Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[David]

I really don't mind Marshall or Samardzija in the fifth spot.

 

I think the disappointing part of the offseason is realizing that the 97-win team was pretty much doomed to take a step back.

 

The silver lining is that it doesn't really matter all that much, though.

[UMFan83]

I really don't mind Marshall or Samardzija in the fifth spot.

 

I think the disappointing part of the offseason is realizing that the 97-win team was pretty much doomed to take a step back.

 

Meh, Brewers have probably taken a much bigger step back than us, and the only team in the division that I think has improved to have even a faint shot of competing with the Brewers/Cubs is the Cardinals, but I don't think either Milwaukee or St. Louis can compete with us over 162 games.

 

Crazier things have happened though...

[rchap24]

I really don't mind Marshall or Samardzija in the fifth spot.

 

I think the disappointing part of the offseason is realizing that the 97-win team was pretty much doomed to take a step back.

 

Meh, Brewers have probably taken a much bigger step back than us, and the only team in the division that I think has improved to have even a faint shot of competing with the Brewers/Cubs is the Cardinals, but I don't think either Milwaukee or St. Louis can compete with us over 162 games.

 

Crazier things have happened though...

 

We took a step back possibly, but like he said I feel like everyone in our division took a step back as well especially the Brewers

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The team that scares me is the Cardinals.

 

When you have Albert Pujols, all you have to do is squeeze some average-osity out of the other 24 guys and hope for some good luck to get you to 90 wins.

[jersey cubs fan]

The team that scares me is the Cardinals.

 

When you have Albert Pujols, all you have to do is squeeze some average-osity out of the other 24 guys and hope for some good luck to get you to 90 wins.

 

They've done all already and haven't gotten to 90 wins in 4 years. They need more Pujols, average-osity and luck to get to 90.

[UMFan83]

The team that scares me is the Cardinals.

 

When you have Albert Pujols, all you have to do is squeeze some average-osity out of the other 24 guys and hope for some good luck to get you to 90 wins.

 

They've done all already and haven't gotten to 90 wins in 4 years. They need more Pujols, average-osity and luck to get to 90.

 

They still have major issues. But the Cubs are the class of the division. Most talent, most depth. We're not talking about favorites, we are talking about teams that can give the Cubs a run for their money. With a few breaks (Meph being right about Greene, Carp and Wainwright being healthy, Lohse keeping it up, Rasmus being a ROY candidate) they can be close enough to the Cubs where a couple of bad breaks (Harden/Zambrano/Bradley injuries, regressions from Soto/Fontenot, etc) can make the division competitive.

 

That's a lot of what ifs, but its worth discussing, and like I said, crazier things have happened)

[Blue W]

I think we all have a mental block about the Cardinals. They're really not that good. They waaaaaay overachieved last year and faded fast down the stretch. We always assume the worst out of them but I think it's based on a lifetime of experience and not the realities of their team today.

 

Of course, that doesn't mean I'd bet against them. :-))

[UMFan83]

I think we all have a mental block about the Cardinals. They're really not that good. They waaaaaay overachieved last year and faded fast down the stretch. We always assume the worst out of them but I think it's based on a lifetime of experience and not the realities of their team today.

 

Of course, that doesn't mean I'd bet against them. :-))

 

As much as I hate to admit it, they are a well coached team and they have a really good pitching coach, so even a Cardinals team with less talent is one to worry about. Pujols + LaRussa + Duncan + 24 other average players = at least a 78-84 win team. A few breaks and they win more.

[rchap24]

Is it just me or does this make even less sense for the Brewers...Though it's just Rothensal's opinion:

 

Rosenthal On Fielder, Buchholz, Edmonds

By Tim Dierkes [January 9 at 8:54am CST]

 

The latest from Ken Rosenthal...

 

* Rosenthal suggests the Brewers trade Prince Fielder for "premium pitching" and then sign Adam Dunn to replace him. Which begs the question, why wouldn't the team giving up this premium pitching just sign Dunn instead?

 

Besides the point yeah the Cardinals scare me a little more than any other team

[jersey cubs fan]

Is it just me or does this make even less sense for the Brewers...Though it's just Rothensal's opinion:

 

Rosenthal On Fielder, Buchholz, Edmonds

By Tim Dierkes [January 9 at 8:54am CST]

 

The latest from Ken Rosenthal...

 

* Rosenthal suggests the Brewers trade Prince Fielder for "premium pitching" and then sign Adam Dunn to replace him. Which begs the question, why wouldn't the team giving up this premium pitching just sign Dunn instead?

Besides the point yeah the Cardinals scare me a little more than any other team

 

It's a fair point. However, there's got to be multiple teams that would look at Dunn, with all the strikeouts, low average and no playoff appearances, and prefer a guy like Fielder who is pre-free agency, has 30 points in average and 30-60 fewer strikeouts.

[rchap24]

Is it just me or does this make even less sense for the Brewers...Though it's just Rothensal's opinion:

 

Rosenthal On Fielder, Buchholz, Edmonds

By Tim Dierkes [January 9 at 8:54am CST]

 

The latest from Ken Rosenthal...

 

* Rosenthal suggests the Brewers trade Prince Fielder for "premium pitching" and then sign Adam Dunn to replace him. Which begs the question, why wouldn't the team giving up this premium pitching just sign Dunn instead?

