CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[TruffleShuffle]

escobar is ready for the majors... he needs at least all of next year in the minors if not more time than that.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Brantley and Green are simply not top tier prospects. Green isn't young for his level, has a .155 IsoP at 3B, and is a terrible defender everywhere. Brantley can't hit for extra bases to save his life. While he can take walks and steal bases, the complete lack of any type of power keeps him from being any type of elite as a potential big leaguer(especially if he's not good enough to stick in CF).

[Soul]

Brantley and Green are simply not top tier prospects. Green isn't young for his level, has a .155 IsoP at 3B, and is a terrible defender everywhere. Brantley can't hit for extra bases to save his life. While he can take walks and steal bases, the complete lack of any type of power keeps him from being any type of elite as a potential big leaguer(especially if he's not good enough to stick in CF).

 

That makes the deal CC for LaPorta and riff-raff then, correct?

 

How is that not crazy for the Indians? I know CC is just a rental, but still. If LaPorta doesn't pan out -- and there have been plenty of AA prospects who looked good yet didn't pan out -- then the Indians could very well be looking back 3 years from now in the realization that they gave away the best player in their organization for nothing.

[Banedon]

Stone said nothing about "his sources" in regard to Hardy. He was purely speculating that because the Brewers insisted on keeping Escobar, that meant they intended to insert Escobar at SS in 2009, making Hardy expendable. Hardy has been white hot recently and there's no way the Brewers would include him.

 

I expect the Brewers will slide Hardy to 3B as soon as Escobar is deemed ready.

 

The Cleveland Plain Dealer says the PTBNL is Green or Micheal Brantley. The reason it's to be named later is that Cleveland wants more time to scout these guys.

 

Green and Brantley are A- types. A cut below Milwaukee's top tier, but would be top tier in many organizations.

 

Welcome to the board!

[inari]

Vitters and Veal absolutely would've topped this offer.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Brantley and Green are simply not top tier prospects. Green isn't young for his level, has a .155 IsoP at 3B, and is a terrible defender everywhere. Brantley can't hit for extra bases to save his life. While he can take walks and steal bases, the complete lack of any type of power keeps him from being any type of elite as a potential big leaguer(especially if he's not good enough to stick in CF).

 

That makes the deal CC for LaPorta and riff-raff then, correct?

 

How is that not crazy for the Indians? I know CC is just a rental, but still. If LaPorta doesn't pan out -- and there have been plenty of AA prospects who looked good yet didn't pan out -- then the Indians could very well be looking back 3 years from now in the realization that they gave away the best player in their organization for nothing.

 

Brantley and Green aren't riff raff, they're pretty solid prospects. They're not special though, most systems have guys just like them, which was what I was trying to get across.

[Hall7810]

Vitters and Veal absolutely would've topped this offer.

 

 

How so? All indications were the Indians wanted a potential impact bat, who could possibly play for the big club as early as this season. Vitters isn't that.

[Soul]

Brantley and Green are simply not top tier prospects. Green isn't young for his level, has a .155 IsoP at 3B, and is a terrible defender everywhere. Brantley can't hit for extra bases to save his life. While he can take walks and steal bases, the complete lack of any type of power keeps him from being any type of elite as a potential big leaguer(especially if he's not good enough to stick in CF).

 

That makes the deal CC for LaPorta and riff-raff then, correct?

 

How is that not crazy for the Indians? I know CC is just a rental, but still. If LaPorta doesn't pan out -- and there have been plenty of AA prospects who looked good yet didn't pan out -- then the Indians could very well be looking back 3 years from now in the realization that they gave away the best player in their organization for nothing.

 

Brantley and Green aren't riff raff, they're pretty solid prospects. They're not special though, most systems have guys just like them, which was what I was trying to get across.

 

OK, then they might have traded a CY Young pitcher for Ryan Theriot. That's only slightly less crazy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Brantley and Green are simply not top tier prospects. Green isn't young for his level, has a .155 IsoP at 3B, and is a terrible defender everywhere. Brantley can't hit for extra bases to save his life. While he can take walks and steal bases, the complete lack of any type of power keeps him from being any type of elite as a potential big leaguer(especially if he's not good enough to stick in CF).

 

That makes the deal CC for LaPorta and riff-raff then, correct?

 

How is that not crazy for the Indians? I know CC is just a rental, but still. If LaPorta doesn't pan out -- and there have been plenty of AA prospects who looked good yet didn't pan out -- then the Indians could very well be looking back 3 years from now in the realization that they gave away the best player in their organization for nothing.

 

Brantley and Green aren't riff raff, they're pretty solid prospects. They're not special though, most systems have guys just like them, which was what I was trying to get across.

 

OK, then they might have traded a CY Young pitcher for Ryan Theriot. That's only slightly less crazy.

 

More along the lines of Ryan Braun, Reed Johnson, and Todd Walker for Sabathia.

[inari]

Vitters and Veal absolutely would've topped this offer.

