4/15 - Bulls (41-40) vs. Toronto (32-49) - 7 pm, CSN

[Rusch33]

Is Brad Miller even back from injury yet? I bet he's real happy to be going back to Chicago after his first tour there.

 

This is a lateral move for the Bulls at best. If you're going to trade away 3 players, get someone who can make a big difference. Not a guy who's an average center, and another guy who's stats are inflated because he plays for the crappy Kings.

 

You act like they traded good players or something. The only thing of value that the bulls gave up was Gooden's expiring, and the fact that they got rid of Nocioni's contract makees up for it. Poeple are going to be dissapointing because it's not an Amare trade, but it's definitely a good trade. Plus it's very 2010 friendly

 

Over the long term it's not, I think. This might put the Bulls into the playoffs as an 8 seed only to get crushed by Lebron or Garnett. Next year.. on the other hand...

 

With this trade, the Bulls are basically showing Gordon the door at the end of the season with Salmons coming on. Salmons' numbers are inflated because he's played about half of the season without Martin and Garcia.

 

Brad Miller hasn't been good since 05, and that's pushing it. He's never healthy.

 

Add on that Hughes and Hinrich will probably be gone, and the Bulls have pretty much depleted this team depth-wise going into the 2009 season (considering there aren't very many good free agents this upcoming off-season).

 

I think gearing up to the 2010 season is foolish. Lebron is pretty much either staying in Cleveland or going to NYC (that is if he opts out). I'm not so sure Wade is going to opt out of Miami. Same goes for Stoudemire or Dirk. Portland isn't going to let Brandon Roy go as he's a restricted FA.

[17 Seconds]

Is Brad Miller even back from injury yet? I bet he's real happy to be going back to Chicago after his first tour there.

 

This is a lateral move for the Bulls at best. If you're going to trade away 3 players, get someone who can make a big difference. Not a guy who's an average center, and another guy who's stats are inflated because he plays for the crappy Kings.

 

You act like they traded good players or something. The only thing of value that the bulls gave up was Gooden's expiring, and the fact that they got rid of Nocioni's contract makees up for it. Poeple are going to be dissapointing because it's not an Amare trade, but it's definitely a good trade. Plus it's very 2010 friendly

 

Over the long term it's not, I think. This might put the Bulls into the playoffs as an 8 seed only to get crushed by Lebron or Garnett. Next year.. on the other hand...

 

With this trade, the Bulls are basically showing Gordon the door at the end of the season with Salmons coming on. Salmons' numbers are inflated because he's played about half of the season without Martin and Garcia.

 

Brad Miller hasn't been good since 05, and that's pushing it. He's never healthy.

 

Add on that Hughes and Hinrich will probably be gone, and the Bulls have pretty much depleted this team depth-wise going into the 2009 season (considering there aren't very many good free agents this upcoming off-season).

 

I think gearing up to the 2010 season is foolish. Lebron is pretty much either staying in Cleveland or going to NYC (that is if he opts out). I'm not so sure Wade is going to opt out of Miami. Same goes for Stoudemire or Dirk. Portland isn't going to let Brandon Roy go as he's a restricted FA.

 

Okay, so what is bad about this trade? I'm not saying it makes us good this year or next year, but what bad does it do?

[Rusch33]

Is Brad Miller even back from injury yet? I bet he's real happy to be going back to Chicago after his first tour there.

 

This is a lateral move for the Bulls at best. If you're going to trade away 3 players, get someone who can make a big difference. Not a guy who's an average center, and another guy who's stats are inflated because he plays for the crappy Kings.

 

You act like they traded good players or something. The only thing of value that the bulls gave up was Gooden's expiring, and the fact that they got rid of Nocioni's contract makees up for it. Poeple are going to be dissapointing because it's not an Amare trade, but it's definitely a good trade. Plus it's very 2010 friendly

 

Over the long term it's not, I think. This might put the Bulls into the playoffs as an 8 seed only to get crushed by Lebron or Garnett. Next year.. on the other hand...

 

With this trade, the Bulls are basically showing Gordon the door at the end of the season with Salmons coming on. Salmons' numbers are inflated because he's played about half of the season without Martin and Garcia.

 

Brad Miller hasn't been good since 05, and that's pushing it. He's never healthy.