Besides the point yeah the Cardinals scare me a little more than any other team

 

It's a fair point. However, there's got to be multiple teams that would look at Dunn, with all the strikeouts, low average and no playoff appearances, and prefer a guy like Fielder who is pre-free agency, has 30 points in average and 30-60 fewer strikeouts.

 

I feel like neither guy would be that big of a difference see he obviously made a good point about just saying to sign Dunn rather than trade for Fielder

[Exile on Waveland]

Is it just me or does this make even less sense for the Brewers...Though it's just Rothensal's opinion:

 

Rosenthal On Fielder, Buchholz, Edmonds

By Tim Dierkes [January 9 at 8:54am CST]

 

The latest from Ken Rosenthal...

 

* Rosenthal suggests the Brewers trade Prince Fielder for "premium pitching" and then sign Adam Dunn to replace him. Which begs the question, why wouldn't the team giving up this premium pitching just sign Dunn instead?

Besides the point yeah the Cardinals scare me a little more than any other team

 

It's a fair point. However, there's got to be multiple teams that would look at Dunn, with all the strikeouts, low average and no playoff appearances, and prefer a guy like Fielder who is pre-free agency, has 30 points in average and 30-60 fewer strikeouts.

 

It would be a fair point if he didn't incorrectly use the phrase "begs the questions."

[biittner77]

I wonder if anyone thinks Fielder is worth a premium pitcher. His weight probably scares a lot of teams.

[Banedon]

It's a fair point. However, there's got to be multiple teams that would look at Dunn, with all the strikeouts, low average and no playoff appearances, and prefer a guy like Fielder who is pre-free agency, has 30 points in average and 30-60 fewer strikeouts.

 

Prefer him enough to give up "premium pitching"? Maybe...but I think those teams are probably nuts.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's a fair point. However, there's got to be multiple teams that would look at Dunn, with all the strikeouts, low average and no playoff appearances, and prefer a guy like Fielder who is pre-free agency, has 30 points in average and 30-60 fewer strikeouts.

 

Prefer him enough to give up "premium pitching"? Maybe...but I think those teams are probably nuts.

 

I guess it depends what sort of premium pitching, and what type of team. A lower market team with pitcher approaching free agency might be interested, especially if they had no offense but decent pitching. Some teams refuse to give out longterm deals to pitchers, but will sign position players.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think we all have a mental block about the Cardinals. They're really not that good. They waaaaaay overachieved last year and faded fast down the stretch. We always assume the worst out of them but I think it's based on a lifetime of experience and not the realities of their team today.

 

Of course, that doesn't mean I'd bet against them. :-))

 

I think "scare" is the wrong term, maybe. If someone came back from the future and told me the Cubs didn't win the 2009 NL Central title, my best guess as to who beat them would be the Cardinals. But I don't expect it to happen.

[Clem Fandango]

I think we all have a mental block about the Cardinals. They're really not that good. They waaaaaay overachieved last year and faded fast down the stretch. We always assume the worst out of them but I think it's based on a lifetime of experience and not the realities of their team today.

 

Of course, that doesn't mean I'd bet against them. :-))

 

I think "scare" is the wrong term, maybe. If someone came back from the future and told me the Cubs didn't win the 2009 NL Central title, my best guess as to who beat them would be the Cardinals. But I don't expect it to happen.

 

As well you shouldn't. Time travel is impossible

[BleacherBadger]

I think we all have a mental block about the Cardinals. They're really not that good. They waaaaaay overachieved last year and faded fast down the stretch. We always assume the worst out of them but I think it's based on a lifetime of experience and not the realities of their team today.

 

Of course, that doesn't mean I'd bet against them. :-))

 

I think "scare" is the wrong term, maybe. If someone came back from the future and told me the Cubs didn't win the 2009 NL Central title, my best guess as to who beat them would be the Cardinals. But I don't expect it to happen.

 

As well you shouldn't. Time travel is impossible

 

and expensive.

[Blue W]

As well you shouldn't. Time travel is impossible

 

Dr. Brown and his Flux Capacitor beg to differ.

[Cynosure]

We're approaching Roberts status.

[The Other 15]

Cardianls, Shmardinals! Seriously, this has got to stop by people that see themselves as intelligent about the game. The Amazing LaRussio and the Fabulous Flying Duncanio can squeeze every ounce of talent out of that wet rag team they assembled and they won't come close to matching last years lucky run. I write this in fear that it may start another three pages about how Khalil Greene is likely to put up a amazing season.

 

The most talented team (outside of the Cubs) is the Reds. If there is any "scarying" going on, it should be from them. They have the talent to play at a unprecedented level. The Cards do not. If and when their young players put it together, they will be scary.

 

We all know their manager never led a team to the playoffs or contention so let the Dusty references begin.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Reds are horrible.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The Reds are horrible.

[Blue W]

I don't think you can say they're horrible. They're young. They're inexperienced. But they've got some talent on that team. I think you have to say they have the second best rotation in the division if Harrang and Arroyo can just have avrage seasons and Cueto and Volquez mature as they should. Meanwhile there's some good young bats there too.

 

Maybe not this year, but soon, the Reds are going to have to be dealt with.

[anabiono]

yep, i agree in a big way

 

the reds will be a bit more pesky this year for sure