Jake Peavy: Available.

[Jehrico]

Dunn is worse

If we erected a fence post in the outfield, then nailed a glove to it, it would get to more balls than Adam Dunn. It would throw about as well as Juan Pierre too.

[erik316wttn]

I think the Cubs have an edge in the Peavy sweepstakes if they also agree to take Greene's contract. A Peavy/Greene package is a way to start the offseason for Hendry.

 

not only is it a way, it is an absolutely bloody fabulous way to start the offseason

 

then sign ibanez...done...

 

does anyone here really think we could land peavy and/or greene and still acquire hermida?

 

I'd rather sign Tex and trade Lee for prospects.

[RammyFanny]

I'd rather just let Dempster and Wood go, trade for Peavy, and reload on prospects who are probably better than the ones we gave up to get Peavy anyway.

 

This is assuming SD would actually take a deal involving some of our players though, which obviously might never happen.

[Backtobanks]

The Padres gave us Ceda for less than a half year of Todd Walker.

 

I still believe it would take something along the lines of Pie, Theriot, Marshall and Vitters. Even if the deal required Ceda be included, I don't know what Hendry would be waiting for other than hoping to land him for less.

 

The time to win is NOW.

 

I agree. If we did such a deal, with Ceda involved, we could probably land Greene in the prcoess and let him fight it out with Ronny for SS.

 

On a side note, what ever became of Todd Walker. He was always a serviceable utility man and lefty bat, but after a few stints with the Pads and A's, he fell completely off the map.

 

Walker changed his name to Mike Fontenot.

[mdwilla]

FIVE OF THE MOST INTRIGUING FREE AGENTS:

 

1. Rafael Furcal. If his shoulder checks out, the fact remains he put the Dodgers in position to make the playoffs by running his OPS over 1.000 until he got hurt on May 5.

2. Derek Lowe. He is 36, but in great shape, physically and mentally. He's averaged 210 innings the past six years, is a world-class athlete and can get the Yankees and Red Sox into a bidding war. He is a better pitcher than when he left Boston after winning the series clinchers of the ALDS, ALCS and World Series in 2004.

3. Raul Ibanez. His 338 RBIs the past three years are more than Ramirez (311), Teixeira (336) or Vladimir Guerrero; he is a leader, a tremendous person and a legitimate middle-of-the-order bat. It's nice that such a good person will get paid.

4. Adam Dunn. He is spending the winter at Athletes Performance Institute trying to get into the best shape of his career. The Diamondbacks liked him; they're just not willing to spend the money, but they felt his on-base percentage and power and enjoyment of the pennant race were really good. Dunn wants to play for a contender, so Washington may be out.

5. Milton Bradley. He'll be 31 in April, comes off leading the AL in OPS, and while he again had injuries that limited him to 414 at-bats, he is a big-time offensive force.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3681876&name=gammons_peter

 

If Furcal has any intention of leaving LA I think Hendry will target him once again this offseason . That Ibanez stat is an eye opener.

[Clem Fandango]

I'd rather just let Dempster and Wood go...

 

Both of which are Type A free agents as well. Which leads me to this question...

 

Let's say we let Dempster and Wood go, and also someone is dumb enough to sign Howry. How many draft picks would we get if all three signed with someone else?

[Mephistopheles]

rbis are never an eye opener.

[Ball And Glove]

I'd rather just let Dempster and Wood go...

 

Both of which are Type A free agents as well. Which leads me to this question...

 

Let's say we let Dempster and Wood go, and also someone is dumb enough to sign Howry. How many draft picks would we get if all three signed with someone else?

 

You'd get three sandwich round picks for sure, and up to three first round picks, assuming they all signed with teams who ranked in the top half of MLB (and assuming that you offer arby to all three players -- isn't that unlikely with Howry?). If all three signed with teams in the bottom half, you'd get up to three second round picks.

 

That's assuming that all three players sign with teams that didn't sign another Type A ranked higher than them. If the Yankees sign Ryan Dempster but then also signed CC Sabathia, the Brewers would get the Yankees' first round pick and the Cubs would get their second round pick. Both teams would also get sandwich picks, but the Brewers' would be higher than the Cubs' because Sabathia's rated higher than Dempster.

[Clem Fandango]

I'd rather just let Dempster and Wood go...