 

Add on that Hughes and Hinrich will probably be gone, and the Bulls have pretty much depleted this team depth-wise going into the 2009 season (considering there aren't very many good free agents this upcoming off-season).

 

I think gearing up to the 2010 season is foolish. Lebron is pretty much either staying in Cleveland or going to NYC (that is if he opts out). I'm not so sure Wade is going to opt out of Miami. Same goes for Stoudemire or Dirk. Portland isn't going to let Brandon Roy go as he's a restricted FA.

 

Okay, so what is bad about this trade? I'm not saying it makes us good this year or next year, but what bad does it do?

 

Depletes this team's depth, and overall talent. Pretty much keeps them right at the 8 seed in the Eastern Conference Playoffs or not in. Lateral move.

 

Gooden is better than Miller. Salmons won't be better than Gordon (that is if he leaves which I think is going to happen).

 

Simple.

[ChiCubsFan]

I really like this trade. It became obvious in the past few days that Amare wasn't coming to the Bulls. Since there's really no FA I'm dying to get in this class, it's best that we get out of Noc's contract and add another contract that comes off in 2010 and go for it all then. Now if we can just trade Deng and/or Hinrich for anyone with an expiring 2010 contract that would be awesome.

 

I honestly don't know much about Salmons. Is he a guy you'd be comfortable with starting if you have Rose and Amare also on the team? Or will he be better used in a 6th man role?

[SpongeWorthy]

Hmm, I like this deal. Salmons has inflated numbers but he's been a pretty excellent 3 point shooter this year and he's got good size for a 2 guard. And now we have two fat expiring deals for 2010. Even if we don't outright get a superstar FA I have no doubt a true difference maker will become available in the trade market.

[Guest]

Is Brad Miller even back from injury yet? I bet he's real happy to be going back to Chicago after his first tour there.

 

This is a lateral move for the Bulls at best. If you're going to trade away 3 players, get someone who can make a big difference. Not a guy who's an average center, and another guy who's stats are inflated because he plays for the crappy Kings.

 

You act like they traded good players or something. The only thing of value that the bulls gave up was Gooden's expiring, and the fact that they got rid of Nocioni's contract makees up for it. Poeple are going to be dissapointing because it's not an Amare trade, but it's definitely a good trade. Plus it's very 2010 friendly

 

Over the long term it's not, I think. This might put the Bulls into the playoffs as an 8 seed only to get crushed by Lebron or Garnett. Next year.. on the other hand...

 

With this trade, the Bulls are basically showing Gordon the door at the end of the season with Salmons coming on. Salmons' numbers are inflated because he's played about half of the season without Martin and Garcia.

 

Brad Miller hasn't been good since 05, and that's pushing it. He's never healthy.

 

Add on that Hughes and Hinrich will probably be gone, and the Bulls have pretty much depleted this team depth-wise going into the 2009 season (considering there aren't very many good free agents this upcoming off-season).

 

I think gearing up to the 2010 season is foolish. Lebron is pretty much either staying in Cleveland or going to NYC (that is if he opts out). I'm not so sure Wade is going to opt out of Miami. Same goes for Stoudemire or Dirk. Portland isn't going to let Brandon Roy go as he's a restricted FA.

 

Okay, so what is bad about this trade? I'm not saying it makes us good this year or next year, but what bad does it do?

 

Depletes this team's depth, and overall talent. Pretty much keeps them right at the 8 seed in the Eastern Conference Playoffs or not in. Lateral move.

 

Gooden is better than Miller. Salmons won't be better than Gordon (that is if he leaves which I think is going to happen).

 

Simple.

 

But Gordon was going to go no matter what.

[SpongeWorthy]

Also we won't have to worry about Vinny stupidly taking away TT's minutes when he screws up--which he'll do...a lot. But he needs to play through that.

[Mark_R]

i have heard through a reliable source that Kirk will be dealt sometime later tonight or tomorrow to the Wolves for Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins.

[17 Seconds]

Is Brad Miller even back from injury yet? I bet he's real happy to be going back to Chicago after his first tour there.

 

This is a lateral move for the Bulls at best. If you're going to trade away 3 players, get someone who can make a big difference. Not a guy who's an average center, and another guy who's stats are inflated because he plays for the crappy Kings.

