Adenhart (Angels) Killed after game in wreck

[erik316wttn]

DUI punishments (for just a general DUI) are definitely too lax imo. In most states it takes a third offense to really get in serious, serious trouble. A first offense in most places is usually a lose of license for 90 days, or less, depending on the judge and other circumstances. I'd prefer to see us go in a more hardline route such as in Germany where a first offense is usually a lose of the license for a year (travel for work being the exception).

True, and I completely agree with you, but as one of my professors noted, stricter regulations might not deter people who are already risking their own life and the lives of others by choosing to drive drunk. If you're dumb and drunk enough to drive under the influence in the first place, you're probably not thinking logically about consequences anyway.

 

True, but harsher penalties would keep these people off the streets longer once caught, improving public safety.

 

I really don't know why any politician of note hasn't fought like hell for uber-strict drunnk driving laws. Anyone who opposes it will have it used against them endlessly the next time they run for re-election.

[shnsajax]

Just saw the press conference with Boras, that was brutal to watch. Hopefully the cops beat the living #$%^ out of this guy when they caught him on foot with no camera's around to catch it.

[CubbieBum]

This totally unnerved me today. I saw what he did last night and looked into trying to trade for him in the NSBB Premier League. I then went to bed. The read email first thing in the morning and the first one I saw was a link to the story of his death. I went to bed thinking I would like to have him on my team and woke up to find he was dead. His dad was also in town for the game.

 

 

 

I think my dad said it best when I called and told him: "At least he did well last night and his parents can have that proud moment to remember him by."

[hawkeyecub]

The guys who think it's okay to drive on .09 aren't usually going to stop at .09.

 

The law is there, obey it, end of story.

 

Not necessarily.

 

If I have more than a couple drinks or feel impaired in the slightest bit, I call a cab. Basically I call a cab anytime I go out.

 

But after using a sample breathalyzer, I am sure there have been many times where I unwittingly drove right around a .08-.10. Studies have been extremely inconclusive at best when it comes to that range.

 

I mean 1 stronger than expected margarita with a Mexican meal and you're at that level. Most likely you do not feel much impairment.

 

If you want to steepen drunk driving penalties for habitual offenders, I'm with you. If you want to steepen them on general principle, I want to know what you plan to do for people caught talking on cell phones, eating, texting, applying makeup, etc...

[CubsWin]

Saddest baseball related news I can remember. Maybe since Munson or even Clemente. Such a shame. Was completely shocked and moved to tears at the news. Unbelievable.

[Rob]

I heard tonight that the driver was an illegal immigrant... is this true? Does it make a difference?

[CubbieBum]

I heard tonight that the driver was an illegal immigrant... is this true? Does it make a difference?

 

No. He will go to jail for manslaughter/murder (not sure which it is in drunk driving cases) no matter what. He could spend his time in jail in Mexico though. For one it saves us the bill of feeding him and for two Mexican prisons are harsh.

[Irrelevant Dude]

This is a really sad story. What makes it especially sad is the contrast between Adenhart's performance and how he went from probably one of the happiest days in his life to being gone a few hours later. I wish the best to his family, friends, and teammates.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hopefully the cops beat the living #$%^ out of this guy when they caught him on foot with no camera's around to catch it.

 

i really hope that didn't happen.

[Guest]

Hopefully the cops beat the living #$%^ out of this guy when they caught him on foot with no camera's around to catch it.

 

i really hope that didn't happen.

 

Yeah, no kidding. Southern California police are famous for doing something stupid and allowing the criminal to walk.

[Guest]

I heard tonight that the driver was an illegal immigrant... is this true? Does it make a difference?

 

I find that hard to believe. He had a driver's license that was previously suspended for DUI.

[jersey cubs fan]

The guys who think it's okay to drive on .09 aren't usually going to stop at .09.

 

The law is there, obey it, end of story.

 

Not necessarily.

