Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Mark_R]

Everyone needs to stop the bickering, go grab a beer or two, and have a good night.

 

I made the mistake of grabbing an entire bottle of Bacardi.

 

Last night was a struggle

[RedVerbs]

With Pujols, Wainwright, Ankiel, Ludwick, Molina, there's also Rasmus, Wallace, Perez, Daryl Jones, Jaime Garcia, Jesse Todd, who will be on the team in the next season or two. That is a strong nucleus of "young" talent.

 

Half those guys will amount to nothing. Brett Wallace's 200 professional ABs really has you writing him in the lineup for the next 10 years? Daryl Jones? Jesse Todd? If you're only going to worry about what a guy did last season, what's Rasmus doing on there when he sucked out loud last year?

 

LOL half of them wont amount to much. Yes, Pujols, Wainwright, Molina, Ankiel, Ludwick have done nothing yet. I cannot see them lasting.

 

Yes, I'm confident that Wallace and Rasmus will be great. Jones, Todd, Garcia, I need to see more, I will give you that.

 

However a core of Pujols, Wainwright, Wallace, Rasmus, Molina, Ankiel, Ludwick, Perez is very strong whether you want to admit it or not. I'll take the words of scouts who have Rasmus a top 10 prospect in the game, and Wallace a top 20-40 depending on who you ask (And a top 5 prospect on the hitting side) over a Cub fan hoping against hope that they fail. Reds youth core is very strong. The Cubs...not so much. But good luck with Soto. lol. You better hope Peavy gets you a title in the next 3 years, cause it's looking bad for the future.

[wade]

With Pujols, Wainwright, Ankiel, Ludwick, Molina, there's also Rasmus, Wallace, Perez, Daryl Jones, Jaime Garcia, Jesse Todd, who will be on the team in the next season or two. That is a strong nucleus of "young" talent.

 

Half those guys will amount to nothing. Brett Wallace's 200 professional ABs really has you writing him in the lineup for the next 10 years? Daryl Jones? Jesse Todd? If you're only going to worry about what a guy did last season, what's Rasmus doing on there when he sucked out loud last year?

 

LOL half of them wont amount to much. Yes, Pujols, Wainwright, Molina, Ankiel, Ludwick have done nothing yet. I cannot see them lasting.

 

Yes, I'm confident that Wallace and Rasmus will be great. Jones, Todd, Garcia, I need to see more, I will give you that.

 

However a core of Pujols, Wainwright, Wallace, Rasmus, Molina, Ankiel, Ludwick, Perez is very strong whether you want to admit it or not. I'll take the words of scouts who have Rasmus a top 10 prospect in the game, and Wallace a top 20-40 depending on who you ask (And a top 5 prospect on the hitting side) over a Cub fan hoping against hope that they fail. Reds youth core is very strong. The Cubs...not so much. But good luck with Soto. lol. You better hope Peavy gets you a title in the next 3 years, cause it's looking bad for the future.

 

In 3 years the Cubs will probably have a 180 million dollar payroll and tens of millions coming off the books.

[RedFlash]

 

I'll take the words of scouts who have Rasmus a top 10 prospect in the game, and Wallace a top 20-40 depending on who you ask (And a top 5 prospect on the hitting side) over a Cub fan hoping against hope that they fail. Reds youth core is very strong. The Cubs...not so much. But good luck with Soto. lol. You better hope Peavy gets you a title in the next 3 years, cause it's looking bad for the future.

 

First: About you "taking the word of scouts who have Rasmus as a top 10 prospect in the game" be fore warned, being a Top 10 prospect today, don't mean crap. Joe Borchard was once considered a Top 10 prospect. Hell even the Padres version of Brett Wallace, Sean Burroughs was a Top 10 prospect. And even Corey Patterson was considered a Top 10 prospect. So spare us this crap. Highly touted prospects today, don't mean squat tomorrow.

 

Second: You're right the Cubs "young core" isn't strong, but the Cubs are not exactly old man river of a team. The Cubs are built to win for the foresseible future, unlike the Cards. The Cubs know what they are going to get from their team and make adjustments, the Cards and Reds are basing their future's on potential. The problem with that is....yes you have the potential to be great, but also you have equal chance that your "prospects" can set you back a few yrs.

 

Third: The Cubs future isn't as bleak as you think. Within the next 3-5 yrs, ARam/Lee/Harden/Lilly/Bradley and Fukudome contracts will be up, and I believe the Cubs system be alot better then than it is now. Not to mention the Cubs will free up money to fill in holes by then. So as much as you think the Cubs future is looking bad, I think the Cards and the Reds are looking worse, because neither team young players have shown they can play for a full season in the majors.

[UMFan83]

This sounds like when people were saying Bobby Hill, Hee Seop Choi, David Kelton, Corey Patterson, Angel Guzman and Juan Cruz were going lead the Cubs for the foreseeable future.

