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Bradley Signs with Cubs 3/$30 million (p. 33)

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Keep in mind that until last year, he had played absically his entire career in big time pitchers' parks, so his home run numbers are kind of skewed

 

Really I see him as being the type of hitter as Aramis was in 2008. I'm not saying he'll be as good, I'm just saying I think that's the type of player he is at his point. Good but not great average, good but not great power, but a really good on base guy. Nothing wrong with that

 

I think this is pretty spot on. It's a damn nice addition to the lineup. If Fontenot can produce even somewhat similar numbers to what he did in PT duty last year, our lineup could be quite good.

 

 

 

It's a bit of an overpayment for Bradley, but by maybe 2mil a year or so...that's really not that big of a deal. If you break down the Texeira deal, the BoSox missed out on him by about 2mil a season...I wonder how they feel about that. Better to overpay by a bit than deal with the rather lackluster options that existed if Bradley signed elsewhere.

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Bill James has Bradley posting these numbers next year:

 

.287/.391/.489 20 HR 68 RBI in 442 at bats

 

How about Pie's numbers ?

.275/.323/.434 13 HR 60 RBI and 19 SB

 

Also, Fan Graphs has Bradley's production in '08 being worth $16.9 mil. And yes, of course these numbers are sscewed due to Bradley hitting in a big hitters parking while DHing full-time. He could still reach these numbers, though.

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Bill James has Bradley posting these numbers next year:

 

.287/.391/.489 20 HR 68 RBI in 442 at bats

 

How about Pie's numbers ?

.275/.323/.434 13 HR 60 RBI and 19 SB

 

Also, Fan Graphs has Bradley's production in '08 being worth $16.9 mil. And yes, of course these numbers are sscewed due to Bradley hitting in a big hitters parking while DHing full-time. He could still reach these numbers, though.

 

I really think we shouldn't put any stock into that fangraphs stat. It seems like all their numbers are extremely inflated. I mean, they had Willie Harris being worth 15.4 mil Last year. Yeah his defense is excellent, but c'mon.

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Bill James has Bradley posting these numbers next year:

 

.287/.391/.489 20 HR 68 RBI in 442 at bats

 

How about Pie's numbers ?

.275/.323/.434 13 HR 60 RBI and 19 SB

 

Also, Fan Graphs has Bradley's production in '08 being worth $16.9 mil. And yes, of course these numbers are sscewed due to Bradley hitting in a big hitters parking while DHing full-time. He could still reach these numbers, though.

Thanks. I saw them somewhere the other day but couldn't remember them. Those are pretty decent considering it would be his first full season and the great defense he'd provide. Its a shame he probably won't get the chance here.

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Bill James has Bradley posting these numbers next year:

 

.287/.391/.489 20 HR 68 RBI in 442 at bats

 

How about Pie's numbers ?

.275/.323/.434 13 HR 60 RBI and 19 SB

 

Also, Fan Graphs has Bradley's production in '08 being worth $16.9 mil. And yes, of course these numbers are sscewed due to Bradley hitting in a big hitters parking while DHing full-time. He could still reach these numbers, though.

 

I really think we shouldn't put any stock into that fangraphs stat. It seems like all their numbers are extremely inflated. I mean, they had Willie Harris being worth 15.4 mil Last year. Yeah his defense is excellent, but c'mon.

Point taken. Just sharing the info.

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Bill James has Bradley posting these numbers next year:

 

.287/.391/.489 20 HR 68 RBI in 442 at bats

 

How about Pie's numbers ?

.275/.323/.434 13 HR 60 RBI and 19 SB

 

Also, Fan Graphs has Bradley's production in '08 being worth $16.9 mil. And yes, of course these numbers are sscewed due to Bradley hitting in a big hitters parking while DHing full-time. He could still reach these numbers, though.

 

I really think we shouldn't put any stock into that fangraphs stat. It seems like all their numbers are extremely inflated. I mean, they had Willie Harris being worth 15.4 mil Last year. Yeah his defense is excellent, but c'mon.

Point taken. Just sharing the info.

 

No I know... I'm just sayin

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Bill James has Bradley posting these numbers next year:

 

.287/.391/.489 20 HR 68 RBI in 442 at bats

 

How about Pie's numbers ?

.275/.323/.434 13 HR 60 RBI and 19 SB

 

Also, Fan Graphs has Bradley's production in '08 being worth $16.9 mil. And yes, of course these numbers are sscewed due to Bradley hitting in a big hitters parking while DHing full-time. He could still reach these numbers, though.

 

I really think we shouldn't put any stock into that fangraphs stat. It seems like all their numbers are extremely inflated. I mean, they had Willie Harris being worth 15.4 mil Last year. Yeah his defense is excellent, but c'mon.

Point taken. Just sharing the info.

 

No I know... I'm just sayin

 

A) James' projections are ridiculous, this is well documented. Pay ZERO attention to them. If you are looking at fangraphs, just look at marcel and ignore the Bill James line. You can go to BTF and get ZIPS for about half the teams now and PECOTA should be out in a while.

 

B) Fangraphs $ productions are on as long as you are good with wOBA and UZR. Their numbers aren't inflated, they just fly in the face of what most people believe because they don't think defense is worth jack (either good or bad). UZR definitely isn't perfect, but its one of the best we have right now. A guy like Harris who posted an insane defensive year last year is going to seem inflated, but look at a guy like Abreu who posted an insanely bad defensive year...his value was $5M.