 

You act like they traded good players or something. The only thing of value that the bulls gave up was Gooden's expiring, and the fact that they got rid of Nocioni's contract makees up for it. Poeple are going to be dissapointing because it's not an Amare trade, but it's definitely a good trade. Plus it's very 2010 friendly

 

Over the long term it's not, I think. This might put the Bulls into the playoffs as an 8 seed only to get crushed by Lebron or Garnett. Next year.. on the other hand...

 

With this trade, the Bulls are basically showing Gordon the door at the end of the season with Salmons coming on. Salmons' numbers are inflated because he's played about half of the season without Martin and Garcia.

 

Brad Miller hasn't been good since 05, and that's pushing it. He's never healthy.

 

Add on that Hughes and Hinrich will probably be gone, and the Bulls have pretty much depleted this team depth-wise going into the 2009 season (considering there aren't very many good free agents this upcoming off-season).

 

I think gearing up to the 2010 season is foolish. Lebron is pretty much either staying in Cleveland or going to NYC (that is if he opts out). I'm not so sure Wade is going to opt out of Miami. Same goes for Stoudemire or Dirk. Portland isn't going to let Brandon Roy go as he's a restricted FA.

 

Okay, so what is bad about this trade? I'm not saying it makes us good this year or next year, but what bad does it do?

 

Depletes this team's depth, and overall talent. Pretty much keeps them right at the 8 seed in the Eastern Conference Playoffs or not in. Lateral move.

 

Gooden is better than Miller. Salmons won't be better than Gordon (that is if he leaves which I think is going to happen).

 

Simple.

 

Gordon is leaving anyway, and Gooden is definitely not Better than Miller. I don't really see the "depletes the team's depth and overall talent" stuff is coming from. That doesn't really make any sense. Gooden and Nocioni blow. Gooden and Salmons are better, and we also get rid of Nocioni's contract. This is a lateral move at WORST. I don't see a single thing coming out of this trade that could make the team worse. I think you're just dissapointed that it's not a blockbuster trade. A trade doesn't have to be great to be good.

 

Also I think it's unfair how you just write off the 2010 facotr, as though we have no chance at Stoudemire/Wade/Bosh/Dirk/LeBron, and pretty silly to call the idea "foolish". What makes you think those guys WON'T test free agency? Of course they will. It's foolish to think that they won't, and despite what you might believe, Chicago is still an attractive destination, especially now that Rose is here.

[ChiCubsFan]

i have heard through a reliable source that Kirk will be dealt sometime later tonight or tomorrow to the Wolves for Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins.

 

That would be fantastic. Collins is only signed through this year and Cardinal's 6.3M would come off for 2010. We'd have enough space to sign a top FA (Amare or Bosh) and also get another very solid FA.

[ChiCubsFan]

Wow. We'd have over $30M coming off in 2010 between Hughes, Miller, and Cardinal.

[wolf stansson]

i have heard through a reliable source that Kirk will be dealt sometime later tonight or tomorrow to the Wolves for Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins.

Who's your source? PM me.

 

Ps, even if you don't, I'm going to act like you did to make everyone else jealous.

[manbearcub]

coming off in 2010 = 2 seasons from now?

 

next year is going to be quite the joke.

[ChiCubsFan]

coming off in 2010 = 2 seasons from now?

 

next year is going to be quite the joke.

 

It's the only way to win in the NBA. You need superstars. They could also trade their expiring contracts for a star as well.

 

That said, 2009 would be pretty much the same as this season. Maybe a little better if Rose, T2, and Noah continue to improve.

 

I have no problem waiting for 2010 if it means we get either Amare or Bosh and another good #3 option to go along with one of them and Rose.

[Soul]

coming off in 2010 = 2 seasons from now?

 

next year is going to be quite the joke.

 

It's the only way to win in the NBA. You need superstars. They could also trade their expiring contracts for a star as well.

 

That said, 2009 would be pretty much the same as this season. Maybe a little better if Rose, T2, and Noah continue to improve.

 

I have no problem waiting for 2010 if it means we get either Amare or Bosh and another good #3 option to go along with one of them and Rose.