 

If I have more than a couple drinks or feel impaired in the slightest bit, I call a cab. Basically I call a cab anytime I go out.

 

But after using a sample breathalyzer, I am sure there have been many times where I unwittingly drove right around a .08-.10. Studies have been extremely inconclusive at best when it comes to that range.

 

I mean 1 stronger than expected margarita with a Mexican meal and you're at that level. Most likely you do not feel much impairment.

 

If you want to steepen drunk driving penalties for habitual offenders, I'm with you. If you want to steepen them on general principle, I want to know what you plan to do for people caught talking on cell phones, eating, texting, applying makeup, etc...

 

The "I can handle it" defense is incredibly weak. Clearly you are an habitual offender. The fact that you haven't been caught doesn't change it. Quit being such a selfish bastard and stop driving when you drink.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The guys who think it's okay to drive on .09 aren't usually going to stop at .09.

 

The law is there, obey it, end of story.

 

Not necessarily.

 

If I have more than a couple drinks or feel impaired in the slightest bit, I call a cab. Basically I call a cab anytime I go out.

 

But after using a sample breathalyzer, I am sure there have been many times where I unwittingly drove right around a .08-.10. Studies have been extremely inconclusive at best when it comes to that range.

 

I mean 1 stronger than expected margarita with a Mexican meal and you're at that level. Most likely you do not feel much impairment.

 

If you want to steepen drunk driving penalties for habitual offenders, I'm with you. If you want to steepen them on general principle, I want to know what you plan to do for people caught talking on cell phones, eating, texting, applying makeup, etc...

 

 

This makes you a bad person.

[hawkeyecub]

The guys who think it's okay to drive on .09 aren't usually going to stop at .09.

 

The law is there, obey it, end of story.

 

Not necessarily.

 

If I have more than a couple drinks or feel impaired in the slightest bit, I call a cab. Basically I call a cab anytime I go out.

 

But after using a sample breathalyzer, I am sure there have been many times where I unwittingly drove right around a .08-.10. Studies have been extremely inconclusive at best when it comes to that range.

 

I mean 1 stronger than expected margarita with a Mexican meal and you're at that level. Most likely you do not feel much impairment.

 

If you want to steepen drunk driving penalties for habitual offenders, I'm with you. If you want to steepen them on general principle, I want to know what you plan to do for people caught talking on cell phones, eating, texting, applying makeup, etc...

 

The "I can handle it" defense is incredibly weak. Clearly you are an habitual offender. The fact that you haven't been caught doesn't change it. Quit being such a selfish bastard and stop driving when you drink.

 

Right, because that's precisely what I was saying. You completely missed the point.

 

The only times I ever drive after drinking are if I've had 2 or less normal sized beers with a meal or one beer after golf with an associate/client. If I'm a selfish bastard and habitual offender for thinking I can handle 1 beer without being impaired at 6'3, 205 then so be it. But as someone who drinks, you should know that 1 stinking beer is not an impairment. Nor are two beers for someone my size in a period longer than an hour, with a meal. However depending on how it is metabolized there is a very short period where it could cause me to blow .08 and then back down to .06 minutes later. Now perhaps with the blood test at the station it could be waived, but not always.

 

The point wasn't about me, it's about where the legal levels are set. Every day in America there are probably 100 people arrested who blow between .08-.10 and in many cases just because they blow in the wrong 5-10 minute period. Look at what the studies and research show the impairment is at that level. The only reason it was lowered was because of politicians who caved to M.A.D.D.

 

If you have zero tolerance for anyone who consumes the slightest bit of alcohol and chooses to drive, great. If you want to steepen the penalties for all cases, I just want to know what you have planned for people who make the conscious choice to do other tasks while driving with cause even more impairment.

For people in that extreme low range of the legal limit, they have tested to shown no more impairment than cell phone talkers or eaters. LESS impairment than drivers applying makeup, texting or driving on very little sleep.

