College Basketball 2009-10

[SpongeWorthy]

I hate Mike Tisdale. I hate Illinois always having 7 foot white guys who are skinny as [expletive], and cant rebound worth [expletive].

 

Yeah they need to find another Robert Archibald. Dude had a mean streak.

[Magnetic Curses]

"foul on arch"

[SouthSideRyan]

Seriously, we're freaking out over DMac and DJ not starting(And going on to play 28 and 26 minutes respectively{more than Jordan and Cole}) Freaking out that he's not playing freshmen enough when he has started them in all games but 1.5 games.

 

Nevermind that if there's a perfect time to teach a lesson it's against the worst team in the Big Ten.

[Andy]

Notre Dame tried their damnedest to lose to South Florida tonight but managed to hold on because South Florida sucks and their inbounder whipped the ball into the crowd with 2 seconds to go down a point instead of on the basketball court. Harangody had 36 and 6.

[Magnetic Curses]

Seriously, we're freaking out over DMac and DJ not starting(And going on to play 28 and 26 minutes respectively{more than Jordan and Cole}) Freaking out that he's not playing freshmen enough when he has started them in all games but 1.5 games.

 

Nevermind that if there's a perfect time to teach a lesson it's against the worst team in the Big Ten.

 

i was freaking out over paul getting benched repeatedly for driving the basketball, apparently.

 

and i hate lessons, especially when they're dumb lessons.

[illiniguy]

Seriously, we're freaking out over DMac and DJ not starting(And going on to play 28 and 26 minutes respectively{more than Jordan and Cole}) Freaking out that he's not playing freshmen enough when he has started them in all games but 1.5 games.

 

Nevermind that if there's a perfect time to teach a lesson it's against the worst team in the Big Ten.

If that's all he's doing fine, but he taught DMac his entire frosh year when he should have been playing. I also agree with Sulley that Richmond isn't gonna take well to sititng.

 

Also to whomever said that Dee or Deron could have transferred, Dee wanted to and Self talked him out of it. They didn't like Weber at all his first year. There's a reason why he felt like he had to do a mock funeral for Self.

[illiniguy]

I heard if you play The Beatles' albums backwards, they clearly state, "Bruce is the Devil."

 

what the [expletive]?

you're right - he's not the devil.

 

He's actually a Purdue spy sent in to sabotage the Illinois basketball program. Just ask IG.

Actually he's the best coach ever just ask Tim. I mean heck if we are gonna put words is people's mouths.

[SouthSideRyan]

Seriously, we're freaking out over DMac and DJ not starting(And going on to play 28 and 26 minutes respectively{more than Jordan and Cole}) Freaking out that he's not playing freshmen enough when he has started them in all games but 1.5 games.

 

Nevermind that if there's a perfect time to teach a lesson it's against the worst team in the Big Ten.

If that's all he's doing fine, but he taught DMac his entire frosh year when he should have been playing. I also agree with Sulley that Richmond isn't gonna take well to sititng.

 

Also to whomever said that Dee or Deron could have transferred, Dee wanted to and Self talked him out of it. They didn't like Weber at all his first year. There's a reason why he felt like he had to do a mock funeral for Self.

 

How'd the whole Dee and Deron thing work out? Christ your Self obsession is embarrassing. Good old St. Bill kept Dee in Champaign. GMAFB

[illiniguy]

Seriously, we're freaking out over DMac and DJ not starting(And going on to play 28 and 26 minutes respectively{more than Jordan and Cole}) Freaking out that he's not playing freshmen enough when he has started them in all games but 1.5 games.

 

Nevermind that if there's a perfect time to teach a lesson it's against the worst team in the Big Ten.

If that's all he's doing fine, but he taught DMac his entire frosh year when he should have been playing. I also agree with Sulley that Richmond isn't gonna take well to sititng.

 

Also to whomever said that Dee or Deron could have transferred, Dee wanted to and Self talked him out of it. They didn't like Weber at all his first year. There's a reason why he felt like he had to do a mock funeral for Self.

