4/15 - Bulls (41-40) vs. Toronto (32-49) - 7 pm, CSN

[Wilson A2000]

I wish Del Negro would leave with Paxson. Man I had high hopes for Paxson when he first signed on, but he has made a ton of bad moves. I don't think Jerry is not wanting to pull the trigger on Amare. He hasn't been afraid to make the big move beforehand. Concerning Amare, does microfracture surgery diminish his long-term health, or will he always be 100%?

 

I miss Scott Skiles. Paxson should never have fired him. Skiles looked bad because he had nothing to work with.

[wolf stansson]

Skiles looked bad because he had nothing to work with.

Skiles took the same players to the playoffs 3 times.

 

Paxson is the one who brought in Wallace.

 

They are both at fault.

[Tyrant]

I wish Del Negro would leave with Paxson. Man I had high hopes for Paxson when he first signed on, but he has made a ton of bad moves.

 

I disagree that he's made a ton of bad moves. His only huge mistake was signing Ben Wallace, I feel. Unfortunately, he hasn't made any great moves, either. To me, he's the definition of mediocre.

[17 Seconds]

You're forgetting the drafts

[RedFlash]

I wish Del Negro would leave with Paxson. Man I had high hopes for Paxson when he first signed on, but he has made a ton of bad moves.

 

I disagree that he's made a ton of bad moves. His only huge mistake was signing Ben Wallace, I feel. Unfortunately, he hasn't made any great moves, either. To me, he's the definition of mediocre.

 

Agree. Paxson with the help of Skiles did make Bulls a relevent team in the NBA again. Paxson's biggest fault was the fact he wasn't a risk taker. And the one risk he did take, he got BURNED on (Ben Wallace). Looking back at it, letting Deng/Gordon walk as FA or via trades would have been the best moves he could make. Deng has proven he is Eddie Robinson will some skill. Gordon is a 1 Dimension scorer with no other skills. So I agree with you Tyrant, Paxson wasn't a terrible GM who "made a ton of bad moves".

[imb]

damn, chris tucker got fat

[wolf stansson]

You're forgetting the drafts

Explain. He didn't pull off any coups, but he didn't do anything unforgivable either. Even Tyrus/Aldridge isn't looking terrible.

[UMFan83]

You're forgetting the drafts

Explain. He didn't pull off any coups, but he didn't do anything unforgivable either. Even Tyrus/Aldridge isn't looking terrible.

 

Thabo?

Thomas was an iffy pick because the Bulls were in a position to hypothetically contend that year and what they really needed was a NBA ready PF, not a 2-3 year mega-project SF.

[illiniguy]

damn, chris tucker got fat

Yeah he did. I hate these type games though. It's just sad to see Dominique Wilkins trying to play in that shape. I laso hate how once again Lisa Leslie is on the NBA all star show. Is she still really the one to push from the WNBA 10 years later? Give us Candice Parker and Diana Taurasi.

[Derwood]

You're forgetting the drafts

Explain. He didn't pull off any coups, but he didn't do anything unforgivable either. Even Tyrus/Aldridge isn't looking terrible.

Thabo?

 

Philly drafted Thabo and then traded him to the Bulls for Rodney Carney

[Wilson A2000]

Deng has proven he is Eddie Robinson will some skill. Gordon is a 1 Dimension scorer with no other skills. So I agree with you Tyrant, Paxson wasn't a terrible GM who "made a ton of bad moves".

 

Deng is one dimensional. He can only shoot the 15-17 fotter. He can't play defense, he can't dribble, he can't shoot the three (which you need to do as a 3 in the NBA), he can't post-up, and he isn't physical.

 

Paxson has made a bunch of bad moves. I would have kept Chandler. He hired Vinny. He got Wallace. He passed on Roy and traded Aldridge. He drafted Thomas and Noah. He didn't want to trade Deng. He signed Deng. He didn't pull the trigger on Gasol, Kobe, or Garnett.