 

Both of which are Type A free agents as well. Which leads me to this question...

 

Let's say we let Dempster and Wood go, and also someone is dumb enough to sign Howry. How many draft picks would we get if all three signed with someone else?

 

You'd get three sandwich round picks for sure, and up to three first round picks, assuming they all signed with teams who ranked in the top half of MLB (and assuming that you offer arby to all three players -- isn't that unlikely with Howry?). If all three signed with teams in the bottom half, you'd get up to three second round picks.

 

That's assuming that all three players sign with teams that didn't sign another Type A ranked higher than them. If the Yankees sign Ryan Dempster but then also signed CC Sabathia, the Brewers would get the Yankees' first round pick and the Cubs would get their second round pick. Both teams would also get sandwich picks, but the Brewers' would be higher than the Cubs' because Sabathia's rated higher than Dempster.

 

Gotcha. Thanks for the insight, was always curious about that

[17 Seconds]

Pie/Hill/Vitters for Peavy. Too much? Probably, but I have little confidence that any of those guys will ever make us regret it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Pie/Hill/Vitters for Peavy. Too much? Probably, but I have little confidence that any of those guys will ever make us regret it.

 

I'd happily make that deal for Peavy.

[RedFlash]

Pie/Hill/Vitters for Peavy. Too much? Probably, but I have little confidence that any of those guys will ever make us regret it.

 

I'd happily make that deal for Peavy.

 

Me too. My guess is, if Hendry replace Hill with Marshall and add an arm like Ceda, Towers could be interested if the Cubs take back Greene. I would love for something to happen this week (considering Towers has said he wants to trade Peavy quickly), but something tells me this will drag into December.

[erik316wttn]

Pie/Hill/Vitters for Peavy. Too much? Probably, but I have little confidence that any of those guys will ever make us regret it.

 

Where do I sign?

[shnsajax]

Pie/Hill/Vitters for Peavy. Too much? Probably, but I have little confidence that any of those guys will ever make us regret it.

 

Where do I sign?

 

At the bottom of the invisible message board trade agreement (the IMBTA).

[Jehrico]

rbis are never an eye opener.

They aren't normally because it's so dependent on the rest of the team. A guy can rack up a ton of RBIs due to having a good team around him, and that doesn't mean he's that good of a hitter.

 

That said, Ibanez has done this in Seattle the last three years. I'm sure Ichiro is a good part of his RBIs, but the rest of that team is pretty bad. It certainly doesn't mean he's better than some of those other hitters, but it is definitely noteworthy when you look at the rest of the team that's around him.

[gflore34]

I don't know if the Cubs have the resources to do so but, I'd make Jake Peavy plan A, let Dempster walk. Signing him has all the earmarks of bad contract, let some other team make that mistake and take the draft pick. Also, if what Lou said about more youth and athleticism is one of Hendry' offseason guidelines, wouldn't a trade for Hermida make the most sense?

[JWCUB]

Time to begin our Wednesday thread for Jake Peavy rumors. According to Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune, the Padres consider the Braves, Cubs, and Dodgers as potential matches for a Peavy trade. GM Kevin Towers is "down the road" with two of those clubs (probably the Braves and Cubs), but nothing is imminent. Things could slow down as free agency opens up, giving potential trade partners more options for their rotations.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

Come on Hendry!!

[cubsfan26]

rbis are never an eye opener.

They aren't normally because it's so dependent on the rest of the team. A guy can rack up a ton of RBIs due to having a good team around him, and that doesn't mean he's that good of a hitter.

 

That said, Ibanez has done this in Seattle the last three years. I'm sure Ichiro is a good part of his RBIs, but the rest of that team is pretty bad. It certainly doesn't mean he's better than some of those other hitters, but it is definitely noteworthy when you look at the rest of the team that's around him.

 

 

From looking at Ibanez numbers with men on base the last few years. I think it has more to do with Ibanez as a hitter, then the players around him for his high RBI totals. I agree normally RBI's total isn't something I would pay attention to either. But with Ibanez having a 907,936,921 OPS with runners on base the last three seasons, I think might be something to keep a eye on. Especially if he was added to the Cubs, with how well they got on base last season.

