpauir combo would do anything for the Mets.

 

The two together might be a bit too redundant, unless they wanted to platoon them. It'd also take away most of the power on our bench. I'd only trade one of the two - preferably Fox.

 

Yeah, while I love Fox's bat so far, his lack of defensive ability really hurts him and brings down his value a lot. I mean, if they stay in a strick platoon in center and at second, you have to assume that Fukudome/Fontenot are getting about 70% of the starts, which means you have 2 righties on the bench already in Baker and Reed that put up over 900 OPS against lefties last year. With Lee getting hot, Hoff becomes the fifth outfielder, which is fine because he gives us that good (well, hopefully good) lefty bat off the bench to use against top righty relievers.

 

Right now we have basically three righties on the bench who either have a career of hitting lefties really well or recent sucess against hitting lefties. Unfortunately for Fox, who may very well be the best hitter out of the three, he doesn't bring anything defensively, so I think we should be looking at getting some sort of reliever for him.

 

I guess one main thing that could raise his value is if he shows he can hit right handers consistently. After Hoff, who's our next option against righties? Right now it's Fox, but really we're not losing much in a guy whose value can be replaced against lefties by two other guys and who's the second option against lefties. Get a reliever for him, and find another lefty bat (Snyder, though basically another career minor leaguer, is killing AAA....oh and that Jim Edmonds guy is still available) to fill out what could turn into a decent bench:

 

Baker

Reed

Hoff

Snyder/Edmonds

Hill

Blanco

 

Use Fox to upgrade the bullpen, and as someone mentioned earlier, have someone remind Lou that Marshall/Shark/Hart(if he's up) are all capable of going 3-5 innings, and an 11 man pitching staff is fully doable for us.

[Cubbie Swagger]

I'm very happy with the moves... it's exactly what I woulda done. Now just DFA Miles and we are good to go.

[NCCubFan]

So they are going with 11 pitchers for now?

Armageddon must be at hand.

 

I was wrong about them starting with only one backup MI and finally going to 11 pitchers. The first one didn't last long though, wonder how long this one will.

Depending on how much the bullpen is used between now and then I could see a move being made before the doubleheader on Sunday. By then Ascanio will have been down more than 10 days and eligible to return.

[Hawk4Hall]

Excellent choices. I agree the Cubs needs to DFA Miles.

[NCCubFan]

I agree the Cubs needs to DFA Miles.

They need to, but they won't. Hendry won't admit it was a mistake (especially since it was a two-year contract). I think the best we could hope for would be for Miles to remain on the DL.

[Jehrico]

What could Fox and Wells net in a trade? :-k

[Soul]

I agree the Cubs needs to DFA Miles.

They need to, but they won't. Hendry won't admit it was a mistake (especially since it was a two-year contract). I think the best we could hope for would be for Miles to remain on the DL.

 

I'll take it.

[Jehrico]

I agree the Cubs needs to DFA Miles.

They need to, but they won't. Hendry won't admit it was a mistake (especially since it was a two-year contract). I think the best we could hope for would be for Miles to remain on the DL.

 

I'll take it.

Someone's second baseman has to go down to injury sooner or later. When it happens, Hendry needs to offer Miles for a PTBNL.

[abuck1220]

I'm sure the Rockies would be very interested to hear how Patton managed to get hurt. I'm surprised no one on the Cubs tried to float any "Patton is banged up" stories through the media the last few days to make it seem much less fishy.

 

i doubt the rockies care because patton isn't good.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'm sure the Rockies would be very interested to hear how Patton managed to get hurt. I'm surprised no one on the Cubs tried to float any "Patton is banged up" stories through the media the last few days to make it seem much less fishy.

 

i doubt the rockies care because patton isn't good.

 

Do you see the Cubs are interested as to why Donnie Veal is MIA since being DLd over a month ago? I think theres a league wide understanding of these tpes of "injuries". The fact is, if these players were important enough to their former team, they would have been protected from the Rule 5 to begin with.