4/15 - Bulls (41-40) vs. Toronto (32-49) - 7 pm, CSN

[ChiCubsFan]

On the other, a source close to Kirk Hinrich said the Bulls rejected a salary-dump proposal from Minnesota that would have netted them the expiring contract of Jason Collins and one more season of Brian Cardinal.

 

And two league sources said a nearly completed deal sending Hughes to the Knicks for Malik Rose and Jerome James fell apart Wednesday.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi090218-chicago-bulls-trade-kings-timberwolves,0,3854012.story

 

Why would they reject that??? Hinrich has no place with Rose on this team. He's not worth what he's getting paid to back up Rose and play some 2. Even if he was still our starting PG, he's not worth what he's getting paid.

[ChiCubsFan]

Why does everyone keep talking about Salmon's "inflated" numbers? Maybe so, but its pretty tough to "inflate" FG%. He is shooting 47% from the field and 42% from 3 pts. Jamal Crawford and Jalen Rose could never sniff a high FG% when jacking shots and padding stats with crappy Bulls teams.

 

I'll miss Nocioni, but this is a good trade. Salmon is cheap anyways. If Miller is healthy, he's the type of player they need. Plus, he's off the books in 2010.

 

Honestly, I don't know. It's pretty tough to shoot for that high of a percentage when you are one of only a couple decent scoring options on the court for a team.

[RedFlash]

Why would they reject that??? Hinrich has no place with Rose on this team. He's not worth what he's getting paid to back up Rose and play some 2. Even if he was still our starting PG, he's not worth what he's getting paid.

 

The rumor that I've heard on another site was that Paxson is trying to get one of Minnesota first rd picks (they've got three, at least in the 2009 draft).

[WrigleyField 22]

On the other, a source close to Kirk Hinrich said the Bulls rejected a salary-dump proposal from Minnesota that would have netted them the expiring contract of Jason Collins and one more season of Brian Cardinal.

 

And two league sources said a nearly completed deal sending Hughes to the Knicks for Malik Rose and Jerome James fell apart Wednesday.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi090218-chicago-bulls-trade-kings-timberwolves,0,3854012.story

 

Why would they reject that??? Hinrich has no place with Rose on this team. He's not worth what he's getting paid to back up Rose and play some 2. Even if he was still our starting PG, he's not worth what he's getting paid.

We'd be going into luxury tax level this season, and only save about $2.5M next season. Yea, I'd like to shoot for 2010 as well, but I feel like we could do it more effectively than that.

 

Theres been rumors circulating for a long time about Hinrich to Portland, and they have players who expire this year (LaFrentz) or players who expire by 2010 who could at least contribute next year.

 

Kirk is definitely expandable, especially now that we have Salmons as Gordon insurance, but we can wait it out and acutally get some value for him if we wait it out I'm sure.

[Tyrant]

He didn't pull the trigger on Gasol, Kobe, or Garnett.

 

This is days old, and I have no idea if anyone ever responded to it, but he never had a real shot at these guys. The Lakers weren't ever serious about trading Kobe; Memphis only wanted cap relief for Gasol, not talent; Minnesota wanted Chandler, Deng, Gordon and draft choices for Garnett, which would have crippled the Bulls.

 

None of those three non-moves were Paxson's fault.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Minnesota wanted Chandler, Deng, Gordon and draft choices for Garnett, which would have crippled the Bulls.

 

Worth it, worth it, worth it.

 

This will always be a sport where you do whatever you can to get elite players and worry about the dross later.

[WrigleyField 22]

He didn't pull the trigger on Gasol, Kobe, or Garnett.

 

This is days old, and I have no idea if anyone ever responded to it, but he never had a real shot at these guys. The Lakers weren't ever serious about trading Kobe; Memphis only wanted cap relief for Gasol, not talent; Minnesota wanted Chandler, Deng, Gordon and draft choices for Garnett, which would have crippled the Bulls.

 

None of those three non-moves were Paxson's fault.

Actually the Bulls did offer that package (or something really similar)

 

It was: Chandler, Deng, maybe Noce, the picks that became Thomas and Noah, for Garnett and the Wolves weren't ready to trade him.

[Tyrant]

Minnesota wanted Chandler, Deng, Gordon and draft choices for Garnett, which would have crippled the Bulls.

 

Worth it, worth it, worth it.

 

This will always be a sport where you do whatever you can to get elite players and worry about the dross later.

 

No. Not at all.

 

The Bulls lineup would have been something like Duhon, Hinrich, Nocioni, Garnett and Othella Harrington. Darius Songalia would have been the next-best player.

[WrigleyField 22]

Minnesota wanted Chandler, Deng, Gordon and draft choices for Garnett, which would have crippled the Bulls.

 

Worth it, worth it, worth it.

 

This will always be a sport where you do whatever you can to get elite players and worry about the dross later.

 

No. Not at all.

 

The Bulls lineup would have been something like Duhon, Hinrich, Nocioni, Garnett and Othella Harrington. Darius Songalia would have been the next-best player.

As said, worth it.

[Tyrant]

Minnesota wanted Chandler, Deng, Gordon and draft choices for Garnett, which would have crippled the Bulls.

 

Worth it, worth it, worth it.

 

This will always be a sport where you do whatever you can to get elite players and worry about the dross later.

