Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Soul]

Deadline. See how it goes with our current rotation, give new ownership time to mull it over if the need is there.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Deadline. See how it goes with our current rotation, give new ownership time to mull it over if the need is there.

 

:amen:

[cubswin2009]

Ben Sheets in the answer for our #5 SP situation. Just wait a few weeks and when he gets desperate sign him to a cheap deal. If he goes down then we have Marshall, Shark, and Gaudin waiting in the wings.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Ben Sheets in the answer for our #5 SP situation. Just wait a few weeks and when he gets desperate sign him to a cheap deal. If he goes down then we have Marshall, Shark, and Gaudin waiting in the wings.

 

 

This.

[UMFan83]

Ben Sheets in the answer for our #5 SP situation. Just wait a few weeks and when he gets desperate sign him to a cheap deal. If he goes down then we have Marshall, Shark, and Gaudin waiting in the wings.

 

 

This.

 

Normally, I'd agree with this line of thinking, but if you add Sheets, that's 3 potential injuries waiting to happen in the rotation (Harden and sadly Zambrano are the others). Also you have to consider the amount of innings Dempster threw last year vs. the previous 3. While it seems great to say we have Marshall if one goes down if 2-3 of them go down, we are all the sudden looking much less formidable.

[nilodnayr]

Ben Sheets in the answer for our #5 SP situation. Just wait a few weeks and when he gets desperate sign him to a cheap deal. If he goes down then we have Marshall, Shark, and Gaudin waiting in the wings.

 

 

This.

 

Normally, I'd agree with this line of thinking, but if you add Sheets, that's 3 potential injuries waiting to happen in the rotation (Harden and sadly Zambrano are the others). Also you have to consider the amount of innings Dempster threw last year vs. the previous 3. While it seems great to say we have Marshall if one goes down if 2-3 of them go down, we are all the sudden looking much less formidable.

 

Also, you'd have to think that if hes coming on a somewhat cheap deal, he'd just stay with the Brewers. They are still in on him and would probably match anything we'd offer.

[17 Seconds]

Ben Sheets in the answer for our #5 SP situation. Just wait a few weeks and when he gets desperate sign him to a cheap deal. If he goes down then we have Marshall, Shark, and Gaudin waiting in the wings.

 

 

This.

 

Normally, I'd agree with this line of thinking, but if you add Sheets, that's 3 potential injuries waiting to happen in the rotation (Harden and sadly Zambrano are the others). Also you have to consider the amount of innings Dempster threw last year vs. the previous 3. While it seems great to say we have Marshall if one goes down if 2-3 of them go down, we are all the sudden looking much less formidable.

 

Also, you'd have to think that if hes coming on a somewhat cheap deal, he'd just stay with the Brewers. They are still in on him and would probably match anything we'd offer.

 

Brewers fans seem to think bridges have been burned between Sheets and the Brewers

[Bote McBoteface]

Ben Sheets in the answer for our #5 SP situation. Just wait a few weeks and when he gets desperate sign him to a cheap deal. If he goes down then we have Marshall, Shark, and Gaudin waiting in the wings.

 

 

This.

 

Normally, I'd agree with this line of thinking, but if you add Sheets, that's 3 potential injuries waiting to happen in the rotation (Harden and sadly Zambrano are the others). Also you have to consider the amount of innings Dempster threw last year vs. the previous 3. While it seems great to say we have Marshall if one goes down if 2-3 of them go down, we are all the sudden looking much less formidable.

 

 

I don't really think you can build your team around the notion of "What happens if 3 of my pitchers get injured at the same time?"

[UMFan83]

Ben Sheets in the answer for our #5 SP situation. Just wait a few weeks and when he gets desperate sign him to a cheap deal. If he goes down then we have Marshall, Shark, and Gaudin waiting in the wings.

 

 

This.

 

Normally, I'd agree with this line of thinking, but if you add Sheets, that's 3 potential injuries waiting to happen in the rotation (Harden and sadly Zambrano are the others). Also you have to consider the amount of innings Dempster threw last year vs. the previous 3. While it seems great to say we have Marshall if one goes down if 2-3 of them go down, we are all the sudden looking much less formidable.