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The things is, even is you think his defense makes him worth that much, that doesn't mean what his actual monetary value is, since nobody pays that much for defense. It's not really okay to spend 15.3 million for defense when you can get it for much cheaper. That's why i think those numbers are kind of nonsense. Value is dictated by the market. Nobody pays 15 mil for defense. You don't have to.
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I'm going to sidestep the whole freak injury controversy. My only qualm with this signing is that if someone told you, "Guess which baseball player tore his ACL because his manager restrained him from going after the umpire today." Wouldn't Milton Bradley be one of your top five choices? My concern is that Bradley runs a hot temper. I've also heard arguments that the Cubs need more of that temperament. I don't fully trust anything I can't measure quantitatively.

 

Any type of injury clause is obviously great news. This deal might look more like Burrell's than we thought. If not, then we get extended stretches of solid production. Bradley's 2008 BABIP is unsustainable. He'll still be a positive influence.

 

I hope the Cubs focus on killing April and May to make the 2nd half a lot more boring. They appear stronger than any other NL team.

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the mets would like to say hello

 

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and the phillies

 

Don't get me wrong, the Mets and Phillies should be very strong next year. I feel (bias warning) that the Cubs are better set for the regular season. We'll be more sure once we see who the Cubs and Mets choose as 5th starters. I'm also curious about the severity of Chase Utley's injury.

 

The Cubs have the highest upside but some fragile cogs in Harden, Soriano, Bradley and Zambrano.

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The don't have any bearing on the conversation, but should be stated out of pure tongue in cheek, but ain't it great to have #21 back in RF again?

 

With that said, this deal is clearly high risk/high reward feel to it. I am hoping that spending a majority of 2008 as a DH, allowed Milton Bradley to stay healthy. I know it is too much to ask for and expect, but here to Milton Bradley having a MONOPOLY on RF during his stay in Chicago. Yeah, I went there............as the old commerical once said, "It ain't easy, being cheesy."

 

With that said, here's to Milton Bradley staying healthy.

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Maybe this has changed but isn't Pat the Bats contract with Tampa actually a little bit more when you factor in the no state income tax? I thought this came into play when the Marlins where free spenders before their first title.
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I'm going to do this even though it's against my better judgment..

 

When I was young my mother would tell me: "Never argue with unreasonable people; because you can't reason with them". But here I go anyways.

 

A freak accident should be defined as: An accident that occurs when you would otherwise NOT expect one to occur.

1. D. Lee breaking his wrist: No way anyone would not expect that to happen after his hand, wrist were hit like they were. Take 100 people in the exact same situation and probably 80% it would have resulted in a break.

2. Any pitcher who has arm issues: The arm issue would be a result of the violent movement of the arm when throwing a baseball (arm should include elbow, shoulder and so on).

3. Mark Prior taking a line drive to the elbow; of course he got hurt, nothing freaky about that. The fact he got hit could be called a "freak" thing because players don't often get hit with baseballs when on defense. However his being injured once hit; nothing freaky about that. Anytime someone is hit with a hard object going over 100mph I would have to say an accident is expected.

4. A player swinging a bat; you can't break down every injury that could be expected; but side (oblique’s), back, wrists, fingers, thumbs and possibly hips could become injured during this process. Nothing freaky about that, because one could reasonably expect it to happen.

THE LIST GOES ON.....

 

I would have to say anyone tearing an ACL when being held back is not something you would reasonably (keyword) expect to happen. Take 100 people in the exact same situation and a LOT less than 80% would end in an ACL tear. That to me makes it a freak accident.

Sammy Sosa sneezing and hurting his back (out 30 days); to me that is a freak accident; you just don't NORMALLY expect someone to miss 30 days because of a sneeze.

The sneeze analogy perfectly illustrates what I've been trying to explain. People sneeze all the darn time, and nothing comes of it.

 

Just like as dextermorgan has explained, professional baseball players step awkwardly on their leg all the darn time, and nothing comes of it.

 

So if throwing your back out sneezing is a freak injury (since you've sneezed countless times with no injury occurring), then by the same logic, tearing your ACL stepping awkwardly is also a freak injury (since you've stepped awkwardly countless times with no injury occurring).

 

Except people almost never get hurt sneezing. That's why it's a freak injury. People get hurt by twisting their legs. You're leaving out that very huge difference. Also, I'd say that there's a pretty big difference between a sneeze and a twisting of your leg. One is a natural thing that the body does by itself. The other is something that your body is put through due to a mistake.

 

By your logic, every time a guy suffers a new injury (while doing something he's done hundreds of times before) that he hasn't suffered before, it's a freak injury. I don't see how you find the logic in that. Basically you're saying that freak injuries happen all the time, which pretty much goes against what the definition of what a freak injury is.

 

"Oh Bradley just sprained his MCL while running the bases. He's never done that before. Just a freak injury!"

 

"Oh Bradley just tore his quad while running after a ball in the outfield. He's never done that before. Just a freak injury!"

 

"Oh Bradley just aggravated a muscle in his wrist while taking batting practice. He's never done that before. Just a freak injury!"

 

I think you get the idea.

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Bradley will stay healthy now that he is off the roids. And he won't have the outbursts he used to have.

 

When was the last time the Cubs had a reputable left-handed power hitter? McGriff?

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Bradley will stay healthy now that he is off the roids. And he won't have the outbursts he used to have.

 

When was the last time the Cubs had a reputable left-handed power hitter? McGriff?

 

jim edmonds?

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