How good would the Cubs be with Hamilton?

[shnsajax]

if any team deserves to feel screwed it's Tampa not us. Imagine them with Hamilton.

[fromthestretch]

Didn't we pick him up as a favor to the Reds organization?

 

And then the follow up is why were we doing a favor to the Reds organization?

 

One little phrase to remember, "You scratch my back, and I will scratch your's." It's make dealing with a divisional rival go smoother, if you work out deals like this. Let's be thankful, that Josh Hamilton is not with the Red anymore, and smile.

 

How did they scratch our backs? In the end, The Rangers get one of the best hitters in the game, The Reds get one of the best pitchers in the game, and we get what now? Granted, The Reds and Rangers still suck, but its the principle of the matter.

 

First of all, the Cubs got cash out of the deal. Secondly, you do realize that teams do this all the time, right? There was no reason to deny this favor to the Reds, unless the Cubs were planning on using that Rule 5 pick themselves, which they obviously weren't. So if you can get anything for that pick, it just makes sense to do so. It's good business.

[Derwood]

imagine this team with A-Rod at SS and also Ted Williams and Babe Ruth and Cy Young. AMIRITE?

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I heard the Cubs used the money they got for Hamilton to sign Soriano and Fukudome, and to help pay for Rich Harden's contract, making it the best deal in baseball history.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This topic has been beaten to death so many times, it's comical.

 

The Cubs never had Hamilton and never had any intention of having him. They sold their rule 5 pick to the Reds. All accounts are they had no idea who the Reds wanted. The Reds gave them the name moments before they made the pick. Hamilton is an amazing talent, but at the time last year he had only a few at bats at single A in which he had a 687 OPS. The Reds were in a position to take the gamble, the Cubs were not.

[Little Slide Rooter]

This topic has been beaten to death so many times, it's comical.

 

The Cubs never had Hamilton and never had any intention of having him. They sold their rule 5 pick to the Reds. All accounts are they had no idea who the Reds wanted. The Reds gave them the name moments before they made the pick. Hamilton is an amazing talent, but at the time last year he had only a few at bats at single A in which he had a 687 OPS. The Reds were in a position to take the gamble, the Cubs were not.

 

It does seem to come up on a monthly basis. While Ive only been around here for about a year, I can imagine that in '04-'05 similar converstations about Dontrelle Willis came up frequently.

[Derwood]

This topic has been beaten to death so many times, it's comical.

 

The Cubs never had Hamilton and never had any intention of having him. They sold their rule 5 pick to the Reds. All accounts are they had no idea who the Reds wanted. The Reds gave them the name moments before they made the pick. Hamilton is an amazing talent, but at the time last year he had only a few at bats at single A in which he had a 687 OPS. The Reds were in a position to take the gamble, the Cubs were not.

 

It does seem to come up on a monthly basis. While Ive only been around here for about a year, I can imagine that in '04-'05 similar converstations about Dontrelle Willis came up frequently.

 

you imagine correctly

[Wheelimus]

Goodwill with the Reds organization that might help us in a future trade?

 

I mean, it's pretty well known that the Cubs would not have used the pick for anything. So unless we think that Hendry should have told the Reds to screw off and drafted Hamilton for ourselves after they asked there isn't a lot of room for criticism.

[javy knows my name]

I can't believe I'm adding more to this thread, but there's a camp that maintains that Hamilton had a support group in Cincy that put him on the right track. Had he stayed in Tampa Bay, or drafted by the Cubs who had no intention of picking him because he was too much of a gamble and not good value at the time , he may have never cleaned himself up.

[Derwood]

I can't believe I'm adding more to this thread, but there's a camp that maintains that Hamilton had a support group in Cincy that put him on the right track. Had he stayed in Tampa Bay, or drafted by the Cubs who had no intention of picking him because he was too much of a gamble and not good value at the time , he may have never cleaned himself up.

 

wait, you're saying that hanging out with Elijah Dukes and Delmon Young might have been bad? HELL YOU SAY

[Little Slide Rooter]

I can't believe I'm adding more to this thread, but there's a camp that maintains that Hamilton had a support group in Cincy that put him on the right track. Had he stayed in Tampa Bay, or drafted by the Cubs who had no intention of picking him because he was too much of a gamble and not good value at the time , he may have never cleaned himself up.

 

wait, you're saying that hanging out with Elijah Dukes and Delmon Young might have been bad? HELL YOU SAY

 

At least he isnt beating wives and slapping umps.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Interesting little snip from a Q&A with Hamilton from MLBtraderumors

 

Josh Hamilton: I knew I could possibly be taken, but I didn't know who by. I called a scout friend of mine and he told me — actually, he called me — and told me that I got taken by the Cubs. Of course, I called everybody. "Hey, everyone, I'm on the Cubs!" He called me back and went, "Nope. Change in plans. You're going to the Reds." So I had to call everybody right back and tell 'em I was going to the Reds.

