College Basketball 2009-10

[Guest]

USC throws its basketball program under the bus in hopes that no one notices they have a football program: http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncb/news/story?id=4792634

 

Self-imposed sanctions of vacating all wins in 2007-08, reduction of one scholarship this year and next and a postseason ban this season.

 

The sanctions affect only the men's basketball program. The university football program is also under investigation for allegations that Reggie Bush received improper benefits while he played at the school.

 

"USC takes allegations of NCAA rules violations very seriously. When allegations were made regarding our men's basketball program we immediately began an investigation and worked closely with the NCAA and the Pac-10 in an attempt to ascertain the truth," Garrett said. "When we've done something wrong, we have an obligation to do something about it and that is exactly what we are doing here."

 

LOL.

[ISUCubsFan]

Dear Iowa State,

 

REBOUND!!!!!

 

Getting outrebounded by a Houston team that is 3 inches shorter across the board and ranks in the 300's in rebounding is ridiculous. You somehow won in 2OT today, but if you play like this against Duke on Wednesday it's gonna be a beatdown.

[SouthSideRyan]

Doesn't having Kevin O' Neill as your coach make the postseason ban moot?

[illiniguy]

Doesn't having Kevin O' Neill as your coach make the postseason ban moot?

We are about to have one tournament win the the last 5 years. Same could probably be said for Bruce Weber.

[SouthSideRyan]

Doesn't having Kevin O' Neill as your coach make the postseason ban moot?

We are about to have one tournament win the the last 5 years. Same could probably be said for Bruce Weber.

 

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[bukie]

Doesn't having Kevin O' Neill as your coach make the postseason ban moot?

We are about to have one tournament win the the last 5 years. Same could probably be said for Bruce Weber.

 

facepalm

I mean, all Weber has ever done at Illinois is underachieve...

[illiniguy]

Doesn't having Kevin O' Neill as your coach make the postseason ban moot?

We are about to have one tournament win the the last 5 years. Same could probably be said for Bruce Weber.

 

facepalm

I mean, all Weber has ever done at Illinois is underachieve...

Yeah he's killed it without Self's recruits. Killed it. Barring a 12-6 conference record he's gonna miss the tournament for the 2nd time in 3 years. Badass.

[bukie]

I mean, all Weber has ever done at Illinois is underachieve...

Yeah he's killed it without Self's recruits. Killed it. Barring a 12-6 conference record he's gonna miss the tournament for the 2nd time in 3 years. Badass.

Yeah, it's not as if two of the most important players on this team are freshman that are struggling on defense, and that this team's main problem is defensive.

 

Other than the team being bad defensively, though, you're right, it's exactly like those other Weber disappointments, like the 2nd place team from a year ago that everyone expected to finish first.

[NCCubFan]

Amazing finish to Florida-NC State game.

[Exile on Waveland]

West Virginia never should've been ranked 6 to begin with.

 

No? They were undefeated and ranked No. 7 in Pomeroy (now No. 10). They own wins over Marquette (22), Ole Miss (32), Texas A&M (46), and Seton Hall (57). I don't think their No. 6 ranking was too far off base, if at all (though, even in their recent wins, they didn't seem to be playing all that well).

[mul21]

Yeah he's killed it without Self's recruits. Killed it. Barring a 12-6 conference record he's gonna miss the tournament for the 2nd time in 3 years. Badass.

 

So if they go 10-8, you don't think they'll make it? I'd be willing to bet you're wrong. 3 non-con wins over ranked teams will go a long way to getting in. The losses may hurt, but really only 2 of them are bad and none at home. When was the last time a team with good non-con wins and winning record in the B10 didn't go to the dance?

 

I do feel your frustration though. The complete inability to get a shot at the end of a game is really getting old.

[illiniguy]

Yeah he's killed it without Self's recruits. Killed it. Barring a 12-6 conference record he's gonna miss the tournament for the 2nd time in 3 years. Badass.

 

So if they go 10-8, you don't think they'll make it? I'd be willing to bet you're wrong. 3 non-con wins over ranked teams will go a long way to getting in. The losses may hurt, but really only 2 of them are bad and none at home. When was the last time a team with good non-con wins and winning record in the B10 didn't go to the dance?

 

I do feel your frustration though. The complete inability to get a shot at the end of a game is really getting old.