[RammyFanny]

Time to begin our Wednesday thread for Jake Peavy rumors. According to Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune, the Padres consider the Braves, Cubs, and Dodgers as potential matches for a Peavy trade. GM Kevin Towers is "down the road" with two of those clubs (probably the Braves and Cubs), but nothing is imminent. Things could slow down as free agency opens up, giving potential trade partners more options for their rotations.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

Come on Hendry!!

– Three days after playing golf with Cubs GM Jim Hendry, Towers bowled with Hendry yesterday as part of a GM function.

Jim sure has athletic prowess.

[JeffH]

Time to begin our Wednesday thread for Jake Peavy rumors. According to Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune, the Padres consider the Braves, Cubs, and Dodgers as potential matches for a Peavy trade. GM Kevin Towers is "down the road" with two of those clubs (probably the Braves and Cubs), but nothing is imminent. Things could slow down as free agency opens up, giving potential trade partners more options for their rotations.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

Come on Hendry!!

– Three days after playing golf with Cubs GM Jim Hendry, Towers bowled with Hendry yesterday as part of a GM function.

Jim sure has athletic prowess.

 

Evidence that golf and bowling are not "sports"? Jim Hendry is good at them.

[JWCUB]

Cubs Rumors: Peavy, Sabathia, Hill, Roberts

By Tim Dierkes [November 5 at 9:36am CST]

Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times has fresh Cubs rumors this morning.

 

De Luca's sources describe the Cubs' interest in Jake Peavy as "limited." Instead, the Cubs have "deep interest" in C.C. Sabathia. De Luca also wonders if the Cubs will entertain A.J. Burnett. The Cubs' payroll room will depend on free agents Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood, plus their ability to move Jason Marquis.

Rich Hill's lost 2008 season killed his trade value. He'll be out of options next spring.

De Luca's sources say the Cubs continue to pursue Brian Roberts and Raul Ibanez. Ibanez would play right field for the Cubs, even though he allowed 18 more bases than the average left fielder this year.

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

 

Deep interest in C.C.? First I have seen this. They would have to trade Marquis and have a HUGE increase in payroll. Limited interst in Peavy. More Roberts. Sounds like a fun offseason.

[Clem Fandango]

Cubs Rumors: Peavy, Sabathia, Hill, Roberts

By Tim Dierkes [November 5 at 9:36am CST]

Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times has fresh Cubs rumors this morning.

 

De Luca's sources describe the Cubs' interest in Jake Peavy as "limited." Instead, the Cubs have "deep interest" in C.C. Sabathia. De Luca also wonders if the Cubs will entertain A.J. Burnett. The Cubs' payroll room will depend on free agents Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood, plus their ability to move Jason Marquis.

Rich Hill's lost 2008 season killed his trade value. He'll be out of options next spring.

De Luca's sources say the Cubs continue to pursue Brian Roberts and Raul Ibanez. Ibanez would play right field for the Cubs, even though he allowed 18 more bases than the average left fielder this year.

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

 

Deep interest in C.C.? First I have seen this. They would have to trade Marquis and have a HUGE increase in payroll. Limited interst in Peavy. More Roberts. Sounds like a fun offseason.

 

I'd rather have Peavy. We don't need another backloaded contract killing this club in the future, which a deal to Sabathia likely would be. Peavy would be cheaper, slightly younger, and arguably just as good as Sabathia would be. Plus I thought Piniella said we don't have the luxury of going balls to the wall crazy with free agents because of the ownership change in limbo and we have to fix ourselves through trades?

[17 Seconds]

Cubs Rumors: Peavy, Sabathia, Hill, Roberts

By Tim Dierkes [November 5 at 9:36am CST]

Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times has fresh Cubs rumors this morning.

 

De Luca's sources describe the Cubs' interest in Jake Peavy as "limited." Instead, the Cubs have "deep interest" in C.C. Sabathia. De Luca also wonders if the Cubs will entertain A.J. Burnett. The Cubs' payroll room will depend on free agents Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood, plus their ability to move Jason Marquis.

Rich Hill's lost 2008 season killed his trade value. He'll be out of options next spring.

De Luca's sources say the Cubs continue to pursue Brian Roberts and Raul Ibanez. Ibanez would play right field for the Cubs, even though he allowed 18 more bases than the average left fielder this year.

