Jake Peavy: Available.

[erik316wttn]

Now it will be interesting to see how the Cubs fill out the rest of the bullpen. Gregg would not be a bad replacement for Howry in the pen. If the Cubs were able to get Fuentes or another good setup person, I like this move alot more.

If we got fuentes then why would we need Gregg...you talkin loco. Why do we need to replace Howry? He was no good last year and we were fine.

 

So because we made the playoffs, we shouldn't replace a crappy reliever?

 

Huh?

[cubsfan26]

If Peavy doesn't go to the Cubs that will be 3 of the last 4 offseasons where we've missed out on our number one target. This would piss me off less than the other 2 though.

 

Furcal? Soriano? Roberts? Peavy? I thought that Fukudome was our number one target last offseason though. According to Piniella it doesn't seem like Peavy is our number one target though. But who knows if he was being truthful or not.

[nilodnayr]

Now it will be interesting to see how the Cubs fill out the rest of the bullpen. Gregg would not be a bad replacement for Howry in the pen. If the Cubs were able to get Fuentes or another good setup person, I like this move alot more.

If we got fuentes then why would we need Gregg...you talkin loco. Why do we need to replace Howry? He was no good last year and we were fine.

 

So because we made the playoffs, we shouldn't replace a crappy reliever?

 

Huh?

 

Because we have adequate other internal options?

[17 Seconds]

If Peavy doesn't go to the Cubs that will be 3 of the last 4 offseasons where we've missed out on our number one target. This would piss me off less than the other 2 though.

 

Furcal? Soriano? Roberts? Peavy? I thought that Fukudome was our number one target last offseason though. According to Piniella it doesn't seem like Peavy is our number one target though. But who knows if he was being truthful or not.

 

We should know by now that Lou always plays dumb. He says that about every player we're rumored to be after. I don't think there's any doubt they wanted Roberts more than Fuku

 

And you're right about Soriano. I was thinking Furcal but I was a year early

[17 Seconds]

Now it will be interesting to see how the Cubs fill out the rest of the bullpen. Gregg would not be a bad replacement for Howry in the pen. If the Cubs were able to get Fuentes or another good setup person, I like this move alot more.

If we got fuentes then why would we need Gregg...you talkin loco. Why do we need to replace Howry? He was no good last year and we were fine.

 

So because we made the playoffs, we shouldn't replace a crappy reliever?

 

Huh?

 

I see what he was saying. Howry had nothing to do with our success last year. He was pretty much irrelevant and you don't need to replace irrelevance.

[erik316wttn]

Now it will be interesting to see how the Cubs fill out the rest of the bullpen. Gregg would not be a bad replacement for Howry in the pen. If the Cubs were able to get Fuentes or another good setup person, I like this move alot more.

If we got fuentes then why would we need Gregg...you talkin loco. Why do we need to replace Howry? He was no good last year and we were fine.

 

So because we made the playoffs, we shouldn't replace a crappy reliever?

 

Huh?

 

Because we have adequate other internal options?

 

You didn't say that, though. You said he shouldn't be replaced. If you would have said "We don't need to sign or trade for a bullpen arm because we have adequate internal options" there'd be no issue. You made it sound like you were arguing for keeping him on the team next year.

[17 Seconds]

Now it will be interesting to see how the Cubs fill out the rest of the bullpen. Gregg would not be a bad replacement for Howry in the pen. If the Cubs were able to get Fuentes or another good setup person, I like this move alot more.

If we got fuentes then why would we need Gregg...you talkin loco. Why do we need to replace Howry? He was no good last year and we were fine.

 

So because we made the playoffs, we shouldn't replace a crappy reliever?

 

Huh?

 

Because we have adequate other internal options?

 

You didn't say that, though. You said he shouldn't be replaced. If you would have said "We don't need to sign or trade for a bullpen arm because we have adequate internal options" there'd be no issue. You made it sound like you were arguing for keeping him on the team next year.

 

No he didn't... you misread it. Look at the post he was responding to. The guy was saying Howry's production needed to be replaced and nilo was just saying that it didn't.

[Clem Fandango]

You know what sucks? Coming into the Jack Peavy/Pins and Needles thread after seeing there's new posts and having to read about Kerry Wood or Kevin Gregg when there's two separate topics about both :thumbsup:

[El Rojito]

You know what else sucks?

 

1) Reading the Kerry Wood thread

2) Reading the Kevin Gregg thread

3) Reading this thread and finding out that we still don't have Peavy.