 

 

I don't really think you can build your team around the notion of "What happens if 3 of my pitchers get injured at the same time?"

 

Sounds like something people would say about Wood and Prior circa 2005. How well did that work out for us? Harden and Sheets have been injured in every year of their careers (just about). Zambrano showed signs of wear and tear on his arm that lead to small injuries and ineffectiveness in the second half of last year. I'm just saying adding another injury prone pitcher to the rotation is a bad idea because it increases the odds that we will have to go 7-8 deep in our starting rotation.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Normally, I'd agree with this line of thinking, but if you add Sheets, that's 3 potential injuries waiting to happen in the rotation (Harden and sadly Zambrano are the others). Also you have to consider the amount of innings Dempster threw last year vs. the previous 3. While it seems great to say we have Marshall if one goes down if 2-3 of them go down, we are all the sudden looking much less formidable.

 

Lets not forget Lilly and Dempster or any multitude of our bullpen.

 

The cubs will be lucky to have three pitchers standing by June.

[Post Count Padder]

10:37pm: Kevin Towers said tonight the Braves made a good offer for Peavy a few months ago, but it was unclear whether Peavy would approve a trade there. He also said a proposal from the Cubs "would fill several holes" on the Padres' roster. Peavy's agent Barry Axelrod says a framework was in place with the Cubs at the Winter Meetings but they were "trying to fill out that framework" by acquiring some pieces.

[Cubswin11]

10:37pm: Kevin Towers said tonight the Braves made a good offer for Peavy a few months ago, but it was unclear whether Peavy would approve a trade there. He also said a proposal from the Cubs "would fill several holes" on the Padres' roster. Peavy's agent Barry Axelrod says a framework was in place with the Cubs at the Winter Meetings but they were "trying to fill out that framework" by acquiring some pieces.

Ugh I read that too, this is truly Brian Roberts Part II. There is no way this deal is going to die for the remainder of the offseason. Hopefully the outcome is better this time...

[cubsfan26]

Even now, with Hoffman seemingly out the door, the Padres remain open to trading Peavy, whose salary would chew up nearly 30 percent of the 2009 payroll, as long as it makes baseball sense. Towers has said a much-discussed proposal from the Cubs “would fill several holes” on the roster.

 

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/07/padres-towers-no-money-for-hoffman/?padres

 

 

This is the first time in a while, I have felt pretty good about a potential Peavy deal. The fact that Hendry basically has his roster in place, and has spare parts like Pie, Cedeno, Stevens or Wuertz or Guzman or Hart around. Add those guys with Vitters, Castillo, Atkins and others with a third team getting involved we might be able to get something done. Hendry/Towers are pretty good friends, and other then adding a SP pitcher, and getting ride of some spare parts, Hendry offseason is basically done. Making a Peavy deal could get both things done at once.

 

 

 

 

I'm also starting to wonder what the Phillies were really gonna trade to get DeRosa(maybe it wasn't Happ). It's possible that they were planning on giving up simliar talent we got from the Indians, and trading DeRosa was just to get his salary off the books. The fact that we have our RF now, got DeRosa/Marquis salary off the books, and got guys like Gathright/Miles for the bench. That puts us in a better postion to get a Peavy deal done. Depending on how much Bradley salary is backloaded or not, the Cubs payroll is current around the 140m range. Maybe they can get the Padres to take 2m of Vizcaino salary, and trade Wuertz to clear 3-3.5m of more salary. I still think we will have to wait until we know who the knew owner is, but hopefully that comes next week sometime.

[cubswin2009]

10:37pm: Kevin Towers said tonight the Braves made a good offer for Peavy a few months ago, but it was unclear whether Peavy would approve a trade there. He also said a proposal from the Cubs "would fill several holes" on the Padres' roster. Peavy's agent Barry Axelrod says a framework was in place with the Cubs at the Winter Meetings but they were "trying to fill out that framework" by acquiring some pieces.

Ugh I read that too, this is truly Brian Roberts Part II. There is no way this deal is going to die for the remainder of the offseason. Hopefully the outcome is better this time...

It's probably going to end the same way. :(

[CUBZ99]

Even now, with Hoffman seemingly out the door, the Padres remain open to trading Peavy, whose salary would chew up nearly 30 percent of the 2009 payroll, as long as it makes baseball sense. Towers has said a much-discussed proposal from the Cubs “would fill several holes” on the roster.

