Other possible trade targets?

[Keener98]

Are Fontenot and DeRo that bad defensively at SS that they couldnt slide there for a start here and there?

 

Fontenot, yes. And considering his experience there lasted what, a couple innings, last year, I doubt Lou sees him as an option.

 

DeRosa, maybe, although one might think he'd have played there more before if Lou considers him viable there.

 

If you do that though, you have to be prepared to say goodbye to Cedeno. He's out of options, and while he's not much right now, if Theriot falls off a cliff/gets seriously hurt, there's no one else in the system besides him that would play there for an extended stretch.

 

Yea I forgot about Fontenots stint at SS last year. On Cedeno, I really dont know what to do with him. He started out the year so good, and then has struggled trying to be bench player. Im in the same camp as everyone else though, our biggest "need" is for a power bat off the bench, because having Cedeno, Johnson, and Blanco as your RH side of the bench doenst put much fear into anybody.

 

You can't get rid of Cedeno and he was good enough in AAA the last 2 times he's been there and the week that he got consistent starts in MLB this year that he'd be gone the second he hit waivers. I like Blake a lot, and I'd probably get rid of one of the RPs. With both Lieber and Gaudin, I think we have enough guys that can eat innings and we can shuffle a few guys over the next several weeks if we burn through the bullpen.

 

Although, if we have Fontenot, who's hit pretty well off the bench, do we need Ward?

 

 

Yea I wasnt advocating getting rid of Cedeno(See the sig). I just really dont see him getting his chance to play with the Cubs though.

[anabiono]

Randy Wolf at home: 2.54 ERA

Randy Wolf on road: 6.66 ERA

 

Greg Maddux at home: 2.36 ERA

Greg Maddux on road: 5.71 ERA

you should probably put this in your sig or something. can't be said enough as far as i'm concerned.

 

ok ok ok i see the light, nevermind on wolf...

 

 

damn

[soapy]

Randy Wolf at home: 2.54 ERA

Randy Wolf on road: 6.66 ERA

 

Greg Maddux at home: 2.36 ERA

Greg Maddux on road: 5.71 ERA

you should probably put this in your sig or something. can't be said enough as far as i'm concerned.

 

ok ok ok i see the light, nevermind on wolf...

 

 

damn

 

hahaha...didn't mean to be piling on you or anything. several have mentioned both Maddux and Wolf, including journalists.

[BigbadB]

Yeah, mine was a response to all the discussion I've heard about Wolf and/or Maddux. These are not guys the Cubs should spend any time looking at.

[Tracer Bullet]

Are Fontenot and DeRo that bad defensively at SS that they couldnt slide there for a start here and there?

 

Fontenot, yes. And considering his experience there lasted what, a couple innings, last year, I doubt Lou sees him as an option.

 

DeRosa, maybe, although one might think he'd have played there more before if Lou considers him viable there.

 

If you do that though, you have to be prepared to say goodbye to Cedeno. He's out of options, and while he's not much right now, if Theriot falls off a cliff/gets seriously hurt, there's no one else in the system besides him that would play there for an extended stretch.

 

Yea I forgot about Fontenots stint at SS last year. On Cedeno, I really dont know what to do with him. He started out the year so good, and then has struggled trying to be bench player. Im in the same camp as everyone else though, our biggest "need" is for a power bat off the bench, because having Cedeno, Johnson, and Blanco as your RH side of the bench doenst put much fear into anybody.

 

You can't get rid of Cedeno and he was good enough in AAA the last 2 times he's been there and the week that he got consistent starts in MLB this year that he'd be gone the second he hit waivers. I like Blake a lot, and I'd probably get rid of one of the RPs. With both Lieber and Gaudin, I think we have enough guys that can eat innings and we can shuffle a few guys over the next several weeks if we burn through the bullpen.

 

Although, if we have Fontenot, who's hit pretty well off the bench, do we need Ward?

 

 

Yea I wasnt advocating getting rid of Cedeno(See the sig). I just really dont see him getting his chance to play with the Cubs though.

 

Yeah, I agree, but he's an insurance policy we need right now.

[TheDude]

I doubt very much the Cubs do anything else. The guys they gave up for Harden represented most of the 'package' ready guys close or at the bigs we all thought could get traded.

 

Now the only names left at AAA or higher are:

 

Pie - who likely assumes a need role next year when Johnson/Edmonds are gone

Marshall - a guy the team needs right now as the 6th starter

Hill - obviously not trade ready right now, and if he comes back dominant in 2009 the rotation looks killer

Cedeno - not sure how many teams are truly impressed with Ronny

Hoff - is there actually a market for him?

 

This team is already solid. I wouldn't part with the few commodities left for marginal gains at this stage. Let the lower guys like Vitters develop and keep the remaning AAA, AAAA, and MLB role players for the off-season or next year.