[UMFan83]

If Peavy doesn't go to the Cubs that will be 3 of the last 4 offseasons where we've missed out on our number one target. This would piss me off less than the other 2 though.

 

Huh? How is Peavy our number 1 target?

 

Our number 1 target from day 1 has been a left handed hitting 3/4/5 hitter.

[CUBZ99]

Now it will be interesting to see how the Cubs fill out the rest of the bullpen. Gregg would not be a bad replacement for Howry in the pen. If the Cubs were able to get Fuentes or another good setup person, I like this move alot more.

If we got fuentes then why would we need Gregg...you talkin loco. Why do we need to replace Howry? He was no good last year and we were fine.

 

So because we made the playoffs, we shouldn't replace a crappy reliever?

 

Huh?

 

Because we have adequate other internal options?

 

Who are these internal options that you speak of? Last year's pen was excellent because of the last two guys (Wood, Marmol).

 

Howry -- Pitiful

Eyre -- Worse than Howry

Shark -- Luck of the Irish, but he could be a solid reliever

Cotts -- Not bad for a 5th-6th innning guy

Hart -- Not much

Weurtz - can be lights out or terrible

 

I really don't see any adequate internal options.

[Soul]

Now it will be interesting to see how the Cubs fill out the rest of the bullpen. Gregg would not be a bad replacement for Howry in the pen. If the Cubs were able to get Fuentes or another good setup person, I like this move alot more.

If we got fuentes then why would we need Gregg...you talkin loco. Why do we need to replace Howry? He was no good last year and we were fine.

 

So because we made the playoffs, we shouldn't replace a crappy reliever?

 

Huh?

 

Because we have adequate other internal options?

 

Who are these internal options that you speak of? Last year's pen was excellent because of the last two guys (Wood, Marmol).

 

Howry -- Pitiful

Eyre -- Worse than Howry

Shark -- Luck of the Irish, but he could be a solid reliever

Cotts -- Not bad for a 5th-6th innning guy

Hart -- Not much

Weurtz - can be lights out or terrible

 

I really don't see any adequate internal options.

 

There's got to be an internal option that can give us better than Howry's 1.458 WHIP.

[hardcorecubfan]

If Peavy doesn't go to the Cubs that will be 3 of the last 4 offseasons where we've missed out on our number one target. This would piss me off less than the other 2 though.

 

Huh? How is Peavy our number 1 target?

 

Our number 1 target from day 1 has been a left handed hitting 3/4/5 hitter.

 

I think it was until we let Woody go and Dempter wasn't signed

[Guest]

Here's a wild thought...

 

Trade for Peavy and resign Dempster to fill the rotation, move Harden to closer in a Wood-like effort to keep him healthy all year.

[Blue W]

It's pretty hard to claim that Peavy is our number-one target. You can say that about free agents, but not guys who you have no control over in any way. Clearly, Hendry and Piniella, right or wrong, think a left handed power bat in RF is the priority.

 

Frankly, I won't be heart-broken if we don't get Peavy. We have Harden for a full season (whatever that means in terms of injuries) and we will re-sign Dempster who is a serviceable number three or four (though I agree we will most likely over pay him.) That's a better rotation than we had April through June of last year, and if fully healthy, has the potential to dominate for a full season like we did for about two weeks in late July early August includng the 4-game sweep of Brewers.

 

As for Kerry: It's sad to see him go from a fan standpoint, but he's not worth the money he'll command or the years. Plus I think a bullpen, if it proves to be lacking, is pretty easy to solidify during the season with painless trades. Gregg and Marmol are a good foundation.

 

Let's go after Furcal. Let's get that LH power bat. Let's shore up the bullpen. Peavy would be gravy, but he's not necessary and certainly isn't our number one target.

 

If Peavy doesn't go to the Cubs that will be 3 of the last 4 offseasons where we've missed out on our number one target. This would piss me off less than the other 2 though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Here's a wild thought...

 

Trade for Peavy and resign Dempster to fill the rotation, move Harden to closer in a Wood-like effort to keep him healthy all year.

 

I'm going to doubt Harden would accept that move.

[Guest]

Here's a wild thought...

 

Trade for Peavy and resign Dempster to fill the rotation, move Harden to closer in a Wood-like effort to keep him healthy all year.

 

I'm going to doubt Harden would accept that move.

I'm going to doubt Harden would have any choice other than sitting out.

 

Besides, it's not really that original of an idea. I heard that idea bandied about a couple years ago on the A's.

[Soul]

Here's a wild thought...

 

Trade for Peavy and resign Dempster to fill the rotation, move Harden to closer in a Wood-like effort to keep him healthy all year.

