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[ChiCubsfan0502]

Just saying.

 

 

 

 

 

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What can we really do? we have center field and MAYBE rf (though I doubt they'll give up on Fukudome already after shelling about 48 mil) to fill. I really don't expect much this offseason. They'll probably re-sign Wood and overpay for Dempster, then tell us how they've already built a 97 win team and they just need to stay healthy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

[ChiCubsfan0502]

What can we really do? we have center field and MAYBE rf (though I doubt they'll give up on Fukudome already after shelling about 48 mil) to fill. I really don't expect much this offseason. They'll probably re-sign Wood and overpay for Dempster, then tell us how they've already built a 97 win team and they just need to stay healthy.

 

I have no idea what they will do but I honestly don't know how we can be expected to believe in ANYTHING they do. How much can you improve a 97 win team? It's not as if we are talking about the 85 win team from a year ago when you knew they had to get better.

 

Even if they signed C.C., or traded for a Brian Roberts, I'll always think they'll choke. It's what they do, it's what they have always done.

Edited October 5, 2008 by ChiCubsfan0502

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What can we really do? we have center field and MAYBE rf (though I doubt they'll give up on Fukudome already after shelling about 48 mil) to fill. I really don't expect much this offseason. They'll probably re-sign Wood and overpay for Dempster, then tell us how they've already built a 97 win team and they just need to stay healthy.

 

I have no idea what they will do but I honestly don't know how we can be expected to believe in ANYTHING they do. How much can you improve a 97 win team. It's not as if we are talking about the 85 win team from a year ago when you knew they had to get better.

 

Even if they signed C.C., or traded for a Brian Roberts, I'll always think they'll choke. It's what they do, it's what they have always done.

 

We need another frontline starter. Zambrano and Harden will be lucky to have three good arms between them by next June.

[NCCubFan]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 100%

[XZero771679666304]

What can we really do? we have center field and MAYBE rf (though I doubt they'll give up on Fukudome already after shelling about 48 mil) to fill. I really don't expect much this offseason. They'll probably re-sign Wood and overpay for Dempster, then tell us how they've already built a 97 win team and they just need to stay healthy.

 

I think we'll see a deal for another SP. I think Marquis is gone, and maybe Marshall. Isn't Howry's contract up? He will be replaced.

 

I am sure there will be some moves no one sees coming (for better or worse).

 

But realistically speaking, I think the Cards grossly overachieved this year and I can't see the Brewers not taking a step back.

[XZero771679666304]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 100%

100% for me. This applies to the rest of my natural life.

 

Personally, I don't have time for even a hint of fairweather.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

What can we really do? we have center field and MAYBE rf (though I doubt they'll give up on Fukudome already after shelling about 48 mil) to fill. I really don't expect much this offseason. They'll probably re-sign Wood and overpay for Dempster, then tell us how they've already built a 97 win team and they just need to stay healthy.

 

I think we'll see a deal for another SP. I think Marquis is gone, and maybe Marshall. Isn't Howry's contract up? He will be replaced.

 

I am sure there will be some moves no one sees coming (for better or worse).

 

But realistically speaking, I think the Cards grossly overachieved this year and I can't see the Brewers not taking a step back.

 

And then we will win the division again, with the best record in the NL, get home field advantage, hear Ron Santo tell us "THIS IS THE YEAR" and then lose in the NLDS again.

 

Of course, I'll be back for it but after this year, I'm emotionally spent. The best Cubs team most of us have ever had, just got embarrassed. Same crap, different year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 100%

100% for me. This applies to the rest of my natural life.

 

Personally, I don't have time for even a hint of fairweather.

 

To each their own. If you guys still enjoy it, do it. But there's a point where it's just not fun anymore, and these guys are getting close to it for me.

 

I can handle a couple first-round losses. But, as always with the Cubs, the losing has to be stretched to the point of absurdity. They can't just lose three straight, it has to be by a combined score of 20-6. They have to almost have more errors than runs.

 

It has to be 9 straight lost playoff games by a combined score of 57-18.

 

It has to be another year of "If they don't win it all none of it matters" talk. It has to be another year of every single time the Cubs are broadcast on national TV seeing the Bartman play 10 times and hearing the phrase "101 years" 35 times.

[robnail]

Tragically, I think my only way out is fathering a child and raising him or her in a geographic location far from Chicago. I don't see it happening before next season. I'm accepting applications, ladies.

[illiniguy]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 100%

100% for me. This applies to the rest of my natural life.

 

Personally, I don't have time for even a hint of fairweather.

 

To each their own. If you guys still enjoy it, do it. But there's a point where it's just not fun anymore, and these guys are getting close to it for me.

 

I can handle a couple first-round losses. But, as always with the Cubs, the losing has to be stretched to the point of absurdity. They can't just lose three straight, it has to be by a combined score of 20-6. They have to almost have more errors than runs.

 

It has to be 9 straight lost playoff games by a combined score of 57-18.

 

It has to be another year of "If they don't win it all none of it matters" talk. It has to be another year of every single time the Cubs are broadcast on national TV seeing the Bartman play 10 times and hearing the phrase "101 years" 35 times.