 

 

How so? All indications were the Indians wanted a potential impact bat, who could possibly play for the big club as early as this season. Vitters isn't that.

 

LaPorta's that close?

 

And I did mean to type Vitters, Veal, and Gallagher. Whoops.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

LaPorta's that close?

 

And I did mean to type Vitters, Veal, and Gallagher. Whoops.

 

.291/.404/.584/.988 in AA

[Hall7810]

He's mashing in AA and he's obviously much closer than is Vitters. Wouldn't shock me at all to see him up in September.

[moochpuppy]

Hendry dropped the ball here. No way Milwaukee should have been able to outbid the Cubs with the deal they made.

 

At least Hendry can make up for it by signing CC in the offseason.

[98navigator]

Hendry dropped the ball here. No way Milwaukee should have been able to outbid the Cubs with the deal they made.

 

At least Hendry can make up for it by signing CC in the offseason.

 

No ball was dropped. We're talking about prospects here, not dollars, so Hendry was limited. I'm also not so sure the Cubs would go after him in the offseason.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hendry dropped the ball here. No way Milwaukee should have been able to outbid the Cubs with the deal they made.

 

At least Hendry can make up for it by signing CC in the offseason.

 

Simply not true. LaPorta in the deal made it nearly impossible the Cubs could have matched up with the Indians. The Indians were looking for an offensive player that could fit in the line-up next year. LaPorta has that potential. While the other three players were easily matched, the Cubs couldn't match-up with the centerpiece of the deal.

[Oscar Zamora]

So the Brewers landed C.C. Sabathia...big deal? The Cubs will still win the division. Mark it down! It will happen and I honestly believe we might even win it all in 2008. And I don't think C.C. will end up signing with Milwaukee after the season --the Cubs will.

 

the cubs will end up signing with milwaukee? that'd be crazy.

 

Combining the two teams into one uber-team would be freaking awesome.

 

"Truffle Shuffle" and "Outshined" y'all are crazy. I thought y'all understood english but I guess I was wrong. Hmm, maybe I should have said what I said in spanish. Again, I think the Cubs have a better chance at signing Sabathia than the Brewers do. Comprende?

[Choonch]

Does anyone have a link to an Indians message board? I'd like to see what they think of the deal.

[CubinNY]

Does anyone have a link to an Indians message board? I'd like to see what they think of the deal.

I'll save you the trouble

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That's each post in emoticon.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If I were an Indians fan, I'd probably like the deal. I would have realized that Sabathia is gone and at least with LaPorta you get a prospect that might make a difference next year.

[Soul]

Does anyone have a link to an Indians message board? I'd like to see what they think of the deal.

I'll save you the trouble

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ :good: \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ :good: :good: \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ :roll: :good: :good: :scratch: \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

 

That's each post in emoticon.

 

Where did you get that? Here's one sample thread:

 

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-indians&tid=42962

 

Sounds more like a :banghead: than a \:D/ in that particular discussion anyway.

[CubinNY]

Does anyone have a link to an Indians message board? I'd like to see what they think of the deal.

I'll save you the trouble

 

That's each post in emoticon.

 

Where did you get that? Here's one sample thread:

 

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-indians&tid=42962

 

Sounds more like a :banghead: than a \:D/ in that particular discussion anyway.

I misread. Shouldn't be doing two things at once. Or three for that matter.

 

My guess is it that they are sorry to see the team as messed up as it appears to be. Somebody needs to get fired.

 

If I were a fan the only other thing I'd be upset about is that they didn't get enough. The Yankees know that they didn't need to trade for him b/c they'll be signing him in the offseason.

[The Voice of Reason]

Hendry dropped the ball here. No way Milwaukee should have been able to outbid the Cubs with the deal they made.

 

At least Hendry can make up for it by signing CC in the offseason.

 

No ball was dropped. We're talking about prospects here, not dollars, so Hendry was limited. I'm also not so sure the Cubs would go after him in the offseason.

 

 

CC wants to play on the West Coast. This was a 1/2 year rental by the Brewers.

[TruffleShuffle]

for the sake of argument, what if wieters is in the cubs organization instead of vitters? then are the cubs close to topping this offer with something like wieters/veal/atkins or something?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

for the sake of argument, what if wieters is in the cubs organization instead of vitters? then are the cubs close to topping this offer with something like wieters/veal/atkins or something?

 

I don't know. I think LaPorta is a better hitter than Wieters, but Wieters adds value from the catcher's spot. It might be a lot closer, but who knows?

[USSoccer]

for the sake of argument, what if wieters is in the cubs organization instead of vitters? then are the cubs close to topping this offer with something like wieters/veal/atkins or something?

 

I don't know. I think LaPorta is a better hitter than Wieters, but Wieters adds value from the catcher's spot. It might be a lot closer, but who knows?

 

You have to consider that LaPorta might have been a target of Shapiro's. Wasn't it reported that Hendry wasn't really involved with the CC talks, and Cleveland spurned a different package from the NYY?

 

I know you hate yourself some Vitters, but Weiters might not have changed the equation.