 

I've been hired to drink beer, do other tasks and test drive simulators at the National Advanced Driving Simulator at UI (yes, NADS). I'm not pulling this stuff out of nowhere and not trying to say drunk driving is no problem.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If I'm a selfish bastard and habitual offender for thinking I can handle 1 beer without being impaired at 6'3, 205 then so be it.

 

As long as you are cool with it, I guess we can agree.

[hawkeyecub]

If I'm a selfish bastard and habitual offender for thinking I can handle 1 beer without being impaired at 6'3, 205 then so be it.

 

As long as you are cool with it, I guess we can agree.

 

LOL.

 

I love it when people completely ignore a long post and pick out one line like that without substance. Then again I guess I would be argumentative and bitter if I were a journalist today and living in North Dakota.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If I'm a selfish bastard and habitual offender for thinking I can handle 1 beer without being impaired at 6'3, 205 then so be it.

 

As long as you are cool with it, I guess we can agree.

 

LOL.

 

I love it when people completely ignore a long post and pick out one line like that without substance. Then again I guess I would be argumentative and bitter if I were a journalist today and living in North Dakota.

 

 

There was no substance to pick out. It was a long, self-serving trail of BS that more or less argued that you get to decide which people's lives to take into your hands and which you don't.

 

(neither argumentative nor bitter. Quite happy. Maybe judgmental, but that's one of the side-effects of being right).

 

I don't for a minute trust your judgment on your own driving ability or your own level of impairment. And I look forward to the day you get caught.

[soapy]

If I'm a selfish bastard and habitual offender for thinking I can handle 1 beer without being impaired at 6'3, 205 then so be it.

 

As long as you are cool with it, I guess we can agree.

 

LOL.

 

I love it when people completely ignore a long post and pick out one line like that without substance. Then again I guess I would be argumentative and bitter if I were a journalist today and living in North Dakota.

 

 

There was no substance to pick out. It was a long, self-serving trail of BS that more or less argued that you get to decide which people's lives to take into your hands and which you don't.

 

(neither argumentative nor bitter. Quite happy. Maybe judgmental, but that's one of the side-effects of being right).

 

I don't for a minute trust your judgment on your own driving ability or your own level of impairment. And I look forward to the day you get caught.

 

i don't see how someone clocking in at 205 driving after one beer is taking anyone's life into one's hands. that's insane.

 

i thought he clearly said when if/when he drinks anymore than that he doesn't drive.

[David]

 

There was no substance to pick out. It was a long, self-serving trail of BS that more or less argued that you get to decide which people's lives to take into your hands and which you don't.

 

(neither argumentative nor bitter. Quite happy. Maybe judgmental, but that's one of the side-effects of being right).

 

I don't for a minute trust your judgment on your own driving ability or your own level of impairment. And I look forward to the day you get caught.

 

 

So you're calling for zero tolerance, basically? One beer = shouldn't be legal to drive? Because, the laws, in practice, pretty much require/allow people to use their judgment to some extent.

[hawkeyecub]

If I'm a selfish bastard and habitual offender for thinking I can handle 1 beer without being impaired at 6'3, 205 then so be it.

 

As long as you are cool with it, I guess we can agree.

 

LOL.

 

I love it when people completely ignore a long post and pick out one line like that without substance. Then again I guess I would be argumentative and bitter if I were a journalist today and living in North Dakota.

 

 

There was no substance to pick out. It was a long, self-serving trail of BS that more or less argued that you get to decide which people's lives to take into your hands and which you don't.

 

(neither argumentative nor bitter. Quite happy. Maybe judgmental, but that's one of the side-effects of being right).

 

I don't for a minute trust your judgment on your own driving ability or your own level of impairment. And I look forward to the day you get caught.

 

i don't see how someone clocking in at 205 driving after one beer is taking anyone's life into one's hands. that's insane.

 

i thought he clearly said when if/when he drinks anymore than that he doesn't drive.