 

I'm going to doubt Harden would accept that move.

I'm going to doubt Harden would have any choice other than sitting out.

 

Besides, it's not really that original of an idea. I heard that idea bandied about a couple years ago on the A's.

 

I'd rather keep him in the rotation as the #5 starter to give him extra days rest, wouldn't you?

[jersey cubs fan]

Here's a wild thought...

 

Trade for Peavy and resign Dempster to fill the rotation, move Harden to closer in a Wood-like effort to keep him healthy all year.

 

I'm going to doubt Harden would accept that move.

I'm going to doubt Harden would have any choice other than sitting out.

 

Yeah, we know it didn't work for Jason Marquis. Baseball players only do what they are told to do. Please, it's major league baseball. If a starting pitcher approaching free agency does not want to pitch in the bullpen, you can be damn sure he will fight any potential move to the bullpen and 99% of the time he's going to win that battle (even if it means losing the war).

[Guest]

Here's a wild thought...

 

Trade for Peavy and resign Dempster to fill the rotation, move Harden to closer in a Wood-like effort to keep him healthy all year.

 

I'm going to doubt Harden would accept that move.

I'm going to doubt Harden would have any choice other than sitting out.

 

Besides, it's not really that original of an idea. I heard that idea bandied about a couple years ago on the A's.

 

I'd rather keep him in the rotation as the #5 starter to give him extra days rest, wouldn't you?

I was initially posting this in a response to the "we don't have any internal options" discussion. Then I went back and edited the post because I remembered they were talking about setup instead of closer.

[Guest]

Here's a wild thought...

 

Trade for Peavy and resign Dempster to fill the rotation, move Harden to closer in a Wood-like effort to keep him healthy all year.

 

I'm going to doubt Harden would accept that move.

I'm going to doubt Harden would have any choice other than sitting out.

 

Yeah, we know it didn't work for Jason Marquis. Baseball players only do what they are told to do. Please, it's major league baseball. If a starting pitcher approaching free agency does not want to pitch in the bullpen, you can be damn sure he will fight any potential move to the bullpen and 99% of the time he's going to win that battle (even if it means losing the war).

Out of curiosity, why did you cut the second sentence in my post when you replied? You can say it was beside the point, but the fact that this has been talked about for years means that Harden might be more amenable to the concept as a long-term necessity.

 

Players bitch about being benched or diminished roles all the time. What choice do they have in the matter other?

[jersey cubs fan]

Out of curiosity, why did you cut the second sentence in my post when you replied? You can say it was beside the point, but the fact that this has been talked about for years means that Harden might be more amenable to the concept as a long-term necessity.

 

Players bitch about being benched or diminished roles all the time. What choice do they have in the matter other?

 

I like to shorten quotes and the second sentence wasn't meaningful to the discussion. Benching a player is one thing. Getting him to change jobs is another. If the Cubs are contemplating benching Harden, they are idiots. I don't think it's a bad idea to try Harden in the pen, however, I don't think it's at all likely that he would want to do that. And despite "not having a choice" players refuse such moves all the time. We aren't talking about moving a guy who can't crack the rotation, we're talking about the most effective starter on the team.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Peavy doesn't go to the Cubs that will be 3 of the last 4 offseasons where we've missed out on our number one target. This would piss me off less than the other 2 though.

 

Huh? How is Peavy our number 1 target?

 

Our number 1 target from day 1 has been a left handed hitting 3/4/5 hitter.

 

Who is an athlete and has at least 1 Q and 1 V in his name.

[bukie]

If Peavy doesn't go to the Cubs that will be 3 of the last 4 offseasons where we've missed out on our number one target. This would piss me off less than the other 2 though.

 

Huh? How is Peavy our number 1 target?

 

Our number 1 target from day 1 has been a left handed hitting 3/4/5 hitter.

 

Who is an athlete and has at least 1 Q and 1 V in his name.

I really hope the Cubs can sign Marq Teiveira, too.

[SouthSideRyan]

Here's a wild thought...

 

Trade for Peavy and resign Dempster to fill the rotation, move Harden to closer in a Wood-like effort to keep him healthy all year.

 

I'm going to doubt Harden would accept that move.

I'm going to doubt Harden would have any choice other than sitting out.

 

Besides, it's not really that original of an idea. I heard that idea bandied about a couple years ago on the A's.

 

Yeah, Gammons wouldn't shut up about it for years. I'd rather get 20 starts out of Harden(and healthy for the playoffs) than a full year of closing.