Good, go. But, don't come back when we do win it all. Which we will. As a stat guy you have to think it is pretty good that we are getting back at a much better rate to the playoffs than we ever have. We will break through at some point.

[UMFan83]

It has to be 9 straight lost playoff games by a combined score of 57-18.

 

You keep running out that stat but its not true

 

4-0

8-3

9-6

2-1

8-4

5-1

7-2

10-3

3-1

 

I count 56-21. Not a huge difference but lets try to be accurate here.

[Shilzzz]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 100%

100% for me. This applies to the rest of my natural life.

 

Personally, I don't have time for even a hint of fairweather.

 

To each their own. If you guys still enjoy it, do it. But there's a point where it's just not fun anymore, and these guys are getting close to it for me.

 

I can handle a couple first-round losses. But, as always with the Cubs, the losing has to be stretched to the point of absurdity. They can't just lose three straight, it has to be by a combined score of 20-6. They have to almost have more errors than runs.

 

It has to be 9 straight lost playoff games by a combined score of 57-18.

 

It has to be another year of "If they don't win it all none of it matters" talk. It has to be another year of every single time the Cubs are broadcast on national TV seeing the Bartman play 10 times and hearing the phrase "101 years" 35 times.

 

Thank you. Fairweather has nothing to do with it. I am not switching teams, because I couldn't root for any other team. I just can not watch this over and over again while having so much emotionally invested. It's just dumb. Why would I purposefully put myself through something like that? And pay hard earned cash for tickets and merch and cable to watch ( I would not have cable except for baseball).

 

There are simply much more interesting things that could positively effect myself and the world around me with the time i spend watching baseball, reading about baseball, playing fantasy baseball or video games. I always shrugged off Noam Chomsky's argument about sports, but he is very correct.

 

Have fun 09 and beyond! Hopefully it does more for you all in the future than it has in the past.

[Shilzzz]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 100%

100% for me. This applies to the rest of my natural life.

 

Personally, I don't have time for even a hint of fairweather.

 

To each their own. If you guys still enjoy it, do it. But there's a point where it's just not fun anymore, and these guys are getting close to it for me.

 

I can handle a couple first-round losses. But, as always with the Cubs, the losing has to be stretched to the point of absurdity. They can't just lose three straight, it has to be by a combined score of 20-6. They have to almost have more errors than runs.

 

It has to be 9 straight lost playoff games by a combined score of 57-18.

 

It has to be another year of "If they don't win it all none of it matters" talk. It has to be another year of every single time the Cubs are broadcast on national TV seeing the Bartman play 10 times and hearing the phrase "101 years" 35 times.

Good, go. But, don't come back when we do win it all. Which we will. As a stat guy you have to think it is pretty good that we are getting back at a much better rate to the playoffs than we ever have. We will break through at some point.

 

You do realize that's the same thing you, your dad, and your grandfather have said, right? You all should be very empathetic towards the helplessness of the victims of abusive relationships.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't get the "same stuff as always" gripes.

 

For almost 40 years, the Cubs managed a whopping total of 3 playoff appearances. In the last 6 they've gone 3 times and just missed a 4th. Yeah, the results so far hae been painful, but putting together teams that can get into the postseason mcuh more often drastically increases the odds of actually pushing through to the Fall Classic. The odds of seeing playoff failures also must increase in that scenario. I'd much rather see the Cubs fail more often in the playoffs like this than hinge everything on a fluke push once every 10, 15 or 25 years.

[Sammy Sofa]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 100%

100% for me. This applies to the rest of my natural life.

 

Personally, I don't have time for even a hint of fairweather.

 

To each their own. If you guys still enjoy it, do it. But there's a point where it's just not fun anymore, and these guys are getting close to it for me.

 

I can handle a couple first-round losses. But, as always with the Cubs, the losing has to be stretched to the point of absurdity. They can't just lose three straight, it has to be by a combined score of 20-6. They have to almost have more errors than runs.

 

It has to be 9 straight lost playoff games by a combined score of 57-18.

 

It has to be another year of "If they don't win it all none of it matters" talk. It has to be another year of every single time the Cubs are broadcast on national TV seeing the Bartman play 10 times and hearing the phrase "101 years" 35 times.

Good, go. But, don't come back when we do win it all. Which we will. As a stat guy you have to think it is pretty good that we are getting back at a much better rate to the playoffs than we ever have. We will break through at some point.

 

You do realize that's the same thing you, your dad, and your grandfather have said, right? You all should be very empathetic towards the helplessness of the victims of abusive relationships.

 

What?

 

Most of our fathers didn't see this team put together consistent playoff pushes.

[Cynosure]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

 

Aww cmon... being a Cubs fan is almost an incurable addiction.

[BigbadB]

I don't get the "same stuff as always" gripes.