[treebird]

KELTON-MONTANEZ-HILL-CHOI

 

INFIELD OF THE FUTURE

[Little Slide Rooter]

Wasnt Kelton supposed to be the next guy to hit .400?

[cubsfan26]

However a core of Pujols, Wainwright, Wallace, Rasmus, Molina, Ankiel, Ludwick, Perez is very strong whether you want to admit it or not.

 

 

I wouldn't add soon to be 31 year old Ryan Ludwick to part of a young core, especially since it's no sure thing he repeats last seasons numbers. Plus Rick Ankiel is a free agent at the end of the season, you can't really count on him as part of the core yet. So then if Wallace or Rasmus end up being a bust, then that core really isn't that impressive. So you can giggle over the Cubs young core of players. But I don't think Soto, Marmol, Zambrano(same age as Wainwright), and Vitters in the future is all that much worse then what the Cardinals have going. The big difference of course is the Cards have Albert Pujols and the Cubs don't.

[RedVerbs]

And if they aren't bust, it's not even close.

 

And how can you say this core isn't signifcant better without Wallace and Rasmus, when we have Pujols. You don't have a player young or old on the entire roster that beng in the same stratosphere. That is a huge difference in core young talent right there.

 

The Cubs are significantly better right now, especially pitching (If Carpenter never returns to form), so what I'm saying shouldn't matter. The Cubs CAN win the WS in the next 2-3 years. But to act like their prospects/young talent on the team are comparable is laughable at best. The Cardinals have been ranked as a top 8 system by Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus has it as one of the best systems in all of baseball, the Cubs have at best, the 20th best system in baseball, with really no good young talent on the current roster aside from Soto and none on the way except the first baseman.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

And if they aren't bust, it's not even close.

 

And how can you say this core isn't signifcant better without Wallace and Rasmus, when we have Pujols. You don't have a player young or old on the entire roster that beng in the same stratosphere. That is a huge difference in core young talent right there.

 

The Cubs are significantly better right now, especially pitching (If Carpenter never returns to form), so what I'm saying shouldn't matter. The Cubs CAN win the WS in the next 2-3 years. But to act like their prospects/young talent on the team are comparable is laughable at best. The Cardinals have been ranked as a top 8 system by Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus has it as one of the best systems in all of baseball, the Cubs have at best, the 20th best system in baseball, with really no good young talent on the current roster aside from Soto and none on the way except the first baseman.

Thanks. I'm pretty sure no one cares.

[cubsfan26]

Less than 24 hours after Bruce Levine reported the Cubs interest in Aaron Heilman, the story breaker mentioned if the Cubs are unable to land Jake Peavy they might turn to Randy Wolf.

 

During Talkin' Baseball on Saturday morning Bruce Levine changed his optimism on the fact the Cubs could still pull off a trade for Jake Peavy, citing both the Cubs and Padres ownership changes as the reason. A week ago Levine put the Cubs chances at 80% to land Peavy, on Saturday he said Jeff Moorad may want to keep Peavy and build his team around the ace

 

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2009/01/cubrumors11009.php#more

 

 

I hope the Wolf stuff isn't true, I know Hendry has always liked him and he has simliar stuff to Lilly. But Wolf is really inconsistent, and his health is also a issue. Last season was the first time since 2003 that he made over 30 starts. From 05-07 Wolf made 12-18 starts and was pretty bad. There seems like a good amount of interest in Wolf as well, so he won't come cheap. So hopefully potential ownership doesn't get in the way of us getting Peavy.

[shnsajax]

Less than 24 hours after Bruce Levine reported the Cubs interest in Aaron Heilman, the story breaker mentioned if the Cubs are unable to land Jake Peavy they might turn to Randy Wolf.

 

During Talkin' Baseball on Saturday morning Bruce Levine changed his optimism on the fact the Cubs could still pull off a trade for Jake Peavy, citing both the Cubs and Padres ownership changes as the reason. A week ago Levine put the Cubs chances at 80% to land Peavy, on Saturday he said Jeff Moorad may want to keep Peavy and build his team around the ace

 

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2009/01/cubrumors11009.php#more

 

 

I hope the Wolf stuff isn't true, I know Hendry has always liked him and he has simliar stuff to Lilly. But Wolf is really inconsistent, and his health is also a issue. Last season was the first time since 2003 that he made over 30 starts. From 05-07 Wolf made 12-18 starts and was pretty bad. There seems like a good amount of interest in Wolf as well, so he won't come cheap. So hopefully potential ownership doesn't get in the way of us getting Peavy.

 

I would much rather overpay for Lowe than get Wolf.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

with really no good young talent on the current roster aside from Soto and none on the way except the first baseman.

 

http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204021

 

Scroll down to see who the sixth most-valuable reliever in baseball was last season.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Randy Wolf would be the worst possible outcome of all of this. Should've just kept Marquis if you're going to get Wolf.