 

How'd the whole Dee and Deron thing work out? Christ your Self obsession is embarrassing. Good old St. Bill kept Dee in Champaign. GMAFB

It worked out well for us, it would have worked out better for us had Self stayed. You know, since he's probably the best coach in America.

[Derwood]

if Bill Self is the best coach in the country (not sure if serious) then why in the hell would he stay at Illinois?

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm just wondering if this cult of Self followed him with other jobs. Did Oral Roberts people become Tulsa fans? Tulsa to Illinois? The amount of Illinois fans on phog.net is embarrassing (both the haters and the longing lovers) I get it, the guy is charismatic, and a pretty good in-game coach, but holy [expletive], get over it.

[illiniguy]

if Bill Self is the best coach in the country (not sure if serious) then why in the hell would he stay at Illinois?

Seriously name the guys right now who you would rather have running Penn State if you could take anyone you wanted.

 

And we have always been one of the top programs in America, why wouldn't we have a top flight coach as well?

[illiniguy]

I'm just wondering if this cult of Self followed him with other jobs. Did Oral Roberts people become Tulsa fans? Tulsa to Illinois? The amount of Illinois fans on phog.net is embarrassing (both the haters and the longing lovers) I get it, the guy is charismatic, and a pretty good in-game coach, but holy [expletive], get over it.

I think that it is more a reflection of the guy running the ship now more than anything. Had we hired Thad Matta or seomone like him, you still think that so many people would miss Self as much as we do now?

[Derwood]

if Bill Self is the best coach in the country (not sure if serious) then why in the hell would he stay at Illinois?

Seriously name the guys right now who you would rather have running Penn State if you could take anyone you wanted.

 

And we have always been one of the top programs in America, why wouldn't we have a top flight coach as well?

 

I meant I didn't know if you were being sarcastic or not. Of course I'd rather have Self than Ed Dechelis.

 

As for "top programs", sure, Illinois is probably in the top 20. But Kansas, Kentucky, Duke and North Carolina are more or less the "Final Four" of top BBall programs right now (and even then Roy Williams bailed on one for another). If you don't think Kansas is a step up from Illinois, I don't know what to tell you

[illiniguy]

if Bill Self is the best coach in the country (not sure if serious) then why in the hell would he stay at Illinois?

Seriously name the guys right now who you would rather have running Penn State if you could take anyone you wanted.

 

And we have always been one of the top programs in America, why wouldn't we have a top flight coach as well?

 

I meant I didn't know if you were being sarcastic or not. Of course I'd rather have Self than Ed Dechelis.

 

As for "top programs", sure, Illinois is probably in the top 20. But Kansas, Kentucky, Duke and North Carolina are more or less the "Final Four" of top BBall programs right now (and even then Roy Williams bailed on one for another). If you don't think Kansas is a step up from Illinois, I don't know what to tell you

I do think they are, sure we might not be able to keep Bill, but we could have picked a lot better guy to replace him.

[Derwood]

well, that's a different argument.

 

Unfortunately for most of us, the schools we root for are always going to be "stepping stone" jobs for coaches. Heck, when JoePa finally retires/croaks, I expect PSU football to be a stepping stone coaching job.

[SouthSideRyan]

Regarding the (sort of) benchings. Did they state a specific reason on the telecast (I was at a bar with no sound)? My best guess is Weber saw what a nightmare things were when he let Pruitt dictate things without punishment(sans his 1 game suspension) and decided last year that he wasn't taking anything.

 

Maybe DMac blew up after the Gonzaga game, and this was his punishment. Maybe he didn't like DJ's effort the past few games. Maybe Weber just wanted something to get the team's attention. Or maybe you're right and he's being dumb and playing the guys that dive on the floor rather than the guys that win games. I think they're all reasonable theories, I don't see why you think it's likely that yours is correct strictly because he didn't start McCamey until midway through his freshman year. Is there another example of a guy who was glued to the bench despite being a clearly better player? I'm drawing a blank.

 

I don't understand where these thoughts about Richmond not playing next year are coming from. He started 2 freshman from the word go this year, if Richmond shows up ready to go, he'll play. I'm not sure he'll start (coming to a team with 5 returning starters), but he's going to get serious minutes barring a Royce White situation.