I hope that gets them in, but I doubt it. They need 12 to get to 20. 20 is pretty much going to be a given with our bad losses.

[illiniguy]

I mean, all Weber has ever done at Illinois is underachieve...

Yeah he's killed it without Self's recruits. Killed it. Barring a 12-6 conference record he's gonna miss the tournament for the 2nd time in 3 years. Badass.

Yeah, it's not as if two of the most important players on this team are freshman that are struggling on defense, and that this team's main problem is defensive.

 

Other than the team being bad defensively, though, you're right, it's exactly like those other Weber disappointments, like the 2nd place team from a year ago that everyone expected to finish first.

Yeah he did well last year. I think it was because the Big Ten was awful, but ok last year he did well. How bout the three years before? He under achieved in all of them.

[SouthSideRyan]

I mean, all Weber has ever done at Illinois is underachieve...

Yeah he's killed it without Self's recruits. Killed it. Barring a 12-6 conference record he's gonna miss the tournament for the 2nd time in 3 years. Badass.

Yeah, it's not as if two of the most important players on this team are freshman that are struggling on defense, and that this team's main problem is defensive.

 

Other than the team being bad defensively, though, you're right, it's exactly like those other Weber disappointments, like the 2nd place team from a year ago that everyone expected to finish first.

Yeah he did well last year. I think it was because the Big Ten was awful, but ok last year he did well. How bout the three years before? He under achieved in all of them.

 

How exactly was the Big Ten awful last year? 7 teams in the tourney, collectively playing above seed is awful? Losing a 5-12 game without your senior leader and best defender ruined the whole season for you?

 

Last year's coaching job was phenomenal. The year before was terrible. I'd argue that the team performed about as well as expected in '05-'06 and '06-'07. You know as well as I that they were screwed in both their seeding and location in '06. (Supposedly "punishment" for the great draw we had in '05. Let me know when UNC gets "punished" for playing games close to home when they earn it) Then they got dicked over in the 4-5 game's officiating.

 

'06-'07 choked away a big lead in the tourney and left a really bitter taste in my mouth but it was a team that lost a starter and a contributing bench player(through at least one of their's utter stupidity)

 

If you want to argue that he botched the handling of Jamar, that's reasonable. If you want to argue that the program never should've sunk as low as it did, that's certainly reasonable. Arguing that he needs to go 14 games into a season following getting a 5 seed and 2nd place in a deep Big Ten out of 3 star recruits is not. The issue with Weber during those dark days was an extreme downturn in recruiting. He's turned it around, and now has 2 freshmen and a preferred walk on playing huge roles on the team.

 

That's not to say that's not his fault, but as I said he's turned it around. He did exactly what you wanted of him on Saturday, had Paul out there and Paul acted like a freshman and took a terrible shot. It's going to happen. Am I disappointed about how the season is unfolding? Of course I am. I'm the psycho screaming obscenities at the TV with every turnover, but I have a hard time seeing the case for running Weber out of town at this point.

[bukie]

As I've said before, the most frustrating thing about this current team is the lack of perimeter defense, which is largely on two freshman starters and a returning ex-walk-on guard. It's the exact opposite of everything that's happened in the past with Weber's teams, and something that can be fixed through the year.

 

Offensively, this is the best they've been since 2005, which is promising. Paul and Richardson will be better and improve throughout the year, most of the improvement expected defensively because of Weber. Fortunately, the conference schedule will allow them to progress gradually, as long as they don't have an abysmal showing on the road against one of the weaker conference opponents.

[Exile on Waveland]

Please have an abysmal showing on the road against one of the weaker conference opponents on Saturday.

[SouthSideRyan]

Please have an abysmal showing on the road against one of the weaker conference opponents on Saturday.

 

Enjoying the meltdown?

[SouthSideRyan]

West Virginia never should've been ranked 6 to begin with.

 

No? They were undefeated and ranked No. 7 in Pomeroy (now No. 10). They own wins over Marquette (22), Ole Miss (32), Texas A&M (46), and Seton Hall (57). I don't think their No. 6 ranking was too far off base, if at all (though, even in their recent wins, they didn't seem to be playing all that well).

 

Likely a function of my growing disbelief at certain teams being considered good. It seems more often lately I look a top 20 team and am pretty shocked they're considered a great team. West Virginia hasn't looked like anything special whenever I've seen them. I guess somebody has to fill these rankings beyond Kansas, Duke, Cuse, and Purdue.

