Edmonds Quote

[jersey cubs fan]

Soriano had been there before. Lee had been there before. Aramis had been there before. Others, too.

 

 

 

 

I know Banedon acknowledged this in the first post. I'm just pointing out that if they were, in fact, pressing last year, then the very people who some people seem to expect to be calmed down somehow by a guy that's been there before had already been there before themselves and weren't calmed by their own experience.

 

Sori 225/279 slug 319

Lee 226/289 slug 298

Ramirez 196/308 slug 464

Edmonds 277/365 slug 523

 

One has been there and did well while the others have struggled in post season play. Again, does this mean Edmonds will lead them to victory because of these numbers...maybe, maybe not. But, He may be a calming influence on these players and add a tip or two that they may be able to implement have have a little more success.

 

This sounds like one of those self-fulfilling prophecies. If they do well, Edmonds gets credit, if they don't, it's their own fault.

 

I would say it's highly highly doubtful Edmonds calming influence or secret tips that no other Cubs employee would be able to provide are going to make a lick of difference.

[SouthSideRyan]

It seems disingenous to say Ramirez wasn't any good in the postseason and that's why he did poorly last year in the playoffs when his numbers postseason #s heading into the AZ series were

 

~365 OBP, ~590 SLG.

[David]

Soriano had been there before. Lee had been there before. Aramis had been there before. Others, too.

 

 

 

 

I know Banedon acknowledged this in the first post. I'm just pointing out that if they were, in fact, pressing last year, then the very people who some people seem to expect to be calmed down somehow by a guy that's been there before had already been there before themselves and weren't calmed by their own experience.

 

Sori 225/279 slug 319

Lee 226/289 slug 298

Ramirez 196/308 slug 464

Edmonds 277/365 slug 523

 

One has been there and did well while the others have struggled in post season play. Again, does this mean Edmonds will lead them to victory because of these numbers...maybe, maybe not. But, He may be a calming influence on these players and add a tip or two that they may be able to implement have have a little more success.

 

Not that any of this matters, but what were those numbers before last year's playoffs?

[David]

It seems disingenous to say Ramirez wasn't any good in the postseason and that's why he did poorly last year in the playoffs when his numbers postseason #s heading into the AZ series were

 

~365 OBP, ~590 SLG.

 

Exactly.

[CuseCubFan69]

Soriano had been there before. Lee had been there before. Aramis had been there before. Others, too.

 

 

 

 

I know Banedon acknowledged this in the first post. I'm just pointing out that if they were, in fact, pressing last year, then the very people who some people seem to expect to be calmed down somehow by a guy that's been there before had already been there before themselves and weren't calmed by their own experience.

 

Sori 225/279 slug 319

Lee 226/289 slug 298

Ramirez 196/308 slug 464

Edmonds 277/365 slug 523

 

One has been there and did well while the others have struggled in post season play. Again, does this mean Edmonds will lead them to victory because of these numbers...maybe, maybe not. But, He may be a calming influence on these players and add a tip or two that they may be able to implement have have a little more success.

 

This sounds like one of those self-fulfilling prophecies. If they do well, Edmonds gets credit, if they don't, it's their own fault.

 

I would say it's highly highly doubtful Edmonds calming influence or secret tips that no other Cubs employee would be able to provide are going to make a lick of difference.

 

And since you are in the Cubs dugout I'm sure you pretty much know everything that is said as well. It's just amazes me that you don't think there is a mental aspect to the game.

[CuseCubFan69]

Soriano had been there before. Lee had been there before. Aramis had been there before. Others, too.

 

 

 

 

I know Banedon acknowledged this in the first post. I'm just pointing out that if they were, in fact, pressing last year, then the very people who some people seem to expect to be calmed down somehow by a guy that's been there before had already been there before themselves and weren't calmed by their own experience.

 

Sori 225/279 slug 319

Lee 226/289 slug 298

Ramirez 196/308 slug 464

Edmonds 277/365 slug 523

 

One has been there and did well while the others have struggled in post season play. Again, does this mean Edmonds will lead them to victory because of these numbers...maybe, maybe not. But, He may be a calming influence on these players and add a tip or two that they may be able to implement have have a little more success.

 

Not that any of this matters, but what were those numbers before last year's playoffs?

 

Sorry, instead of picking a choosing what stats to show I showed his career ones.

[David]

Picking and choosing?

 

Going into the playoffs last year, the stats from the 2007 playoffs didn't exist. To say that Ramirez hadn't had playoff success going into that series is patently false.

[CuseCubFan69]

Picking and choosing?

 

Going into the playoffs last year, the stats from the 2007 playoffs didn't exist. To say that Ramirez hadn't had playoff success going into that series is patently false.

 

Where did I say that? Speaking of patently false.

[David]

Picking and choosing?

