Manny tests positive for PEDs, suspended 50 games

[RonCey]

AJ Daulerio of Deadspin says it was tamoxifen citrate for his boobs, and he's not joking.

 

http://deadspin.com/5244230/the-case-of-manny-not-being-manny

[SouthSideRyan]

AJ Daulerio of Deadspin says it was tamoxifen citrate for his boobs, and he's not joking.

 

http://deadspin.com/5244230/the-case-of-manny-not-being-manny

 

Different Manny.

[David]

AJ Daulerio of Deadspin says it was tamoxifen citrate for his boobs, and he's not joking.

 

http://deadspin.com/5244230/the-case-of-manny-not-being-manny

 

 

aka Nolvadex

[UMFan83]

AJ Daulerio of Deadspin says it was tamoxifen citrate for his boobs, and he's not joking.

 

http://deadspin.com/5244230/the-case-of-manny-not-being-manny

 

Different Manny.

 

I could easily be wrong, but I interpreted that article meaning that he told a couple of reporters and they scooped him on the story and told him it was another Ramirez.

[Outshined_One]

AJ Daulerio of Deadspin says it was tamoxifen citrate for his boobs, and he's not joking.

 

http://deadspin.com/5244230/the-case-of-manny-not-being-manny

 

Different Manny.

 

The way it reads sounds like the other reporter screwed him on the story.

[RonCey]

AJ Daulerio of Deadspin says it was tamoxifen citrate for his boobs, and he's not joking.

 

http://deadspin.com/5244230/the-case-of-manny-not-being-manny

 

Different Manny.

 

The way it reads sounds like the other reporter screwed him on the story.

 

That's how I read it too (particularly the last two lines), but Daulerio just said in the comments section that's not what happened. Two guys from the LA Times broke the story.

[champaignchris]

Just for those who like to keep track...

 

Here's a list of players in the top 50 career home run list who played a majority of their careers during the steroid era (1995 to 2007). The number in parenthesis is where they stand on the all-time list.

 

(1) Barry Bonds – Confirmed steroid user

(5) Ken Griffey, Jr.

(6) Sammy Sosa – Widely suspected, no solid proof

(8) Mark McGwire – Confirmed andro user, teammate and brother claim steroid use

(10) Rafael Palmeiro – Confirmed steroid user

(12) Alex Rodriguez – Confirmed steroid user

(14) Jim Thome

(17) Manny Ramirez – Confirmed user of steroid related drug

(18) Frank Thomas

(25) Gary Sheffield – Confirmed steroid user

(26) Fred McGriff

(30) Carlos Delgado

(32) Jose Conseco – Confirmed steroid user

(34) Jeff Bagwell

(37) Juan Gonzalez – Almost certain user, teammate claims steroid use, drugs traced to him seized at Canadian border

(38) Cal Ripken

(39) Mike Piazza

(42) Chipper Jones

(44) Andres Galarraga

(47) Jasom Giambi – Confirmed steroid user

(49) Vlad Guerrero

 

Not including Sosa (who's had no proof at all against him), that's 9 out of 21, with most of them at the top of the list.

[Guest]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

 

However, two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.

 

...

 

A source with intimate knowledge of steroids told ESPN that a male athlete usually uses HCG after a cycle of steroids because steroids often shut down the testosterone-making ability of the testicles. HCG restores their capacity to make testosterone. The source said that some males may use HCG in lieu of steroids also. HCG by itself can provide a substantial boost in the body's own testosterone, and this may provide some performance-enhancement benefits.

 

Ramirez had scheduled an appeal and MLB officials were in Los Angeles to meet with him on Wednesday, a source familiar with the matter told ESPN. Ramirez, however, withdrew the appeal Wednesday and accepted the suspension. Under the union agreement, the drugs major league players test positive for are not released by MLB or the players' union.

[The Other 15]

I have not read through this thread so maybe someone mentioned it earlier, but all this crap from Manny and Boras is a predetermined smokescreen in case he got caught.