 

No. Not at all.

 

The Bulls lineup would have been something like Duhon, Hinrich, Nocioni, Garnett and Othella Harrington. Darius Songalia would have been the next-best player.

As said, worth it.

 

That's dumb. That's a 40-win team. The reason everyone wanted Garnett was as the final piece to a talented young core. But if the Bulls would have traded the entire core to get him, they would have been just as bad as the Minnesota team Garnett wanted to leave.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That's dumb. That's a 40-win team. The reason everyone wanted Garnett was as the final piece to a talented young core. But if the Bulls would have traded the entire core to get him, they would have been just as bad as the Minnesota team Garnett wanted to leave.

 

A 40-win team with Garnett is a good offseason away from contention.

 

A 50-win team with the young talent the Bulls had is ... well, still trying to find a big man like Garnett to put them in contention.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think it's funny that people think the Bulls have a good young core that needs to be built around and can't be broken up. The NBA is a stars league, it's not a core's league. Worrying about breaking up the core is only going to keep the team mired in mediocrity.

[Tyrant]

Ugh. For such a smart group of Cubs fans, you're all really dumb Bulls fans.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Ugh. For such a smart group of Cubs fans, you're all really dumb Bulls fans.

 

Right back atcha. Young cores develop into 55-win teams that go out in the second round every year and draft in the late teens, never getting anywhere. It's NBA purgatory, and the Bulls would still be there if they hadn't lucked into Rose.

[jersey cubs fan]

Ugh. For such a smart group of Cubs fans, you're all really dumb Bulls fans.

 

I'm not a bulls fan. But I do know enough to realize the bulls "core" hasn't, and isn't going to take them anywhere.

 

Basketball and baseball are completely different. Baseball teams can't survive with one or two stars and a bunch of filler. You need production from many positions. Basketball is all about the top dogs.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Ugh. For such a smart group of Cubs fans, you're all really dumb Bulls fans.

Says the guy who stated that Chandler, Gordon, and Deng could "cripple" an organization.

[Tyrant]

Ugh. For such a smart group of Cubs fans, you're all really dumb Bulls fans.

 

Right back atcha. Young cores develop into 55-win teams that go out in the second round every year and draft in the late teens, never getting anywhere. It's NBA purgatory, and the Bulls would still be there if they hadn't lucked into Rose.

 

All right. Enlighten me. It's 2006. You're the GM. The Bulls just finished 40-42 with a core of Duhon, Hinrich, Nocioni, Garnett and Songalia/Harrington. You are without a first round pick in the upcoming draft. You have no valuable player assets to trade in order to acquire talent. Garnett is 30 years old and will begin declining in three years. You have a moderate amount of cap room, but an owner unwilling to pay the luxury tax and notorious for being stingy with the Bulls finances. How do you turn the Bulls into a championship-caliber team before Garnett is 34 years old?

[Tyrant]

Basketball is all about the top dogs.

 

Partially. But if you look at the good teams, they have several high-quality players around their top dogs. Garnett has Pierce and Allen. Kobe has Odom and Gasol. Duncan has Ginobili and Parker. The Bulls would have had Garnett and..... Garnett.

[gflore34]

Garnett traded to Bulls? No way that was going to happen, he was gift wrapped for Boston all along, McHale may say otherwise but, I don't believe it.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I know it is popular theory to say Garnett was a gift to Boston, but please, name me any core piece on the Bulls(back then) that could even hold Al Jeffersons' jock.

[imb]

“It is not immediately clear if this would be two separate trades or a three-way exchange, but I’m hearing that Oklahoma City’s Chris Wilcox — who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded — and Chicago’s Larry Hughes are New York-bound.

 

To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson. Trying to nail it all down for you.”

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

What are we going to do with Tim Thomas? Tim Thomas him? rofl.

[Soul]

Basketball is all about the top dogs.

 

Partially. But if you look at the good teams, they have several high-quality players around their top dogs. Garnett has Pierce and Allen. Kobe has Odom and Gasol. Duncan has Ginobili and Parker. The Bulls would have had Garnett and..... Garnett.

 

Well, you do need that first superstar to attract other good FA's. Even trades in the NBA -- top players have power to fight against them. Maybe not official power, but more than any other league NBA players will refuse to play, refuse to put forth 100% effort, etc. etc. if they don't like their situation.

 

The problem with us is we can't identify and acquire superstar #1. Hopefully Rose changes all that.

[Mark_R]

“It is not immediately clear if this would be two separate trades or a three-way exchange, but I’m hearing that Oklahoma City’s Chris Wilcox — who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded — and Chicago’s Larry Hughes are New York-bound.

 

To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson. Trying to nail it all down for you.”

 

Realgm is making this sound like its a done deal.

[Banedon]

“It is not immediately clear if this would be two separate trades or a three-way exchange, but I’m hearing that Oklahoma City’s Chris Wilcox — who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded — and Chicago’s Larry Hughes are New York-bound.

 

To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson. Trying to nail it all down for you.”

 

Well the Chicago part is right.

 

Multiple league sources confirmed that the Bulls traded Hughes to the Knicks for Thomas, seldom-used big man Jerome James and Anthony Roberson.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi090219-chicago-bulls-larry-hughes-trade-knicks,0,2809280.story