[Keener98]

I doubt very much the Cubs do anything else. The guys they gave up for Harden represented most of the 'package' ready guys close or at the bigs we all thought could get traded.

 

Now the only names left at AAA or higher are:

 

Pie - who likely assumes a need role next year when Johnson/Edmonds are gone

Marshall - a guy the team needs right now as the 6th starter

Hill - obviously not trade ready right now, and if he comes back dominant in 2009 the rotation looks killer

Cedeno - not sure how many teams are truly impressed with Ronny

Hoff - is there actually a market for him?

 

This team is already solid. I wouldn't part with the few commodities left for marginal gains at this stage. Let the lower guys like Vitters develop and keep the remaning AAA, AAAA, and MLB role players for the off-season or next year.

 

When did Ronny clear waivers and get sent down?

[Backtobanks]

Do you think the pitching-starved, offensive-rich Tigers would think about this trade?

Marquis, Wuertz, + Cedeno for Carlos Guillen or Marcus Thames

[Keener98]

Do you think the pitching-starved, offensive-rich Tigers would think about this trade?

Marquis, Wuertz, + Cedeno for Carlos Guillen or Marcus Thames

And what exactly would we do with Guillen?

[David]

I doubt very much the Cubs do anything else. The guys they gave up for Harden represented most of the 'package' ready guys close or at the bigs we all thought could get traded.

 

Now the only names left at AAA or higher are:

 

Pie - who likely assumes a need role next year when Johnson/Edmonds are gone

Marshall - a guy the team needs right now as the 6th starter

Hill - obviously not trade ready right now, and if he comes back dominant in 2009 the rotation looks killer

Cedeno - not sure how many teams are truly impressed with Ronny

Hoff - is there actually a market for him?

 

This team is already solid. I wouldn't part with the few commodities left for marginal gains at this stage. Let the lower guys like Vitters develop and keep the remaning AAA, AAAA, and MLB role players for the off-season or next year.

 

When did Ronny clear waivers and get sent down?

 

wat?

[killthegoat06]

I doubt very much the Cubs do anything else. The guys they gave up for Harden represented most of the 'package' ready guys close or at the bigs we all thought could get traded.

 

Now the only names left at AAA or higher are:

 

Pie - who likely assumes a need role next year when Johnson/Edmonds are gone

Marshall - a guy the team needs right now as the 6th starter

Hill - obviously not trade ready right now, and if he comes back dominant in 2009 the rotation looks killer

Cedeno - not sure how many teams are truly impressed with Ronny

Hoff - is there actually a market for him?

 

This team is already solid. I wouldn't part with the few commodities left for marginal gains at this stage. Let the lower guys like Vitters develop and keep the remaning AAA, AAAA, and MLB role players for the off-season or next year.

When did Ronny clear waivers and get sent down?

 

wat?

[Keener98]

I doubt very much the Cubs do anything else. The guys they gave up for Harden represented most of the 'package' ready guys close or at the bigs we all thought could get traded.

 

Now the only names left at AAA or higher are:

 

Pie - who likely assumes a need role next year when Johnson/Edmonds are gone

Marshall - a guy the team needs right now as the 6th starter

Hill - obviously not trade ready right now, and if he comes back dominant in 2009 the rotation looks killer

Cedeno - not sure how many teams are truly impressed with Ronny

Hoff - is there actually a market for him?

 

This team is already solid. I wouldn't part with the few commodities left for marginal gains at this stage. Let the lower guys like Vitters develop and keep the remaning AAA, AAAA, and MLB role players for the off-season or next year.

 

When did Ronny clear waivers and get sent down?

 

wat?

 

Ooops I didnt see the "or higher" in his post. I read it as the only players we have in AAA. Quiet I have been up since 6 pm yesterday :-"

[mdwilla]

Now the only names left at AAA or higher are:

 

Pie - who likely assumes a need role next year when Johnson/Edmonds are gone

Marshall - a guy the team needs right now as the 6th starter

Hill - obviously not trade ready right now, and if he comes back dominant in 2009 the rotation looks killer

Cedeno - not sure how many teams are truly impressed with Ronny

Hoff - is there actually a market for him?

 

This team is already solid. I wouldn't part with the few commodities left for marginal gains at this stage. Let the lower guys like Vitters develop and keep the remaning AAA, AAAA, and MLB role players for the off-season or next year.

 

Ascanio,Veal,Ceda, Castilla, Wuertz,Hart, all have some vaule on the market . One advantage Hendry has will be his ability to still add payroll which quite a few clubs might not be able to.

[SouthSideRyan]

Do you think the pitching-starved, offensive-rich Tigers would think about this trade?

Marquis, Wuertz, + Cedeno for Carlos Guillen or Marcus Thames

 

Dave Dombrowski would never stop laughing.

[UMFan83]

Some "news" from BCB. Love or hate BCB, some of Al's inside info has been true in the past.