 

It was likely some drug usually used as a masking agent and easily acquired through a regular prescription. This was the norm in the Olympics before HGH came along. A feminine hormone (hg?) is usually used after a steriod cycle is completed to restart the bodys own hormone producing system. Bodybuilders all over the world will be laughing at Manny's/Boras' explanation.

 

This is nothing more than a "in case of emergency, pull this excuse" button for that scumbag twosome.

 

EDIT: Just read the previous two pages and Ok, hcG is what I was thinking of. No doubt he was roiding after reading that.

Edited May 7, 2009 by The Other 15%

[Little Slide Rooter]

Just for those who like to keep track...

 

Here's a list of players in the top 50 career home run list who played a majority of their careers during the steroid era (1995 to 2007). The number in parenthesis is where they stand on the all-time list.

 

(1) Barry Bonds – Confirmed steroid user

(5) Ken Griffey, Jr.

(6) Sammy Sosa – Widely suspected, no solid proof

(8) Mark McGwire – Confirmed andro user, teammate and brother claim steroid use

(10) Rafael Palmeiro – Confirmed steroid user

(12) Alex Rodriguez – Confirmed steroid user

(14) Jim Thome

(17) Manny Ramirez – Confirmed user of steroid related drug

(18) Frank Thomas

(25) Gary Sheffield – Confirmed steroid user

(26) Fred McGriff

(30) Carlos Delgado

(32) Jose Conseco – Confirmed steroid user

(34) Jeff Bagwell

(37) Juan Gonzalez – Almost certain user, teammate claims steroid use, drugs traced to him seized at Canadian border

(38) Cal Ripken

(39) Mike Piazza

(42) Chipper Jones

(44) Andres Galarraga

(47) Jasom Giambi – Confirmed steroid user

(49) Vlad Guerrero

 

Not including Sosa (who's had no proof at all against him), that's 9 out of 21, with most of them at the top of the list.

 

I think Neifi Perez is number 51 on the list, and hes also a confirmed user.

 

Seriouly though, aside from Maddux, Chipper, Griffey, anf Frank Thomas the late 80's-early '00s is easily baseballs darkest era.

[jersey cubs fan]

(6) Sammy Sosa – Widely suspected, no solid proof

(34) Jeff Bagwell

(39) Mike Piazza

 

These two guys have as much proof against them as Sammy. Piazza especially. There are all sorts of stories of his bachne.

[The Other 15]

Pretty standard PCT drug.

 

I wonder what kind of super-roids he's using that went undetected.

 

Yeah, if that's true, its pretty obviously he was roiding. When I first heard the story, I was thinking it would be a JC Romero kinda story, but its becoming pretty clear he was roiding.

 

I dunno... I do have a hard time believing Manny would stand up and fight if he was actually taking it for fertility. "My boys swim in circles" isn't exactly something you want to announce to the world.

 

"I'm a steroid user, so you can black-ball me from the HOF" would be a lot worse message than I need help with my swimmers, no?

[champaignchris]

(6) Sammy Sosa – Widely suspected, no solid proof

(34) Jeff Bagwell

(39) Mike Piazza

 

These two guys have as much proof against them as Sammy. Piazza especially. There are all sorts of stories of his bachne.

 

You're right, and later in my post, I didn't count Sammy among the 9 out of 21 users.

 

But, if I didn't mention anything next to his name, someone would have said something to the effect of, "Everybody knows..." It's pure conjecture at this point. Unfortunately, I think he's going to be kept out of the HoF based on pure conjecture.

[Outshined_One]

Given the choice between being known as a steroid abuser during a time when MLB, fans, media, and politicians are in full-out witch hunt mode and being known as infertile, there isn't much of a choice for Manny here.

[Rob]

Pretty standard PCT drug.

 

I wonder what kind of super-roids he's using that went undetected.