 

There's no place for reason in this thread. You're a bad person.

 

Honestly if you think after one beer I'm significantly impaired and taking other's lives into my own hands, there are clearly no actual facts that will alter your opinion.

 

I wasn't trying to be self-serving, I was going out of my way to explain myself. I consider myself pretty well-informed on the topic because of the work I've done with NADS (yes I have worked with NADS) and was trying to bring reason into the argument based on factual research. You don't want to hear it.

You and goony think anyone who drives after 1 beer will also use the "I'm fine, I can handle it" argument with more. That's not true in my case whether you believe it or not, which really doesn't matter.

[soapy]

 

There was no substance to pick out. It was a long, self-serving trail of BS that more or less argued that you get to decide which people's lives to take into your hands and which you don't.

 

(neither argumentative nor bitter. Quite happy. Maybe judgmental, but that's one of the side-effects of being right).

 

I don't for a minute trust your judgment on your own driving ability or your own level of impairment. And I look forward to the day you get caught.

 

i don't see how someone clocking in at 205 driving after one beer is taking anyone's life into one's hands. that's insane.

 

i thought he clearly said when if/when he drinks anymore than that he doesn't drive.

 

There's no place for reason in this thread. You're a bad person.

 

Honestly if you think after one beer I'm significantly impaired and taking other's lives into my own hands, there are clearly no actual facts that will alter your opinion.

 

I wasn't trying to be self-serving, I was going out of my way to explain myself. I consider myself pretty well-informed on the topic because of the work I've done with NADS (yes I have worked with NADS) and was trying to bring reason into the argument based on factual research. You don't want to hear it.

You and goony think anyone who drives after 1 beer will also use the "I'm fine, I can handle it" argument with more. That's not true in my case whether you believe it or not, which really doesn't matter.

 

i'm confused. you're quoting my post and saying "you and goony", but i was pretty much defending you.

[Bote McBoteface]

I'll drive after one or two beers. The law is .08, and one or two doesn't put you over .08, so the people who are arguing that you're endangering lives don't particularly know what they're talking about. Any more than one or two and I don't drive unless I wait long enough for any impairment to go away.

 

I have, however, been the passenger of a drunk driver many times. Two of them got DUIs, one blew .154 like 3 hours after they stopped drinking. The other blew barely over the limit, .10something.

[Sosa21MVP]

 

There was no substance to pick out. It was a long, self-serving trail of BS that more or less argued that you get to decide which people's lives to take into your hands and which you don't.

 

(neither argumentative nor bitter. Quite happy. Maybe judgmental, but that's one of the side-effects of being right).

 

I don't for a minute trust your judgment on your own driving ability or your own level of impairment. And I look forward to the day you get caught.

 

 

So you're calling for zero tolerance, basically? One beer = shouldn't be legal to drive? Because, the laws, in practice, pretty much require/allow people to use their judgment to some extent.

 

Also if you drive over the speed limit sober you are a bad person taking people's life into your own hands too. Kyle lives in a world of strict absolutes. :thumbsup:

[David]

I'll drive after one or two beers. The law is .08, and one or two doesn't put you over .08, so the people who are arguing that you're endangering lives don't particularly know what they're talking about. Any more than one or two and I don't drive unless I wait long enough for any impairment to go away.

 

I have, however, been the passenger of a drunk driver many times. Two of them got DUIs, one blew .154 like 3 hours after they stopped drinking. The other blew barely over the limit, .10something.

 

 

This isn't necessarily true either. Depends on the person. Some would be impaired enough to endanger people below .08. The fact that the law is set there doesn't mean that everybody fits into that mold. I'm pretty sure you can get into trouble for driving below the legal limit if you're deemed to be impaired.

Edited April 10, 2009 by David

[Clem Fandango]

Did anyone see Boras' reaction at the press conference where he was crying? I don't think I'm buying his performance