[Exile on Waveland]

Please have an abysmal showing on the road against one of the weaker conference opponents on Saturday.

 

Enjoying the meltdown?

 

Meltdown's over; rebuilding has commenced. To answer your question, though, yes. I thoroughly enjoyed the enema.

[SouthSideRyan]

Please have an abysmal showing on the road against one of the weaker conference opponents on Saturday.

 

Enjoying the meltdown?

 

Meltdown's over; rebuilding has commenced. To answer your question, though, yes. I thoroughly enjoyed the enema.

 

Sorry, was talking about us, I was thinking we had Iowa Saturday.

 

And we're not even on the road when we play Iowa. I'm out of it.

[Exile on Waveland]

Please have an abysmal showing on the road against one of the weaker conference opponents on Saturday.

 

Enjoying the meltdown?

 

Meltdown's over; rebuilding has commenced. To answer your question, though, yes. I thoroughly enjoyed the enema.

 

Sorry, was talking about us, I was thinking we had Iowa Saturday.

 

And we're not even on the road when we play Iowa. I'm out of it.

 

Ha ha. No worries. It may take an abysmal showing, but I was hoping for that Saturday from Illinois (Pomeroy has it a four-point spread with a 35% of IU winning, but that, of course, doesn't take into account Creek's absence). I only root for that to benefit IU, not to see you Illini fans suffer. I have no case of schadenfreude towards Illinois (though you Illini fans have fatalistic tendencies, I'll say that).

[illiniguy]

I mean, all Weber has ever done at Illinois is underachieve...

Yeah he's killed it without Self's recruits. Killed it. Barring a 12-6 conference record he's gonna miss the tournament for the 2nd time in 3 years. Badass.

Yeah, it's not as if two of the most important players on this team are freshman that are struggling on defense, and that this team's main problem is defensive.

 

Other than the team being bad defensively, though, you're right, it's exactly like those other Weber disappointments, like the 2nd place team from a year ago that everyone expected to finish first.

Yeah he did well last year. I think it was because the Big Ten was awful, but ok last year he did well. How bout the three years before? He under achieved in all of them.

 

How exactly was the Big Ten awful last year? 7 teams in the tourney, collectively playing above seed is awful? Losing a 5-12 game without your senior leader and best defender ruined the whole season for you?

 

Last year's coaching job was phenomenal. The year before was terrible. I'd argue that the team performed about as well as expected in '05-'06 and '06-'07. You know as well as I that they were screwed in both their seeding and location in '06. (Supposedly "punishment" for the great draw we had in '05. Let me know when UNC gets "punished" for playing games close to home when they earn it) Then they got dicked over in the 4-5 game's officiating.

 

'06-'07 choked away a big lead in the tourney and left a really bitter taste in my mouth but it was a team that lost a starter and a contributing bench player(through at least one of their's utter stupidity)

 

If you want to argue that he botched the handling of Jamar, that's reasonable. If you want to argue that the program never should've sunk as low as it did, that's certainly reasonable. Arguing that he needs to go 14 games into a season following getting a 5 seed and 2nd place in a deep Big Ten out of 3 star recruits is not. The issue with Weber during those dark days was an extreme downturn in recruiting. He's turned it around, and now has 2 freshmen and a preferred walk on playing huge roles on the team.

 

That's not to say that's not his fault, but as I said he's turned it around. He did exactly what you wanted of him on Saturday, had Paul out there and Paul acted like a freshman and took a terrible shot. It's going to happen. Am I disappointed about how the season is unfolding? Of course I am. I'm the psycho screaming obscenities at the TV with every turnover, but I have a hard time seeing the case for running Weber out of town at this point.

Paul kept us in that game with Keller. THe last second shot was terrible, but he had to shoot.

 

As for Bruce, he got a raise and extension and that just really bothers me. Everyone is all oh now the recruits are coming, Gee and it only took 7 years on the job training to get to that point.

[Guest]

So then the time to fire him would have been several years ago. Now that he's recruiting would be the wrong time to do it.

[Keener98]

So then the time to fire him would have been several years ago. Now that he's recruiting would be the wrong time to do it.

 

Exactly

[CubbieBum]

Anyone see the new Bracketology? Lunardi has Purdue as the No. 1 overall seed. He doesn't say out right that it is because they deserve it so I'm thinking it is because it would put them in Milwaukee.