Manny tests positive for PEDs, suspended 50 games

[Laura]

Does Manny still occupy a roster spot while suspended, or are PED suspensions different than 'behavioral' suspensions?

[big_shooter17]

Does Manny still occupy a roster spot while suspended, or are PED suspensions different than 'behavioral' suspensions?

 

I think that the Brewers had Gwynn up for Cameron last year and sent him down when he came back if memory serves me right. That would be a good idea, though. Penalize the team for not policing their own players.

[JGalt73]

Does Manny still occupy a roster spot while suspended, or are PED suspensions different than 'behavioral' suspensions?

 

I'm guessing not, as they've called up a AAA OF. Also, other returnees from suspension appear to have necessitated a roster move.

[Keener98]

Isnt a 50 game suspension from failing your 2nd test?

 

I'm pretty sure the current one is 50/100/life

 

keener's probably thinking of the original steroid policy, which was:

 

1st offense: lose hot tub privileges

2nd offense: mean letter from commissioner's office

3rd offense: stern face to face talking-to by bud selig.

4th offense: 1 game suspension

5th offense: 2 game suspension

...

500th offense: permanent ban from baseball.

 

 

Haha, thats great. Also yea I was thinking of the 1st drug policy.

 

Plashke is ripping Manny a new one on ESPN right now, he certainly doesnt believe the Manny story.

[JGalt73]

Ramirez’s statement issued through the MLBPA indicates that Ramirez will not appeal his suspension and that he received the banned substance from a doctor. Ramirez was suspended under section 8.G.2 of the Joint Drug Agreement, which is “other.” In his statement, there’s no clear statement that Ramirez ever tested positive. Combined, those two facts point to a non-testable drug, but this is not confirmed. The only other known 8.G.2 suspension was Jordan Schaefer.

 

Schaefer was suspended for buying HGH based on an investigation, not any positive test. Hmmm....

[UMFan83]

is he out for any games we play against them?

 

Yeah...I think we have a series against them at the end of May

[UMFan83]

May 29-31: Dodgrers @ Cubs

[badnews]

I can't Manny wasn't completely clean when he high-fived that fan after the catch.

 

Now that home run he hit off a Sean Marshall pitch in the dirt last year will forever be tainted to me!

[SaorsaDaonnan]

Scott Boras, Ramirez's agent, told ESPN's Peter Gammons that his client did not test positive for steroids,

but for a drug that was prescribed by a doctor for a medical condition.

 

Two sources confirm for me that Ramirez did not test positive for an anabolic steroid. What the substance was

remains unclear. The press release from MLB indicates that it was not a “drug of abuse” or a “stimulant,” the other

two classes of banned substances. Ramirez’s positive test came during Spring Training, which follows his story that

he received the substance from a doctor this January.

 

This, if true, changes the story a bit.

 

 

could it have been HGH? not sure if that would be consistent with the medical treatment alibi -although that story

could be BS anyway- but it would be consistent with the PED-but-not-steroid rumors

[SaorsaDaonnan]

Ramirez’s statement issued through the MLBPA indicates that Ramirez will not appeal his suspension and that he received the banned substance from a doctor. Ramirez was suspended under section 8.G.2 of the Joint Drug Agreement, which is “other.” In his statement, there’s no clear statement that Ramirez ever tested positive. Combined, those two facts point to a non-testable drug, but this is not confirmed. The only other known 8.G.2 suspension was Jordan Schaefer.

 

Schaefer was suspended for buying HGH based on an investigation, not any positive test. Hmmm....

 

ah, other people were moving toward to that conclusion first!

[Rob]

No steroids, no amphetamines, no recreational drugs... banned without a positive test.

 

What the hell did he do?

[reggiemiller rules]

I think MLB should strip the Red Sox 2004 title and give it to the Cardinals because of this.

[Little Slide Rooter]

11:41am: In a statement, Manny apologized and explained what happened:

 

Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I've taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.

 

He doesnt seem to be trying that hard to clear his name for someone whose supposedly innocent.