Edited January 6, 2010 by SouthSideRyan

[illiniguy]

well, that's a different argument.

 

Unfortunately for most of us, the schools we root for are always going to be "stepping stone" jobs for coaches. Heck, when JoePa finally retires/croaks, I expect PSU football to be a stepping stone coaching job.

Yeah pretty much, although Weber's not stepping up for any other job.

[illiniguy]

Regarding the (sort of) benchings. Did they state a specific reason on the telecast (I was at a bar with no sound)? My best guess is Weber saw what a nightmare things were when he let Pruitt dictate things without punishment(sans his 1 game suspension) and decided last year that he wasn't taking anything.

 

Maybe DMac blew up after the Gonzaga game, and this was his punishment. Maybe he didn't like DJ's effort the past few games. Maybe Weber just wanted something to get the team's attention. Or maybe you're right and he's being dumb and playing the guys that dive on the floor rather than the guys that win games. I think they're all reasonable theories, I don't see why you think it's likely that yours is correct strictly because he didn't start McCamey until midway through his freshman year. Is there another example of a guy who was glued to the bench despite being a clearly better player? I'm drawing a blank.

 

I don't understand where these thoughts about Richmond not playing next year are coming from. He started 2 freshman from the word go this year, if Richmond shows up ready to go, he'll play. I'm not sure he'll start (coming to a team with 5 returning starters), but he's going to get serious minutes barring a Royce White situatino.

The big ten network had Jim Jackson doing the game so it seemed they didn't know what to make of it. I wish they would have had Kendall doing the game as he seems to still kinda be in touch with the program and could have given more insight. It almost seemed like JJ was confused by it, he mentioned thinking maybe Weber was trying to send a message to DMac like Izzo did with Lucas.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm just wondering if this cult of Self followed him with other jobs. Did Oral Roberts people become Tulsa fans? Tulsa to Illinois? The amount of Illinois fans on phog.net is embarrassing (both the haters and the longing lovers) I get it, the guy is charismatic, and a pretty good in-game coach, but holy [expletive], get over it.

I think that it is more a reflection of the guy running the ship now more than anything. Had we hired Thad Matta or seomone like him, you still think that so many people would miss Self as much as we do now?

 

It's a tough hypothetical. I know OSU fans aren't too happy right now with their performance the last 2 seasons. He's obviously done a better job with what he was given than Weber has. I like Matta more than Weber, but it's not like he was any more proven than Weber at the time of the hire.

[illiniguy]

I'm just wondering if this cult of Self followed him with other jobs. Did Oral Roberts people become Tulsa fans? Tulsa to Illinois? The amount of Illinois fans on phog.net is embarrassing (both the haters and the longing lovers) I get it, the guy is charismatic, and a pretty good in-game coach, but holy [expletive], get over it.

I think that it is more a reflection of the guy running the ship now more than anything. Had we hired Thad Matta or seomone like him, you still think that so many people would miss Self as much as we do now?

 

It's a tough hypothetical. I know OSU fans aren't too happy right now with their performance the last 2 seasons. He's obviously done a better job with what he was given than Weber has. I like Matta more than Weber, but it's not like he was any more proven than Weber at the time of the hire.

Yeah could be, but I just think that anyone who has talked to Weber should have known that he would have a really hard time recruiting at a high level. And this has nothing to do with his voice, more so it just doesn't seem like he can relate at all to young kids. Maybe we would have just lost Matta to Kentucky had we hired him, but the last few years we would have had a lot more talent than we actually got.

[Guest]

well, that's a different argument.

 

Unfortunately for most of us, the schools we root for are always going to be "stepping stone" jobs for coaches. Heck, when JoePa finally retires/croaks, I expect PSU football to be a stepping stone coaching job.

Yeah pretty much, although Weber's not stepping up for any other job.

That depends a lot on how the next couple years play out.