 

Going into the playoffs last year, the stats from the 2007 playoffs didn't exist. To say that Ramirez hadn't had playoff success going into that series is patently false.

 

Where did I say that? Speaking of patently false.

 

 

The discussion is about how their playoff experience didn't calm them in last year's playoffs. You're saying that Ramirez has struggled in the postseason, but that is irrelevant because he hadn't struggled going in.

 

I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing about this anyway. The sample sizes on all of these playoff numbers are way too small to carry any weight.

[CuseCubFan69]

Picking and choosing?

 

Going into the playoffs last year, the stats from the 2007 playoffs didn't exist. To say that Ramirez hadn't had playoff success going into that series is patently false.

 

Where did I say that? Speaking of patently false.

 

 

The discussion is about how their playoff experience didn't calm them in last year's playoffs. Going into last year's playoffs, they hadn't struggled. You're saying that Ramirez has struggled in the postseason is irrelevant because he hadn't struggled going in.

 

I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing about this anyway. The sample sizes on all of these playoff numbers are way too small to carry any weight.

 

Especially since they're in my favor.

 

My point was that Edmonds had success both at the plate and winning the WS and it MAY have a possible good influence on the Cubs as a team in the playoffs. I've heard players mention that player X helped me with this or Player Y helped them with this, why can't it be possible that Edmonds might be able to recognize something and help another player out? Also, that said player might be more apt to listen to him since he has won before? IMO, the mental part of the game is even more important in the playoffs, especially with all the extra curricular things that go on.

[David]

Picking and choosing?

 

Going into the playoffs last year, the stats from the 2007 playoffs didn't exist. To say that Ramirez hadn't had playoff success going into that series is patently false.

 

Where did I say that? Speaking of patently false.

 

 

The discussion is about how their playoff experience didn't calm them in last year's playoffs. Going into last year's playoffs, they hadn't struggled. You're saying that Ramirez has struggled in the postseason is irrelevant because he hadn't struggled going in.

 

I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing about this anyway. The sample sizes on all of these playoff numbers are way too small to carry any weight.

 

Especially since they're in my favor.

 

My point was that Edmonds had success both at the plate and winning the WS and it MAY have a possible good influence on the Cubs as a team in the playoffs. I've heard players mention that player X helped me with this or Player Y helped them with this, why can't it be possible that Edmonds might be able to recognize something and help another player out? Also, that said player might be more apt to listen to him since he has won before? IMO, the mental part of the game is even more important in the playoffs, especially with all the extra curricular things that go on.

 

OK, I'm done.

[badger1679666666]

what are you saying then?

 

I'm saying in a general sense that having someone with experience on the team might help in the overall anxiety level of the team.

 

Just like if you're in a room full of anxious people in a crisis, the results probably won't be as good as if you were in a room full of calm, cool-headed people. That's all.

 

I'm not saying it's going to impact specific at-bats. And I never did. There's something to be said for how environment affects a person's ability to work, and that exists, in sports, business, and life. If a player has a positive calming effect on said environment, it certainly can't hurt and probably will help the overall mood and approach of his surroundings.

[SouthSideRyan]

Picking and choosing?

 

Going into the playoffs last year, the stats from the 2007 playoffs didn't exist. To say that Ramirez hadn't had playoff success going into that series is patently false.

 

Where did I say that? Speaking of patently false.

 

 

The discussion is about how their playoff experience didn't calm them in last year's playoffs. Going into last year's playoffs, they hadn't struggled. You're saying that Ramirez has struggled in the postseason is irrelevant because he hadn't struggled going in.

 

I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing about this anyway. The sample sizes on all of these playoff numbers are way too small to carry any weight.

 

Especially since they're in my favor.

 

My point was that Edmonds had success both at the plate and winning the WS and it MAY have a possible good influence on the Cubs as a team in the playoffs. I've heard players mention that player X helped me with this or Player Y helped them with this, why can't it be possible that Edmonds might be able to recognize something and help another player out? Also, that said player might be more apt to listen to him since he has won before? IMO, the mental part of the game is even more important in the playoffs, especially with all the extra curricular things that go on.

 

The point is why wasn't Ramirez a calming influence in the clubhouse last year with his postseason success? Why wasn't Lee a calming influence due to his world series ring?

[David]

Ramirez went into the future, realized he did bad in the upcoming playoffs, and panicked and sent the rest of the clubhouse into a panic.

[UK1679666180]

At this point, I'm hoping Edmonds can be that LH'ed middle of the order hitter. As far as bringing playoff experience, his background doesn't hurt. I don't know what type of player he is as far as giving advice on his own, Lee doesn't appear to be the vocal leader, that falls moreso Zambrano and Soriano.

 

If you want an example of a player giving another player credit via experience and knowledge, Dempster has been extremely appreciative of what Maddux taught him.