 

For almost 40 years, the Cubs managed a whopping total of 3 playoff appearances. In the last 6 they've gone 3 times and just missed a 4th. Yeah, the results so far hae been painful, but putting together teams that can get into the postseason mcuh more often drastically increases the odds of actually pushing through to the Fall Classic. The odds of seeing playoff failures also must increase in that scenario. I'd much rather see the Cubs fail more often in the playoffs like this than hinge everything on a fluke push once every 10, 15 or 25 years.

 

I would agree with this. The sting has not subsided at this point, so I'm not really thinking about the future right now. But, a baseball season is very long, and at the very least, the Cubs have put together playoff caliber teams, which is much more than they were doing for the biggest portion of their history.

 

The playoffs are a crapshoot. The frustrating part of this playoff season is the Cubs played embarrassingly rather than fighting a good fight to the end.

 

I'll take a team that wins 90 games over a team that wins 60 all day long. I want a World Series win as much as the next guy, but you have to get there to even have a shot. And they have been putting themselves in a position to get there recently, so there is hope.

[Warren Brusstar]

Odds I'm still a Cubs fan at that point: 85%

 

Odds that anyone would miss you? 0%

[VicCub]

Give me a left-handed power bat. Same request I've had my whole life.

[JGalt73]

Tragically, I think my only way out is fathering a child and raising him or her in a geographic location far from Chicago. I don't see it happening before next season. I'm accepting applications, ladies.

 

I live 2100 miles away and I can tell you - it doesn't work....

[Hairyducked Idiot]

"Good, go. But, don't come back when we do win it all. Which we will. As a stat guy you have to think it is pretty good that we are getting back at a much better rate to the playoffs than we ever have. We will break through at some point."

 

But that's just my point. Would it even be that fun to win the WS anymore? Up to actually getting to the WS, every step would just be a reminder of the epic losses we've had at that point before.

 

"For almost 40 years, the Cubs managed a whopping total of 3 playoff appearances. In the last 6 they've gone 3 times and just missed a 4th. Yeah, the results so far hae been painful, but putting together teams that can get into the postseason mcuh more often drastically increases the odds of actually pushing through to the Fall Classic. The odds of seeing playoff failures also must increase in that scenario. I'd much rather see the Cubs fail more often in the playoffs like this than hinge everything on a fluke push once every 10, 15 or 25 years."

 

I'm not one of those Cubs fans who try to claim 100 years of suffering and what not. I've never seen a Cubs WS, but I'm only 28, and lots of teams haven't won it all in 28 years.

 

My problem with the Cubs isn't that they've never won it all while I'm watching, it's that they've so utterly and completely embarassed themselves every time in the playoffs. Three sweeps, one epic collapse for the ages from a 99.x% chance to win the pennant. Nine straight playoff losses by multiple runs and an unholy negative run differential. Holding the lead at the end of 3 innings out of the entire last six playoff games.

 

*That's* what makes it not fun anymore. I can handle a perfectly ordinary first-round loss, but these epic collapses just make it not fun. It's the difference between a great, 4-3 game with lots of exciting plays that your team loses, but you can still appreciate it as a great game, and a 11-1 embarassment with lots of gaffes.

[Sludgeworth21]

I always shrugged off Noam Chomsky's argument about sports, but he is very correct.

 

 

Being reminded of Chomsky's arrogant, self-centered view on spectator sports is making me excited for the NHL season, Hot Stove talk, and Paquiao vs. Delahoya in December.

 

Thanks for cheering me up!

[imb]

"Good, go. But, don't come back when we do win it all. Which we will. As a stat guy you have to think it is pretty good that we are getting back at a much better rate to the playoffs than we ever have. We will break through at some point."

 

But that's just my point. Would it even be that fun to win the WS anymore? Up to actually getting to the WS, every step would just be a reminder of the epic losses we've had at that point before.

 

"For almost 40 years, the Cubs managed a whopping total of 3 playoff appearances. In the last 6 they've gone 3 times and just missed a 4th. Yeah, the results so far hae been painful, but putting together teams that can get into the postseason mcuh more often drastically increases the odds of actually pushing through to the Fall Classic. The odds of seeing playoff failures also must increase in that scenario. I'd much rather see the Cubs fail more often in the playoffs like this than hinge everything on a fluke push once every 10, 15 or 25 years."

 

I'm not one of those Cubs fans who try to claim 100 years of suffering and what not. I've never seen a Cubs WS, but I'm only 28, and lots of teams haven't won it all in 28 years.

 

My problem with the Cubs isn't that they've never won it all while I'm watching, it's that they've so utterly and completely embarassed themselves every time in the playoffs. Three sweeps, one epic collapse for the ages from a 99.x% chance to win the pennant. Nine straight playoff losses by multiple runs and an unholy negative run differential. Holding the lead at the end of 3 innings out of the entire last six playoff games.

 

*That's* what makes it not fun anymore. I can handle a perfectly ordinary first-round loss, but these epic collapses just make it not fun. It's the difference between a great, 4-3 game with lots of exciting plays that your team loses, but you can still appreciate it as a great game, and a 11-1 embarassment with lots of gaffes.

 

not only would you quitting the cubs improve your life, it would improve ours too. sounds like a win-win. see ya