[Guest]

What could be wrong with an otherwise healthy professional athlete that would cause them to take a prescribed substance from a doctor that is so similar to a banned substance that if found would result in a banning?

 

It's ridiculous, but I guess they have to have some excuse.

[badnews]

Does it even matter if you are "innocent?" I thought J. C. Romero had a pretty good story, but that didn't get him anywhere.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What could be wrong with an otherwise healthy professional athlete that would cause them to take a prescribed substance from a doctor that is so similar to a banned substance that if found would result in a banning.

 

ADD would be a good place to start looking.

[Rob]

What could be wrong with an otherwise healthy professional athlete that would cause them to take a prescribed substance from a doctor that is so similar to a banned substance that if found would result in a banning.

 

ADD would be a good place to start looking.

 

I thought I heard elsewhere that he wasn't nailed for an amphetamine.

[UMFan83]

Does it even matter if you are "innocent?" I thought J. C. Romero had a pretty good story, but that didn't get him anywhere.

 

I don't think Manny is trying to get out his suspension. He's trying to clear his name and his legacy. JC Romero accepted his suspension but wanted people to understand that he isn't a steroids user or purposely trying to improve his performance by using a banned substance.

[Guest]

What could be wrong with an otherwise healthy professional athlete that would cause them to take a prescribed substance from a doctor that is so similar to a banned substance that if found would result in a banning.

 

ADD would be a good place to start looking.

That wouldn't result in a banning if it were prescribed by a doctor.

 

Sometimes they use cocaine during eye surgery, for example.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Seems kinda lame that if players take banned substances that could boost their performance and get suspended, the team can replace them; but if a player loses his temper and yells at an umpire and gets suspended, they can't be replaced.

[JGalt73]

What could be wrong with an otherwise healthy professional athlete that would cause them to take a prescribed substance from a doctor that is so similar to a banned substance that if found would result in a banning.

 

ADD would be a good place to start looking.

That wouldn't result in a banning if it were prescribed by a doctor.

 

Sometimes they use cocaine during eye surgery, for example.

 

It would result in a suspension unless the league grants a Therapeutic Use Exemption prior to getting the drug.

[Soul]

Over the course of the past few years, it's become clear that the best way to deal with a situation like this is:

 

1) Give the excuse that it was some prescribed or over-the-counter pill. This puts doubt in the mind of everyone who wants to believe that you aren't guilty. It allows the argument to at least be made that you might not have actually done it.

 

2) Don't deny it. It makes it 10 times worse. Just take your punishment, and people will eventually stop freaking out over it.

 

 

So Manny's following the prescribed path.

[jersey cubs fan]

Seems kinda lame that if players take banned substances that could boost their performance and get suspended, the team can replace them; but if a player loses his temper and yells at an umpire and gets suspended, they can't be replaced.

 

It would make some sense if they gave the team a roster penalty for a little bit, but 50 games is harsh.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why didn't Manny Ramirez get a long-term deal? Canseco asks. Why were owners gun-shy about signing arguably the game's best hitter? Never mind that Ramirez was asking for a mega-deal at age 36. Or that he was negotiating in a sickly economy, while weighed down by the heavy baggage of a surly reputation. Canseco will have none of it. To Canseco, the drawn-out negotiation, the lack of a long-term deal, the lack of interest all raise red flags, and so he tells the Bovard crowd that Ramirez's "name is most likely, 90%," on the list. Canseco admits later that he has no way of knowing. But it makes sense to him, so he threw it out there -- kaboom! -- swinging for the fences, still. (Los Angeles Times)

[NonProfitCow]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AghViN4UCXcTR64v.O.ksTE5nYcB?slug=ys-ramirezsuspension050709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

A source close to Manny Ramirez(notes) said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers slugger tested positive was not “an agent customarily used for performance enhancing.”

 

At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the substance is supposed to boost sex drive. It is not Viagra, but a substance that treats the cause rather providing a temporary boost in sexual performance, the source said.

 

Sounds like boner pills.