 

His parting gift better be trading for Amare.

 

Paxson briefly turned the Bulsl around after the Floyd mess. But he overvalued the Bulls in a terrible east. When was the last time the Bulls had and All-Star? The Jordan years?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Paxson brought D'Antoni to the table before Reinsdorf fudged it all up. People need to realize that ownership is the real problem.

[Derwood]

Paxson brought D'Antoni to the table before Reinsdorf fudged it all up. People need to realize that ownership is the real problem.

 

and since ownership isn't changing in th near future, it's hardly worth constantly bringing up.

[UMFan83]

You're forgetting the drafts

Explain. He didn't pull off any coups, but he didn't do anything unforgivable either. Even Tyrus/Aldridge isn't looking terrible.

Thabo?

 

Philly drafted Thabo and then traded him to the Bulls for Rodney Carney

 

Yeah it was a prearranged deal because Pax wanted him and wanted to make sure he got him.

[wolf stansson]

When was the last time the Bulls had and All-Star? The Jordan years?

Dude. How can you forget the Jalen Rose era?

 

Thabo?

Thomas was an iffy pick because the Bulls were in a position to hypothetically contend that year and what they really needed was a NBA ready PF, not a 2-3 year mega-project SF.

I don't think Thomas was that iffy. We were a playoff team and it looked like we could take on a project because after all, we just signed super-stud, Ben Wallace. Aldridge was definitely a sure thing or NBA ready according to most scouts. Thabo obviously sucks, but who else should we have gotten in hindsight?

[UMFan83]

When was the last time the Bulls had and All-Star? The Jordan years?

Dude. How can you forget the Jalen Rose era?

 

Thabo?

Thomas was an iffy pick because the Bulls were in a position to hypothetically contend that year and what they really needed was a NBA ready PF, not a 2-3 year mega-project SF.

I don't think Thomas was that iffy. We were a playoff team and it looked like we could take on a project because after all, we just signed super-stud, Ben Wallace. Aldridge was definitely a sure thing or NBA ready according to most scouts. Thabo obviously sucks, but who else should we have gotten in hindsight?

 

Jalen Rose never made the All Star team as a Bull. MJ is our last All Star. At least we don't have the longest drought. Golden State's last All Star was Latrell Spreewell in 1997.

 

I don't know who the Bulls should have gotten. It's not my job to be a talent evaluator. I actually didn't hate the Thabo pick. He was a tall guard that had a lot of reach, and one of our biggest problems at the time was defending large guards. Thabo looked like he could do a bit of everything, and I don't think he was picked to become a starter. Maybe a 6th or 7th man.

 

If you want to look at players drafted after Thabo you have Rondo, Farmar, Sergio Rodriguez, Craig Smith, Daniel Gibson, Paul Milsap. But I don't blame the Bulls for not taking any of them, the point was that Thabo was a draft pick that didn't work out.

[cubswin2009]

Paxson brought D'Antoni to the table before Reinsdorf fudged it all up. People need to realize that ownership is the real problem.

+1

[Soul]

Paxson brought D'Antoni to the table before Reinsdorf fudged it all up. People need to realize that ownership is the real problem.

+1

 

-1

 

I don't know of anyone who doesn't realize Jerry's a problem. Nothing can be done about JR. Maybe shout at him a little bit from the curb as he gets in his limo.

[RedFlash]

Paxson brought D'Antoni to the table before Reinsdorf fudged it all up. People need to realize that ownership is the real problem.

+1

 

-1

 

I don't know of anyone who doesn't realize Jerry's a problem. Nothing can be done about JR. Maybe shout at him a little bit from the curb as he gets in his limo.