 

Bruce has been a head coach for 11 years coming into this year. During that time, he has 255 victories - 9th all time for the first 11 years of a coach's career. He also has a final four appearance, consecutive big 10 titles, two additional second place finishes in the big 10, and owns the highest winning percentage of any coach in big 10 history who has coached at least six seasons in the conference.

 

So the foundation of the resume is pretty freaking solid.

 

Let's say this team ends up doing reasonably well, but not spectacular. We'll get enough wins in the big 10 to get to the dance. The bottom of the conference is weak enough that we'll get there. I don't think we'll do much in the tournament unless: 1) paul & dj mature quickly, 2) dmac & davis start putting consistent effort forward throughout the game, 3) the overall defense improves.

 

The expectations next year are going to be huge with the incoming class, a year of experience for DJ & Paul and the three senior anchors. If we were to get to final four or championship level, it is conceivable that Bruce would be in line at that point for a top five job if one opened up (UK, KU, UNC, UCLA, Duke). What works against Bruce is age. He's not going to be looked at as an up and coming coach that is using us as a stepping stone to greener pastures. However, I don't think it matters as I don't see any of those jobs opening up during the near future and I don't see any other program being enough of an upgrade over Illinois to get him to leave.

 

I'd be much more concerned about someone hiring Howard away and hamstringing our recruiting efforts. It's great that Bruce latched onto him and is using his skills in recruiting, but he needs to start developing someone else, too, because Howard only has so long before he gets recruited elsewhere.

[illiniguy]

well, that's a different argument.

 

Unfortunately for most of us, the schools we root for are always going to be "stepping stone" jobs for coaches. Heck, when JoePa finally retires/croaks, I expect PSU football to be a stepping stone coaching job.

Yeah pretty much, although Weber's not stepping up for any other job.

That depends a lot on how the next couple years play out.

 

Bruce has been a head coach for 11 years coming into this year. During that time, he has 255 victories - 9th all time for the first 11 years of a coach's career. He also has a final four appearance, consecutive big 10 titles, two additional second place finishes in the big 10, and owns the highest winning percentage of any coach in big 10 history who has coached at least six seasons in the conference.

 

So the foundation of the resume is pretty freaking solid.

 

Let's say this team ends up doing reasonably well, but not spectacular. We'll get enough wins in the big 10 to get to the dance. The bottom of the conference is weak enough that we'll get there. I don't think we'll do much in the tournament unless: 1) paul & dj mature quickly, 2) dmac & davis start putting consistent effort forward throughout the game, 3) the overall defense improves.

 

The expectations next year are going to be huge with the incoming class, a year of experience for DJ & Paul and the three senior anchors. If we were to get to final four or championship level, it is conceivable that Bruce would be in line at that point for a top five job if one opened up (UK, KU, UNC, UCLA, Duke). What works against Bruce is age. He's not going to be looked at as an up and coming coach that is using us as a stepping stone to greener pastures. However, I don't think it matters as I don't see any of those jobs opening up during the near future and I don't see any other program being enough of an upgrade over Illinois to get him to leave.

 

I'd be much more concerned about someone hiring Howard away and hamstringing our recruiting efforts. It's great that Bruce latched onto him and is using his skills in recruiting, but he needs to start developing someone else, too, because Howard only has so long before he gets recruited elsewhere.

Honestly though if we want Jerrance to be our coach someday, he's gonna have to go somewhere to run a program before he comes back. I am prepared for him to leave at some point, only to come back when Bruce is gone. I don't think that any of the top dogs would hire Weber because of the age and recruiting questions. Also he needs to at least be able to build a top 10 team on his own before any other school even kicks the tires on him.

[Guest]

well, that's a different argument.

 

Unfortunately for most of us, the schools we root for are always going to be "stepping stone" jobs for coaches. Heck, when JoePa finally retires/croaks, I expect PSU football to be a stepping stone coaching job.

Yeah pretty much, although Weber's not stepping up for any other job.

That depends a lot on how the next couple years play out.

 

Bruce has been a head coach for 11 years coming into this year. During that time, he has 255 victories - 9th all time for the first 11 years of a coach's career. He also has a final four appearance, consecutive big 10 titles, two additional second place finishes in the big 10, and owns the highest winning percentage of any coach in big 10 history who has coached at least six seasons in the conference.