[Andy]

That quote doesn't mean a whole lot except to prove that Jimmy has done nothing but say and do all the right things since becoming a Cub.

[jersey cubs fan]

what are you saying then?

 

I'm saying in a general sense that having someone with experience on the team might help in the overall anxiety level of the team.

 

Just like if you're in a room full of anxious people in a crisis, the results probably won't be as good as if you were in a room full of calm, cool-headed people. That's all.

 

A room full of people in a crisis isn't all that similar to a team full of guys playing playoff games.

[abuck1220]

what are you saying then?

 

I'm saying in a general sense that having someone with experience on the team might help in the overall anxiety level of the team.

 

Just like if you're in a room full of anxious people in a crisis, the results probably won't be as good as if you were in a room full of calm, cool-headed people. That's all.

 

I'm not saying it's going to impact specific at-bats. And I never did. There's something to be said for how environment affects a person's ability to work, and that exists, in sports, business, and life. If a player has a positive calming effect on said environment, it certainly can't hurt and probably will help the overall mood and approach of his surroundings.

 

what goony said for your crisis analogy.

 

and if it's not going to impact specific at-bats, then what does it impact?

[fromthestretch]

At this point, I'm hoping Edmonds can be that LH'ed middle of the order hitter. As far as bringing playoff experience, his background doesn't hurt. I don't know what type of player he is as far as giving advice on his own, Lee doesn't appear to be the vocal leader, that falls moreso Zambrano and Soriano.

 

If you want an example of a player giving another player credit via experience and knowledge, Dempster has been extremely appreciative of what Maddux taught him.

 

One player learning from another certainly isn't unheard of. However, I would imagine that happens moreso during the course of a long season rather than a short postseason series.

[CuseCubFan69]

At this point, I'm hoping Edmonds can be that LH'ed middle of the order hitter. As far as bringing playoff experience, his background doesn't hurt. I don't know what type of player he is as far as giving advice on his own, Lee doesn't appear to be the vocal leader, that falls moreso Zambrano and Soriano.

 

If you want an example of a player giving another player credit via experience and knowledge, Dempster has been extremely appreciative of what Maddux taught him.

 

One player learning from another certainly isn't unheard of. However, I would imagine that happens moreso during the course of a long season rather than a short postseason series.

 

Probably but who here really knows?

[CuseCubFan69]

Ramirez went into the future, realized he did bad in the upcoming playoffs, and panicked and sent the rest of the clubhouse into a panic.

 

Is it possible that once Ramirez started to struggle he pressed even harder and thus struggled even more? Why is it so hard for the analytical to accept this possibility? The Cub players have a lot of pressure on them and I've read comments where they said they didn't want to disappoint the city or really want to break the jinx and possibly struggle a little more than usual because of it? Or, are you just going to come up with another lame joke?

[treebird]

Ramirez went into the future, realized he did bad in the upcoming playoffs, and panicked and sent the rest of the clubhouse into a panic.

 

Is it possible that once Ramirez started to struggle he pressed even harder and thus struggled even more? Why is it so hard for the analytical to accept this possibility? The Cub players have a lot of pressure on them and I've read comments where they said they didn't want to disappoint the city or really want to break the jinx and possibly struggle a little more than usual because of it? Or, are you just going to come up with another lame joke?

 

is it possible that he just had 11 bad at bats or whatever?

 

(yes. yes it is.)

[imb]

Ramirez went into the future, realized he did bad in the upcoming playoffs, and panicked and sent the rest of the clubhouse into a panic.

 

Is it possible that once Ramirez started to struggle he pressed even harder and thus struggled even more? Why is it so hard for the analytical to accept this possibility? The Cub players have a lot of pressure on them and I've read comments where they said they didn't want to disappoint the city or really want to break the jinx and possibly struggle a little more than usual because of it? Or, are you just going to come up with another lame joke?

 

is it possible that he just had 11 bad at bats or whatever?

 

(yes. yes it is.)

 

lets get serious, has a good hitter ever struggled for THREE ENTIRE GAMES?

 

if only there was a comprehensive baseball website on the internet where i could research this kind of thing. anyone want to invent a baseball reference?

[MasterBlaster]

eh, i don't think i buy into that theory at all. i'm just glad he's been so productive.

 

 

As am I. I don't think it's an absolute by any means but depending on the guy and team I think it does have an impact from time to time.

 

I buy into it. I agree with CCF69.

 

I can give various examples from all aspects of life, but being surrounded by people who are calm and cool definitely influences your own ability to manage emotions. This goes for everything in life from sports, to crisis situations, to family conflicts. It's just human nature.

 

Of course that stuff matters and I agree as well. It's really annoying this prevailing doctrine that players are simply robots that will do X no matter what the situation is, and that emotions have zero effect on the game played.

[bukie]

At some point, Occam is going to need a new razor.