 

[Billy_Buck]

Interesting little snip from a Q&A with Hamilton from MLBtraderumors

 

Josh Hamilton: I knew I could possibly be taken, but I didn't know who by. I called a scout friend of mine and he told me — actually, he called me — and told me that I got taken by the Cubs. Of course, I called everybody. "Hey, everyone, I'm on the Cubs!" He called me back and went, "Nope. Change in plans. You're going to the Reds." So I had to call everybody right back and tell 'em I was going to the Reds.

Good to know that the Cubs got an exclamation point, while a once-proud division rival was a sad afterthought.

[abuck1220]

imagine this team with A-Rod at SS and also Ted Williams and Babe Ruth and Cy Young. AMIRITE?

 

man, you are like 0 for the week.

 

obviously the cubs had no intention of drafting/keeping hamilton. but that doesn't change the fact that the cubs could have drafted/kept hamilton. so imagining the cubs with hamilton is not as crazy as you people are making it out to be.

[NCCubFan]

I can't believe I'm adding more to this thread, but there's a camp that maintains that Hamilton had a support group in Cincy that put him on the right track.

Jerry Narron to be specific. The Narron family (of which there are several other members involved in baseball at some level) and Hamilton are both from North Carolina, and Hamilton already had some contact with the Narrons (although I'm not sure about Jerry specifically).

[Derwood]

imagine this team with A-Rod at SS and also Ted Williams and Babe Ruth and Cy Young. AMIRITE?

 

man, you are like 0 for the week.

 

surely you have something better to do than keep score

[Soul]

imagine this team with A-Rod at SS and also Ted Williams and Babe Ruth and Cy Young. AMIRITE?

 

man, you are like 0 for the week.

 

obviously the cubs had no intention of drafting/keeping hamilton. but that doesn't change the fact that the cubs could have drafted/kept hamilton. so imagining the cubs with hamilton is not as crazy as you people are making it out to be.

 

Yeah but talking about this will probably increase the Cub fan suicide rate and stuff.

[abuck1220]

imagine this team with A-Rod at SS and also Ted Williams and Babe Ruth and Cy Young. AMIRITE?

 

man, you are like 0 for the week.

 

surely you have something better to do than keep score

 

well, i'm still at 0, so it hasn't been too much work.

[CuseCubFan69]

OK you've both had your little shots at each other so let's get back to the topic please, thank you.

[Vanilla Ice]

I can't believe I'm adding more to this thread, but there's a camp that maintains that Hamilton had a support group in Cincy that put him on the right track.

Jerry Narron to be specific. The Narron family (of which there are several other members involved in baseball at some level) and Hamilton are both from North Carolina, and Hamilton already had some contact with the Narrons (although I'm not sure about Jerry specifically).

Johnny Narron was Hamilton's youth league basketball coach. He is the one that went to Texas with him, I believe.

[BigSlick]

This topic has been beaten to death so many times, it's comical.

 

The Cubs never had Hamilton and never had any intention of having him. They sold their rule 5 pick to the Reds. All accounts are they had no idea who the Reds wanted. The Reds gave them the name moments before they made the pick. Hamilton is an amazing talent, but at the time last year he had only a few at bats at single A in which he had a 687 OPS. The Reds were in a position to take the gamble, the Cubs were not.

You need to keep this in a word file and just copy paste it whenever someone wakes up again with this issue

[RammyFanny]

I can't believe I'm adding more to this thread, but there's a camp that maintains that Hamilton had a support group in Cincy that put him on the right track. Had he stayed in Tampa Bay, or drafted by the Cubs who had no intention of picking him because he was too much of a gamble and not good value at the time , he may have never cleaned himself up.

Sounds like his teammates in Cincinatti definately weren't part of that support group:

He feels more accepted by his Texas teammates than in Cincinnati last year, when no one invited him out. He sensed jealousy and perhaps resentment over the attention his comeback story received.

 

"I even heard comments that I was signing too many autographs for the fans," he says. "It just got worse as the year went on."

 

The discord played no factor in the trade, but, Krivsky said: "There were issues in the clubhouse. Maybe that stuff would have gone by the boards had he stayed."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/rangers/2008-07-02-Hamilton_N.htm

[Magnetic Curses]

no one here knows that.

[Magnetic Curses]

think of all the awesome heroin that 5 million dollars could buy, though. just think about it.

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