 

Finally, some Deep Goat rumors heard today: there were definitely scouts at the ballpark watching Jason Marquis today, and there is interest from more than one team. After this performance, which lowered his ERA to a not-unreasonable 4.44, interest might heat up. Cub scouts have been dispatched to watch at least one minor league team in order to gauge possible prospects the Cubs might want in return. (Sorry, can't tell you who at this time.) Also, the Cubs are still seeking left-handed relief help, so although there aren't any deals (that I know of) in the works right this minute, Jim Hendry may not be done dealing, and of course there are three weeks remaining.

[Post Count Padder]

Some "news" from BCB. Love or hate BCB, some of Al's inside info has been true in the past.

 

Finally, some Deep Goat rumors heard today: there were definitely scouts at the ballpark watching Jason Marquis today, and there is interest from more than one team. After this performance, which lowered his ERA to a not-unreasonable 4.44, interest might heat up. Cub scouts have been dispatched to watch at least one minor league team in order to gauge possible prospects the Cubs might want in return. (Sorry, can't tell you who at this time.) Also, the Cubs are still seeking left-handed relief help, so although there aren't any deals (that I know of) in the works right this minute, Jim Hendry may not be done dealing, and of course there are three weeks remaining.

Thing is, I'd rather keep Marquis for now. He isn't pitching terribly at the moment. I'd prefer to hang onto him at least a few more starts. I don't think we'd get much in return anyway.

[Keener98]

Why do we need left handed relief help when we already have Cotts and Eyre?

[BigbadB]

Heck no. If there is a market for Marquis, make the deal. Not only do the Cubs get out of that contract, but they might get prospects that they can spin off for bigger needs. Sean Marshall can do what Marquis can do in the rotation.

 

The wind was blowing in today. Chalk up Marquis' stellar outing to that and an atrocious offense and let's get Marquis out of here will the getting is still good.

[weatherdood]

Why do we need left handed relief help when we already have Cotts and Eyre?

 

Because Eyre can't stay healthy, and despite the numbers, Cotts isn't very good. His 1.57 WHIP doesn't do much for me....

[erik316wttn]

Heck no. If there is a market for Marquis, make the deal. Not only do the Cubs get out of that contract, but they might get prospects that they can spin off for bigger needs. Sean Marshall can do what Marquis can do in the rotation.

 

The wind was blowing in today. Chalk up Marquis' stellar outing to that and an atrocious offense and let's get Marquis out of here will the getting is still good.

 

This.

 

Anything Marquis can do, Marshall can do for less than 1/20th the cost.

[CubColtPacer]

Heck no. If there is a market for Marquis, make the deal. Not only do the Cubs get out of that contract, but they might get prospects that they can spin off for bigger needs. Sean Marshall can do what Marquis can do in the rotation.

 

The wind was blowing in today. Chalk up Marquis' stellar outing to that and an atrocious offense and let's get Marquis out of here will the getting is still good.

 

Agreed, and I've been a Marquis defender. I don't think Marquis's contract is all that unreasonable overall compared to other salaries and production around the league.

 

However, the Cubs currently have 3 starters locked in for next year (Zambrano, Lilly, Hardin), a decision to make on Dempster, and then a few possibilities waiting in the wings beyond that (Hill, Marshall, Gaudin, etc.). With that much pitching stability already in the rotation, Marquis becomes less necessary, and getting out of his 9 million dollars in 09 should be a high priority. If the Cubs can find a way to make a deal now without paying more than 1 million dollars, the entire Marquis era in Chicago will be a pretty good one. If you let him get into his largest contract year, it might turn sour on you.

[RedFlash]

Why do we need left handed relief help when we already have Cotts and Eyre?

 

Because Eyre can't stay healthy, and despite the numbers, Cotts isn't very good. His 1.57 WHIP doesn't do much for me....

 

Not to mention, neither player is someone you'd trust in a late game situation of a playoff game. I realize Cotts was unbelieveable in 2005, but he's been crap since, and Eyre, he's fine in mid relief, but I much rather have Fuentes, possibly, in the lefty set-up role.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Heck no. If there is a market for Marquis, make the deal. Not only do the Cubs get out of that contract, but they might get prospects that they can spin off for bigger needs. Sean Marshall can do what Marquis can do in the rotation.

 

The wind was blowing in today. Chalk up Marquis' stellar outing to that and an atrocious offense and let's get Marquis out of here will the getting is still good.

 

 

I'm with ya, BbB. If there's a taker for Marquis and his contract, we should move him. Gaudin and Marshall can fill in his spot.

 

This is a time to sell while his value is at its peak.

[mdwilla]

I don't think it will cost much to get a guy like Arthur Rhodes from the Mariners.

[RedFlash]

I don't think it will cost much to get a guy like Arthur Rhodes from the Mariners.

 

He's not an upgrade over what the Cubs currently have. If you are trading for another lefty reliever, he HAS to be an upgrade. Rhodes is not.