 

OK, I understand this. But last time we had a load of cash, every FA in the league said no to us and we wound up with nothing. So there's no guarantee. I hesitate to say any top FA is really going to want to play for Vinny. Everyone knows he's a joke so please tell me part of this plan is to get a real coach.

 

Here's what I know. A couple days ago we were going to get Amare. Today, we wound up with nothing. An all-too-familiar position to be in with this franchise.

 

At some point the big acquisition needs to be actually completed. Positioning is great n' all, but my confidence in this club to close the deal with a top player remains very, very low.

[ChiCubsFan]

coming off in 2010 = 2 seasons from now?

 

next year is going to be quite the joke.

 

It's the only way to win in the NBA. You need superstars. They could also trade their expiring contracts for a star as well.

 

That said, 2009 would be pretty much the same as this season. Maybe a little better if Rose, T2, and Noah continue to improve.

 

I have no problem waiting for 2010 if it means we get either Amare or Bosh and another good #3 option to go along with one of them and Rose.

 

OK, I understand this. But last time we had a load of cash, every FA in the league said no to us and we wound up with nothing. So there's no guarantee. I hesitate to say any top FA is really going to want to play for Vinny. Everyone knows he's a joke so please tell me part of this plan is to get a real coach.

 

Here's what I know. A couple days ago we were going to get Amare. Today, we wound up with nothing. An all-too-familiar position to be in with this franchise.

 

At some point the big acquisition needs to be actually completed. Positioning is great n' all, but my confidence in this club to close the deal with a top player remains very, very low.

 

Well we didn't have Derrek Rose on the roster last time around. I completely agree with you about the coach, however. Vinny would definitely have to be replaced by then.

 

As for Amare, I don't really know what happened. It sounds like Phoenix just realized that a coaching switch might be the smarter move than trading Amare. If it comes out that the hold up was including Noah or a 1st round pick or something, then you have something to be mad about, but it looks like this was just on the Suns.

 

There's a lot of time between now and the summer of 2010, but I'd say there's a high probability of the Bulls being able to land either Wade, Amare, or Bosh (as well as another FA).

[ChiCubsFan]

I've seen more traveling violations called in this quarter than I've seen in the past 5 years combined.

[Cynosure]

This is awful officiating, yea I said it...

[UMFan83]

i agree.

 

It sounds like there are as many Bulls fans there as Bucks fans.

[bcl412]

This is a little late but I am sad to see Nocioni go. And if the rumors are true I will be sad to see Hinrich go (I love seeing the Iowa boy wearing the Bulls jersey.). They were a big part of the Bulls return to the playoffs and that team was one of my favorite teams that I've watched in my sports fan life.

 

I understand that it needs to be done though and it is for the future (and Noc and Hinrich aren't that great) but the Nocioni trade and the potential Hinrich trade has some sentamental value to me.

 

Sorry for the emo sports moment. I just had to throw that out there.

[bcl412]

Well, this is a good win to get in the battle to lose to Boston or Cleveland in the first round.

[UMFan83]

coming off in 2010 = 2 seasons from now?

 

next year is going to be quite the joke.

 

It's the only way to win in the NBA. You need superstars. They could also trade their expiring contracts for a star as well.

 

That said, 2009 would be pretty much the same as this season. Maybe a little better if Rose, T2, and Noah continue to improve.

 

I have no problem waiting for 2010 if it means we get either Amare or Bosh and another good #3 option to go along with one of them and Rose.

 

OK, I understand this. But last time we had a load of cash, every FA in the league said no to us and we wound up with nothing. So there's no guarantee. I hesitate to say any top FA is really going to want to play for Vinny. Everyone knows he's a joke so please tell me part of this plan is to get a real coach.

 

Here's what I know. A couple days ago we were going to get Amare. Today, we wound up with nothing. An all-too-familiar position to be in with this franchise.

 

At some point the big acquisition needs to be actually completed. Positioning is great n' all, but my confidence in this club to close the deal with a top player remains very, very low.

 

This was the Bulls roster the last time they went shopping for FAs:

 

Chris Antsey

Ron Artest (lightly regarded rookie)

Corey Benjamin

Elton Brand (ROY - ok)

Randy Brown

Chris Carr

Kornel David

Hersey Hawkins

Fred Hoiberg

Michael Ruffin

Dickey Simpkins

 

Tell me what FA in their right mind would want to goto that team. Is Tim Duncan going to make that team anything?