 

So the foundation of the resume is pretty freaking solid.

 

Let's say this team ends up doing reasonably well, but not spectacular. We'll get enough wins in the big 10 to get to the dance. The bottom of the conference is weak enough that we'll get there. I don't think we'll do much in the tournament unless: 1) paul & dj mature quickly, 2) dmac & davis start putting consistent effort forward throughout the game, 3) the overall defense improves.

 

The expectations next year are going to be huge with the incoming class, a year of experience for DJ & Paul and the three senior anchors. If we were to get to final four or championship level, it is conceivable that Bruce would be in line at that point for a top five job if one opened up (UK, KU, UNC, UCLA, Duke). What works against Bruce is age. He's not going to be looked at as an up and coming coach that is using us as a stepping stone to greener pastures. However, I don't think it matters as I don't see any of those jobs opening up during the near future and I don't see any other program being enough of an upgrade over Illinois to get him to leave.

 

I'd be much more concerned about someone hiring Howard away and hamstringing our recruiting efforts. It's great that Bruce latched onto him and is using his skills in recruiting, but he needs to start developing someone else, too, because Howard only has so long before he gets recruited elsewhere.

Honestly though if we want Jerrance to be our coach someday, he's gonna have to go somewhere to run a program before he comes back. I am prepared for him to leave at some point, only to come back when Bruce is gone. I don't think that any of the top dogs would hire Weber because of the age and recruiting questions. Also he needs to at least be able to build a top 10 team on his own before any other school even kicks the tires on him.

So you admit that the resume is worthy. (especially if we get to another final four next season) ;)

[illiniguy]

well, that's a different argument.

 

Unfortunately for most of us, the schools we root for are always going to be "stepping stone" jobs for coaches. Heck, when JoePa finally retires/croaks, I expect PSU football to be a stepping stone coaching job.

Yeah pretty much, although Weber's not stepping up for any other job.

That depends a lot on how the next couple years play out.

 

Bruce has been a head coach for 11 years coming into this year. During that time, he has 255 victories - 9th all time for the first 11 years of a coach's career. He also has a final four appearance, consecutive big 10 titles, two additional second place finishes in the big 10, and owns the highest winning percentage of any coach in big 10 history who has coached at least six seasons in the conference.

 

So the foundation of the resume is pretty freaking solid.

 

Let's say this team ends up doing reasonably well, but not spectacular. We'll get enough wins in the big 10 to get to the dance. The bottom of the conference is weak enough that we'll get there. I don't think we'll do much in the tournament unless: 1) paul & dj mature quickly, 2) dmac & davis start putting consistent effort forward throughout the game, 3) the overall defense improves.

 

The expectations next year are going to be huge with the incoming class, a year of experience for DJ & Paul and the three senior anchors. If we were to get to final four or championship level, it is conceivable that Bruce would be in line at that point for a top five job if one opened up (UK, KU, UNC, UCLA, Duke). What works against Bruce is age. He's not going to be looked at as an up and coming coach that is using us as a stepping stone to greener pastures. However, I don't think it matters as I don't see any of those jobs opening up during the near future and I don't see any other program being enough of an upgrade over Illinois to get him to leave.

 

I'd be much more concerned about someone hiring Howard away and hamstringing our recruiting efforts. It's great that Bruce latched onto him and is using his skills in recruiting, but he needs to start developing someone else, too, because Howard only has so long before he gets recruited elsewhere.

Honestly though if we want Jerrance to be our coach someday, he's gonna have to go somewhere to run a program before he comes back. I am prepared for him to leave at some point, only to come back when Bruce is gone. I don't think that any of the top dogs would hire Weber because of the age and recruiting questions. Also he needs to at least be able to build a top 10 team on his own before any other school even kicks the tires on him.

So you admit that the resume is worthy. (especially if we get to another final four next season) ;)

Yes, but I see no way we get to a final four next year. Still won't have a true point guard. At this point I just want a tournament win.