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

 

Deep interest in C.C.? First I have seen this. They would have to trade Marquis and have a HUGE increase in payroll. Limited interst in Peavy. More Roberts. Sounds like a fun offseason.

 

If they were able to dump Marquis' salary and let Dempster walk, it wouldn't take a huge increase in payroll to get C.C., especially with the way Hendry backloads contracts. The main obstacle would be getting clearance to pay him 100-150 mil.

[17 Seconds]

Cubs Rumors: Peavy, Sabathia, Hill, Roberts

By Tim Dierkes [November 5 at 9:36am CST]

Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times has fresh Cubs rumors this morning.

 

De Luca's sources describe the Cubs' interest in Jake Peavy as "limited." Instead, the Cubs have "deep interest" in C.C. Sabathia. De Luca also wonders if the Cubs will entertain A.J. Burnett. The Cubs' payroll room will depend on free agents Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood, plus their ability to move Jason Marquis.

Rich Hill's lost 2008 season killed his trade value. He'll be out of options next spring.

De Luca's sources say the Cubs continue to pursue Brian Roberts and Raul Ibanez. Ibanez would play right field for the Cubs, even though he allowed 18 more bases than the average left fielder this year.

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

 

Deep interest in C.C.? First I have seen this. They would have to trade Marquis and have a HUGE increase in payroll. Limited interst in Peavy. More Roberts. Sounds like a fun offseason.

 

I'd rather have Peavy. We don't need another backloaded contract killing this club in the future, which a deal to Sabathia likely would be. Peavy would be cheaper, slightly younger, and arguably just as good as Sabathia would be. Plus I thought Piniella said we don't have the luxury of going balls to the wall crazy with free agents because of the ownership change in limbo and we have to fix ourselves through trades?

 

I don't think Peavy is close to as good as Sabathia right now. I'd be worried about how Peavy would do without playing half his games in Petco. Plus he was very Kazmiresque this season with his high pitch counts causing him to leave the game early all the time. Meanwhile Sabathia is an innings eating mahcine.

 

I agree with you that I'd probably rather have Peavy at the price each owuld cost, but I don't think there's any way you could say Peavy is as good as Sabathia right now.

[Clem Fandango]

Cubs Rumors: Peavy, Sabathia, Hill, Roberts

By Tim Dierkes [November 5 at 9:36am CST]

Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times has fresh Cubs rumors this morning.

 

De Luca's sources describe the Cubs' interest in Jake Peavy as "limited." Instead, the Cubs have "deep interest" in C.C. Sabathia. De Luca also wonders if the Cubs will entertain A.J. Burnett. The Cubs' payroll room will depend on free agents Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood, plus their ability to move Jason Marquis.

Rich Hill's lost 2008 season killed his trade value. He'll be out of options next spring.

De Luca's sources say the Cubs continue to pursue Brian Roberts and Raul Ibanez. Ibanez would play right field for the Cubs, even though he allowed 18 more bases than the average left fielder this year.

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

 

Deep interest in C.C.? First I have seen this. They would have to trade Marquis and have a HUGE increase in payroll. Limited interst in Peavy. More Roberts. Sounds like a fun offseason.

 

I'd rather have Peavy. We don't need another backloaded contract killing this club in the future, which a deal to Sabathia likely would be. Peavy would be cheaper, slightly younger, and arguably just as good as Sabathia would be. Plus I thought Piniella said we don't have the luxury of going balls to the wall crazy with free agents because of the ownership change in limbo and we have to fix ourselves through trades?

 

I don't think Peavy is close to as good as Sabathia right now. I'd be worried about how Peavy would do without playing half his games in Petco. Plus he was very Kazmiresque this season with his high pitch counts causing him to leave the game early all the time. Meanwhile Sabathia is an innings eating mahcine.

 

I agree with you that I'd probably rather have Peavy at the price each owuld cost, but I don't think there's any way you could say Peavy is as good as Sabathia right now.

 

Who is to say Sabathia will still be as good? Sabathia pitches 9 innings, yeah. But at what cost? High pitch counts each time out? Future arm issues? Who knows. Maybe he is a freak of nature. But the fact remains that Peavy is still an ace on almost any staff, and he will cost $8 mil (or $9, don't remember) this year, while Sabathia will cost someone $20 million. I'll still take Peavy. That gap between ability and payroll savings is too much to ignore, IMO