[UMFan83]

And if they aren't bust, it's not even close.

 

And how can you say this core isn't signifcant better without Wallace and Rasmus, when we have Pujols. You don't have a player young or old on the entire roster that beng in the same stratosphere. That is a huge difference in core young talent right there.

 

The Cubs are significantly better right now, especially pitching (If Carpenter never returns to form), so what I'm saying shouldn't matter. The Cubs CAN win the WS in the next 2-3 years. But to act like their prospects/young talent on the team are comparable is laughable at best. The Cardinals have been ranked as a top 8 system by Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus has it as one of the best systems in all of baseball, the Cubs have at best, the 20th best system in baseball, with really no good young talent on the current roster aside from Soto and none on the way except the first baseman.

 

Who cares? We can outspend you to make up the rest of the gap. Sure we have Soriano longterm, but in 3 years, Lee, Ramirez, Lilly, Fukudome, and Bradley will be off the books. If they are old and not effective we will sign more people. It might not work out and we might make the wrong decisions, but I'm not going to sit here and assume that the Cubs will be horrible in 3 years because our core will be out of its prime years.

[AlwaysaCub]

Wasnt Kelton supposed to be the next guy to hit .400?

 

Him or Jeremy Reed

[jersey cubs fan]

And if they aren't bust, it's not even close.

 

And how can you say this core isn't signifcant better without Wallace and Rasmus, when we have Pujols. You don't have a player young or old on the entire roster that beng in the same stratosphere. That is a huge difference in core young talent right there.

 

The Cubs are significantly better right now, especially pitching (If Carpenter never returns to form), so what I'm saying shouldn't matter. The Cubs CAN win the WS in the next 2-3 years. But to act like their prospects/young talent on the team are comparable is laughable at best. The Cardinals have been ranked as a top 8 system by Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus has it as one of the best systems in all of baseball, the Cubs have at best, the 20th best system in baseball, with really no good young talent on the current roster aside from Soto and none on the way except the first baseman.

 

Who cares? We can outspend you to make up the rest of the gap. Sure we have Soriano longterm, but in 3 years, Lee, Ramirez, Lilly, Fukudome, and Bradley will be off the books. If they are old and not effective we will sign more people. It might not work out and we might make the wrong decisions, but I'm not going to sit here and assume that the Cubs will be horrible in 3 years because our core will be out of its prime years.

 

They are going to have to develop some bats in that time because there's very little chance they will be able to sign all the guys they'd need off of free agency.

[cubswin2009]

We're going from Jake Peavy to Randy Wolf? Ehh...

[Hairyducked Idiot]

They are going to have to develop some bats in that time because there's very little chance they will be able to sign all the guys they'd need off of free agency.

 

Trade is more likely, same way we got most of our good bats now.

[Garwilly]

They are going to have to develop some bats in that time because there's very little chance they will be able to sign all the guys they'd need off of free agency.

 

Trade is more likely, same way we got most of our good bats now.

 

 

Oh?

 

Free Agents

Alfonso Soriano

Milton Bradley

Aaron Miles

Kosuke Fukudome

Joey Gathright

Reed Johnson

 

Trades

Derrek Lee

Aramis Ramirez

 

System

Geovany Soto

Ryan Theriot

Felix Pie

Ronny Cedeno

Mike Fontenot (or trade)

Micah Hoffpauir

[Backtobanks]

They are going to have to develop some bats in that time because there's very little chance they will be able to sign all the guys they'd need off of free agency.

 

Trade is more likely, same way we got most of our good bats now.

 

As I've posted before, a trade is more likely because of an overcrowded roster (Pie, Wuertz, Hart, Ascanio, Vicaino, Cedeno, Wells, etc.).

[JeffH]

They are going to have to develop some bats in that time because there's very little chance they will be able to sign all the guys they'd need off of free agency.

 

Trade is more likely, same way we got most of our good bats now.

 

As I've posted before, a trade is more likely because of an overcrowded roster (Pie, Wuertz, Hart, Ascanio, Vicaino, Cedeno, Wells, etc.).

 

A trade is certainly possible, but the guys with options available (Hart, Ascanio, Wells, and some of the "etc.") do not in any way contribute to any supposed overcrowding.

[cubswin2009]

Good to hear this Ricketts guy is willing to spend money and win. Hopefully he is the next Cubs owner.

[imb]

by the time those stupid cardinals prospects are ready to contribute, pujols is going to be 39, anyway

 

i still have a bobby hill rookie card thing i bought at this baseball card show my friend dragged me to

 

oh, and a corey patterson autographed jersey card or something. i also bought a fat stack of dennis eckersley cards for like 2 bucks because that mustache is timeless

[rawaction]

Good to hear this Ricketts guy is willing to spend money and win. Hopefully he is the next Cubs owner.

 

Yeah, because the Cubs have never spent money before and spending money means winning.