 

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/07/padres-towers-no-money-for-hoffman/?padres

 

 

This is the first time in a while, I have felt pretty good about a potential Peavy deal. The fact that Hendry basically has his roster in place, and has spare parts like Pie, Cedeno, Stevens or Wuertz or Guzman or Hart around. Add those guys with Vitters, Castillo, Atkins and others with a third team getting involved we might be able to get something done. Hendry/Towers are pretty good friends, and other then adding a SP pitcher, and getting ride of some spare parts, Hendry offseason is basically done. Making a Peavy deal could get both things done at once.

 

 

 

 

I'm also starting to wonder what the Phillies were really gonna trade to get DeRosa(maybe it wasn't Happ). It's possible that they were planning on giving up simliar talent we got from the Indians, and trading DeRosa was just to get his salary off the books. The fact that we have our RF now, got DeRosa/Marquis salary off the books, and got guys like Gathright/Miles for the bench. That puts us in a better postion to get a Peavy deal done. Depending on how much Bradley salary is backloaded or not, the Cubs payroll is current around the 140m range. Maybe they can get the Padres to take 2m of Vizcaino salary, and trade Wuertz to clear 3-3.5m of more salary. I still think we will have to wait until we know who the knew owner is, but hopefully that comes next week sometime.

 

I don't think Hendry would have made the moves so far, if he didn't believe he would end up with Peavy. Talk about pressure on the new owner, the news so far is that Hendry is waiting for the new owner to get approval to add Peavy's salary for 2010 and beyond. If the new owner is chosen and this deal doesn't happen, most Cub fans are going to believe the commitment to winning isn't there. Kudos to Hendry.

[17 Seconds]

Bruce Miles

 

There have been and will be a lot of pitchers' names thrown out there as Cubs GM Jim Hendry continues his shopping. If the Cubs go outside the organization, I'd still put my money on Hendry somehow landing Jake Peavy from the Padres, unless the new San Diego ownership pledges to spend money and keep Peavy.

 

Here are some other names:

 

--Derek Lowe. The Cubs got an eyeful of Lowe in Game 1 of the NLDS last October, as Lowe picked up the victory by going 6 innings. Lowe is a groundball pitcher who might look nice at Wrigley Field. His groundout-to-air-out ratio of 2.48 ranked second in the NL to Brandon Webb's ridiculous 3.13. However, at 35, Lowe is older than anybody currently on the Cubs' roster. I doubt the Cubs would go out two or three years at the dough Lowe feels he can command.

 

--Andy Pettitte. Possible, but he hasn't been the subject of intense internal discussions at Wrigley. He's still probably looking for more than what the Cubs want to pay.

 

--Tim Redding. Tim Redding? Forget about it. The Cubs would be better off giving the ball to Chad Gaudin as a starter.

 

--Ben Sheets. The Cubs have seen Sheets about 874 times in all of those games against the Brewers. Despite making 31 starts last year, Sheets' injury history has teams wary. The Cubs probably wouldn't mind a one-year deal, but they'd lose a top draft pick for signing Sheets to any kind of a deal. Sheets might be the most interesting name out there that nobody's mentioned, but I don't see it happening with the Cubs.

 

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1203

[RynoRules]

I'd give Lowe two years with a mutual option for a third. Not sure how much money I'd give him though.

[rchap24]

I'd give Lowe two years with a mutual option for a third. Not sure how much money I'd give him though.

 

I'd give him 2 years 10mil with a mutual option for the third....the guy is extremely reliable, is a proven winner, and would work nicely with his sinker in Wrigley.

 

My second option would be Sheets for 7mil for one year. Kind of like the Penny deal

[Bull]

I'd give Lowe two years with a mutual option for a third. Not sure how much money I'd give him though.

 

I'd give him 2 years 10mil with a mutual option for the third....the guy is extremely reliable, is a proven winner, and would work nicely with his sinker in Wrigley.

 

My second option would be Sheets for 7mil for one year. Kind of like the Penny deal

 

Gotta love those proven winners. Having Edmonds on the team guaranteed a WS win last year.