 

Now look at the players we will have under contract in 2010

 

Kirk Hinrich (if not traded)

Luol Deng

Tyrus Thomas (will be RFA but likely to be part of the team)

John Salmons

Derrick Rose

Joakim Noah

 

All 6 of those players are better than anyone on the 00-01 team except Brand.

 

You have one probable superstar (Rose), a nice 3rd or 4th option (Deng), and several above average role players in place. That situation screams for a superstar low post player to jump in and start competing for the top of the Eastern Conference. And prospective FAs know that. As an added bonus, most NBA players absolutely LOVE to play with elite PGs like Derrick Rose. He makes players better and scoring statistics higher.

[Soul]

coming off in 2010 = 2 seasons from now?

 

next year is going to be quite the joke.

 

It's the only way to win in the NBA. You need superstars. They could also trade their expiring contracts for a star as well.

 

That said, 2009 would be pretty much the same as this season. Maybe a little better if Rose, T2, and Noah continue to improve.

 

I have no problem waiting for 2010 if it means we get either Amare or Bosh and another good #3 option to go along with one of them and Rose.

 

OK, I understand this. But last time we had a load of cash, every FA in the league said no to us and we wound up with nothing. So there's no guarantee. I hesitate to say any top FA is really going to want to play for Vinny. Everyone knows he's a joke so please tell me part of this plan is to get a real coach.

 

Here's what I know. A couple days ago we were going to get Amare. Today, we wound up with nothing. An all-too-familiar position to be in with this franchise.

 

At some point the big acquisition needs to be actually completed. Positioning is great n' all, but my confidence in this club to close the deal with a top player remains very, very low.

 

This was the Bulls roster the last time they went shopping for FAs:

 

Chris Antsey

Ron Artest (lightly regarded rookie)

Corey Benjamin

Elton Brand (ROY - ok)

Randy Brown

Chris Carr

Kornel David

Hersey Hawkins

Fred Hoiberg

Michael Ruffin

Dickey Simpkins

 

Tell me what FA in their right mind would want to goto that team. Is Tim Duncan going to make that team anything?

 

Now look at the players we will have under contract in 2010

 

Kirk Hinrich (if not traded)

Luol Deng

Tyrus Thomas (will be RFA but likely to be part of the team)

John Salmons

Derrick Rose

Joakim Noah

 

All 6 of those players are better than anyone on the 00-01 team except Brand.

 

You have one probable superstar (Rose), a nice 3rd or 4th option (Deng), and several above average role players in place. That situation screams for a superstar low post player to jump in and start competing for the top of the Eastern Conference. And prospective FAs know that. As an added bonus, most NBA players absolutely LOVE to play with elite PGs like Derrick Rose. He makes players better and scoring statistics higher.

 

Elton Brand was highly regarded on that team as a rook. So is Rose. Both were top picks.

 

I don't think the situation is as different as you think it is. The Bulls are a better team right now than that team, but ultimately the only piece FA's will know is here is Rose. The rest is fluid.

 

Look, all I'm saying is just because we free up all this cash doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work. I for one would rather we be able to close one of these pending deals we've had. I'm sick of waiting to be in the perfect position to make a huge deal. It's long past time to actually make it happen with this club.

[Illini Iceman]

On the other, a source close to Kirk Hinrich said the Bulls rejected a salary-dump proposal from Minnesota that would have netted them the expiring contract of Jason Collins and one more season of Brian Cardinal.

 

And two league sources said a nearly completed deal sending Hughes to the Knicks for Malik Rose and Jerome James fell apart Wednesday.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi090218-chicago-bulls-trade-kings-timberwolves,0,3854012.story

[DivineBovine]

Why does everyone keep talking about Salmon's "inflated" numbers? Maybe so, but its pretty tough to "inflate" FG%. He is shooting 47% from the field and 42% from 3 pts. Jamal Crawford and Jalen Rose could never sniff a high FG% when jacking shots and padding stats with crappy Bulls teams.

 

I'll miss Nocioni, but this is a good trade. Salmon is cheap anyways. If Miller is healthy, he's the type of player they need. Plus, he's off the books in 2010.