 

Yeah, if that's true, its pretty obviously he was roiding. When I first heard the story, I was thinking it would be a JC Romero kinda story, but its becoming pretty clear he was roiding.

 

I dunno... I do have a hard time believing Manny would stand up and fight if he was actually taking it for fertility. "My boys swim in circles" isn't exactly something you want to announce to the world.

 

"I'm a steroid user, so you can black-ball me from the HOF" would be a lot worse message than I need help with my swimmers, no?

 

For Manny? I wont pretend to know what he's thinking when he's acting "normally."

 

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

[champaignchris]

Given the choice between being known as a steroid abuser during a time when MLB, fans, media, and politicians are in full-out witch hunt mode and being known as infertile, there isn't much of a choice for Manny here.

 

Wasn't Rafael Palmeiro faced with this same dilema?

 

"How bout I start doing Viagra commercials!"

[anabiono]

so, do you think manny's numbers will suffer now?

[Guest]

This also could be the reason why no team would touch him in the off-season.

[The Other 15]

Pretty standard PCT drug.

 

I wonder what kind of super-roids he's using that went undetected.

 

Yeah, if that's true, its pretty obviously he was roiding. When I first heard the story, I was thinking it would be a JC Romero kinda story, but its becoming pretty clear he was roiding.

 

I dunno... I do have a hard time believing Manny would stand up and fight if he was actually taking it for fertility. "My boys swim in circles" isn't exactly something you want to announce to the world.

 

"I'm a steroid user, so you can black-ball me from the HOF" would be a lot worse message than I need help with my swimmers, no?

 

For Manny? I wont pretend to know what he's thinking when he's acting "normally."

 

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

Ok, I understand that, but still, regardless of his innocence or not, wouldn't the message that he was a steroid user be worse than he needed assistance with his swimmers?

[champaignchris]

so, do you think manny's numbers will suffer now?

 

That's been the general trend among users hasn't it. Especially those over 35. Slumps, strange injuries. Sometimes they outright disappear. I mean, there's a reason why they take the stuff. They wouldn't use it if it didn't work.

[anabiono]

This also could be the reason why no team would touch him in the off-season.

 

i think it was the high price tag and behavioral issues, no?

[Guest]

This also could be the reason why no team would touch him in the off-season.

 

i think it was the high price tag and behavioral issues, no?

Could be, but he produces and teams are usually able to look past those issues.

[erik316wttn]

(6) Sammy Sosa – Widely suspected, no solid proof

(34) Jeff Bagwell

(39) Mike Piazza

 

These two guys have as much proof against them as Sammy. Piazza especially. There are all sorts of stories of his bachne.

 

You're right, and later in my post, I didn't count Sammy among the 9 out of 21 users.

 

But, if I didn't mention anything next to his name, someone would have said something to the effect of, "Everybody knows..." It's pure conjecture at this point. Unfortunately, I think he's going to be kept out of the HoF based on pure conjecture.

 

I don't know. There's rock-solid proof on Bonds, Arod, Manny, and Clemens, and McGwire all but admitted usage, but Sammy has never been linked to any steroid story, nor was he named in the Mitchell report.

[Soul]

All part of the smokescreen.

 

It was some over-the-counter thing.

 

It was some supplement he didn't know contained steroids.

 

It was some after-affect med that really isn't steroids.

 

It was this.

 

It was that.

 

It was anything you want to tell yourself if you can't bring yourself to believe that your hero is a cheat.

[David]

All part of the smokescreen.

 

It was some over-the-counter thing.

 

It was some supplement he didn't know contained steroids.

 

It was some after-affect med that really isn't steroids.

 

It was this.

 

It was that.

 

It was anything you want to tell yourself if you can't bring yourself to believe that your hero is a cheat.

 

 

Except it was none of those and was something steroid users use to come off their cycles as safely as they can. *shrug*

 

In other words, it's almost direct proof of steroid usage. I don't see how that's a smokescreen of any sort.

Edited May 7, 2009 by David