 

Like Krause and his infamous "Players don't win championships, organizations do" line, Reinsdork has his own line, “I trade all six of [the Bulls basketball titles] for one baseball championship." Ever since Reinsdork made that statement, I knew he would never seriously run the Bulls like they should be run. I hate the fact that JR runs the Bulls as he is simply killing time in the offseason waiting for the White Sox to return. Reinsdorf is the main reason why I am an opponent of owners owning more then one sports franchise, cause ultimately one team under said owner's control will be treated like a step child, and the Bulls are the team that Reinsdorf basically ignores.

[wolf stansson]

Paxson brought D'Antoni to the table before Reinsdorf fudged it all up. People need to realize that ownership is the real problem.

+1

 

-1

 

I don't know of anyone who doesn't realize Jerry's a problem. Nothing can be done about JR. Maybe shout at him a little bit from the curb as he gets in his limo.

I'm gonna sneak up on him while he is polishing his 7 championship rings that his teams won for him and then yell at him.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Paxson brought D'Antoni to the table before Reinsdorf fudged it all up. People need to realize that ownership is the real problem.

 

and since ownership isn't changing in th near future, it's hardly worth constantly bringing up.

It is when people want to take swings at a GM like Paxson for things that are out of his control.

[Derwood]

Paxson brought D'Antoni to the table before Reinsdorf fudged it all up. People need to realize that ownership is the real problem.

 

and since ownership isn't changing in th near future, it's hardly worth constantly bringing up.

It is when people want to take swings at a GM like Paxson for things that are out of his control.

 

no one knows what's going on with the Stoudemire deal, though. you simply assume that Reinsdorf is meddling

[David]

A bunch of Cavs posters at the Cavs RealGM board seem to believe Amare is headed to Cleveland based on some, apparently, reputable posters.

 

 

That said, the Cleveland offer is basically a joke and the only way that is going down is if there's some behind the scenes nonsense. There were some suggestions that the Cavs' owner is willing to scratch Sarver's back in some real estate dealings or something to that effect and that this would somehow not be against league rules. I don't really buy it, but I figured I'd pass it on to whoever hasn't been following the saga. This alleged Cleveland deal would also, btw, require some sort of opt out by Wally Szczerbiak (who would be sent to PHX) which would result in him leaving millions of dollars on the table. Otherwise, as I understand it, Wally's contract wouldn't be attractive to PHX. So yea, as of right now, the whole thing seems really far-fetched, even more so than I believed before I typed it out.

 

 

Anyway, here's the latest news from legitimate media. Hollinger's all star notebook...

 

A while back I was talking to another exec about the Bulls, and he mentioned that he didn't think Bulls general manager John Paxson was a lifer. He meant this in a good way, that Paxson had lots of outside interests and was a well-rounded person rather than a compulsive hoophead. Given that background, I don't find Friday's rumors of Paxson's stepping down at some point in the near future terribly surprising.

 

The impression I was given was that Paxson would try to quickly get the Bulls back to a point where he could walk away satisfied. If he were to pair Amare Stoudemire with Derrick Rose, I'd think he'd be in a position to do that; right now, the Bulls offer of Tyrus Thomas, Thabo Sefolosha and the expiring contracts of Drew Gooden and Cedric Simmons appears to be the leader in the clubhouse as we approach Thursday's trade deadline.

Edited February 14, 2009 by David

[David]

Paxson brought D'Antoni to the table before Reinsdorf fudged it all up. People need to realize that ownership is the real problem.

 

and since ownership isn't changing in th near future, it's hardly worth constantly bringing up.

 

except when people are bashing Paxson and the people bringing it up believe that ownership is actually more responsible for the things Paxson is being bashed for than Paxson himself. then, it's more than hardly worth bringing up.

 

 

EDIT - damn... didn't see that I was beaten... by a good margin too :oops:

[SpongeWorthy]

I don't live in Chicago but from my perspective when JR said he'd trade all 6 NBA championships for one World Series it wasn't as controversial is it should have been. Was it a big deal over there? It didn't make many waves nationally that I can recall. It's a flabbergasting thing to say and a huge slap to all basketball fans in the area who pretty much only root for the Bulls.