 

That said, I'd love to have Lowe.

[Sever82]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-mitchelljan08,0,1130535.column

 

Nothing new but just some quotes from Axelrod, Moorad and Towers. Basicallty to sum up the article, the peavy trade seems possible but will depend heavily on the ownership situations on both franchises. Axelrod gives Hendry plenty of compliments and just notes that hendry is the type of GM that makes things work. Towers sounded like he wasn't sure if the new SD owner group would keep peavy or not. So its starting to look in my opinion that the peavy situation depends more on who the new owner of the padres is than who the new owner of the cubs is.

[Banedon]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-mitchelljan08,0,1130535.column

 

Nothing new but just some quotes from Axelrod, Moorad and Towers. Basicallty to sum up the article, the peavy trade seems possible but will depend heavily on the ownership situations on both franchises. Axelrod gives Hendry plenty of compliments and just notes that hendry is the type of GM that makes things work. Towers sounded like he wasn't sure if the new SD owner group would keep peavy or not. So its starting to look in my opinion that the peavy situation depends more on who the new owner of the padres is than who the new owner of the cubs is.

 

 

That article annoyed me. He took a long time to say nothing except "A Peavy deal would be complicated"....No kidding???

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-mitchelljan08,0,1130535.column

 

Nothing new but just some quotes from Axelrod, Moorad and Towers. Basicallty to sum up the article, the peavy trade seems possible but will depend heavily on the ownership situations on both franchises. Axelrod gives Hendry plenty of compliments and just notes that hendry is the type of GM that makes things work. Towers sounded like he wasn't sure if the new SD owner group would keep peavy or not. So its starting to look in my opinion that the peavy situation depends more on who the new owner of the padres is than who the new owner of the cubs is.

 

 

That article annoyed me. He took a long time to say nothing except "A Peavy deal would be complicated"....No kidding???

 

That's the Fred Mitchell way.

[BigbadB]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-mitchelljan08,0,1130535.column

 

Nothing new but just some quotes from Axelrod, Moorad and Towers. Basicallty to sum up the article, the peavy trade seems possible but will depend heavily on the ownership situations on both franchises. Axelrod gives Hendry plenty of compliments and just notes that hendry is the type of GM that makes things work. Towers sounded like he wasn't sure if the new SD owner group would keep peavy or not. So its starting to look in my opinion that the peavy situation depends more on who the new owner of the padres is than who the new owner of the cubs is.

 

I think this really comes down to Peavy. The Padres dangled him and I think he officially wants out. Peavy's contract extension was based on the Padres staying competitive. I wouldn't be surprised if Peavy forces the trade to the Cubs.

 

I've held firm all offseason that this deal will happen. I'm also expecting it to happen sooner now than later. Both teams still have work to do if Peavy isn't going anywhere, and less and less players will be available to either team the longer this deal takes.

[nilodnayr]

I'd give Lowe two years with a mutual option for a third. Not sure how much money I'd give him though.

 

I'd give him 2 years 10mil with a mutual option for the third....the guy is extremely reliable, is a proven winner, and would work nicely with his sinker in Wrigley.

 

My second option would be Sheets for 7mil for one year. Kind of like the Penny deal

 

And you'd get neither because they both will have bigger offers out there from competitive teams that they want to play on.

[JeffH]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-mitchelljan08,0,1130535.column

 

Nothing new but just some quotes from Axelrod, Moorad and Towers. Basicallty to sum up the article, the peavy trade seems possible but will depend heavily on the ownership situations on both franchises. Axelrod gives Hendry plenty of compliments and just notes that hendry is the type of GM that makes things work. Towers sounded like he wasn't sure if the new SD owner group would keep peavy or not. So its starting to look in my opinion that the peavy situation depends more on who the new owner of the padres is than who the new owner of the cubs is.

 

I think this really comes down to Peavy. The Padres dangled him and I think he officially wants out. Peavy's contract extension was based on the Padres staying competitive. I wouldn't be surprised if Peavy forces the trade to the Cubs.

 

I've held firm all offseason that this deal will happen. I'm also expecting it to happen sooner now than later. Both teams still have work to do if Peavy isn't going anywhere, and less and less players will be available to either team the longer this deal takes.

 

How would he do that?