CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[Outshined_One]

So the Brewers landed C.C. Sabathia...big deal? The Cubs will still win the division. Mark it down! It will happen and I honestly believe we might even win it all in 2008. And I don't think C.C. will end up signing with Milwaukee after the season --the Cubs will.

 

the cubs will end up signing with milwaukee? that'd be crazy.

 

Combining the two teams into one uber-team would be freaking awesome.

[98navigator]

So the Brewers landed C.C. Sabathia...big deal? The Cubs will still win the division. Mark it down! It will happen and I honestly believe we might even win it all in 2008. And I don't think C.C. will end up signing with Milwaukee after the season --the Cubs will.

 

LOL, you sound jealous. :) Seriously, it's a great move for them but I agree with the gist of your message; it might not directly impact the overall outcome of the Cubs' season.

[cubscausestress]

did he sign for 200 cheeseburgers? get it? he's fat!

[ConstableRabbit]

Now I'm just worried that JH is going to overreact and overpay bigtime. I'm just hoping that he at least target a pitcher that's good, such as Burnett or Harden.

[Ender]

So the Brewers landed C.C. Sabathia...big deal? The Cubs will still win the division. Mark it down! It will happen and I honestly believe we might even win it all in 2008. And I don't think C.C. will end up signing with Milwaukee after the season --the Cubs will.

 

the cubs will end up signing with milwaukee? that'd be crazy.

 

Combining the two teams into one uber-team would be freaking awesome.

 

C - Soto

1B - Lee

2B - Derosa

SS - Hardy (though his job isn't safe)

3B - Aramis

RF - Soriano

LF - Braun

CF - Hart

OF - Fukudome (sorry less of a track record so I just can't put him over Hart/Braun)

 

SP - Sheets

SP - Sabathia

SP - Zambrano

SP - Gallardo (we'll pretend he is healthy)

SP - Lilly/Dempster (Can't bring myself to believe Dempster is for real so I'd go Lilly or maybe Hill!)

 

CL - Wood

RP - Torres

RP - Marmol

RP - Shouse

RP - Wuertz

LR - Parra maybe?

LR - Lieber

 

Yeah I think that team can win the world series.

Edited July 7, 2008 by Ender

[TruffleShuffle]

did he sign for 200 cheeseburgers? get it? he's fat!

 

if you're a buffet restaurant owner in milwaukee and you see prince fielder and c.c. sabathia walking toward your place, do you (a) lock the door immediately or (b) call your lawyer and file bankruptcy paperwork?

[jaydee]

So the Brewers landed C.C. Sabathia...big deal? The Cubs will still win the division. Mark it down! It will happen and I honestly believe we might even win it all in 2008. And I don't think C.C. will end up signing with Milwaukee after the season --the Cubs will.

 

the cubs will end up signing with milwaukee? that'd be crazy.

 

Combining the two teams into one uber-team would be freaking awesome.

 

C - Soto

1B - Lee

2B - Derosa

SS - Hardy (though his job isn't safe)

3B - Aramis

RF - Soriano

LF - Braun

CF - Hart

OF - Fukudome (sorry less of a track record so I just can't put him over Hart/Braun)

 

SP - Sheets

SP - Sabathia

SP - Zambrano

SP - Gallardo (we'll pretend he is healthy)

SP - Lilly/Dempster (Can't bring myself to believe Dempster is for real so I'd go Lilly or maybe Hill!)

 

RP - Wood

RP - Torres

RP - Marmol

RP - Shouse

RP - Wuertz

LR - Parra maybe?

LR - Lieber

 

Yeah I think that team can win the world series.

 

Where is Howry? lol

 

Anyway, I think I'm in the crowd that says this really won't effect the Cubs season in the end. The Cubs are still a better team than the Brewers overall, especially considering Hendry is bound to make a move for another starter and at the very list it looks like Hill has figured his problem out and should come back a little later on.

[Ender]

Anyway, I think I'm in the crowd that says this really won't effect the Cubs season in the end. The Cubs are still a better team than the Brewers overall, especially considering Hendry is bound to make a move for another starter and at the very list it looks like Hill has figured his problem out and should come back a little later on.

 

I dunno if it changes the divisional race but the more interesting question probably is what does it do to the Brewers chances assuming they do make the playoffs. A playoff rotation of Sheets, Suppan, Parra and then Bush/McClung as a fallback certainly looks a lot worse than Sheets, Sabathia, Suppan and/or Parra.

 

I imagine if the Brewers make the playoffs they'll tank like most young teams do, but you never know with baseball. So easy to get on a hot streak at the right time.

[Oscar Zamora]

So the Brewers landed C.C. Sabathia...big deal? The Cubs will still win the division. Mark it down! It will happen and I honestly believe we might even win it all in 2008. And I don't think C.C. will end up signing with Milwaukee after the season --the Cubs will.

 

LOL, you sound jealous. :) Seriously, it's a great move for them but I agree with the gist of your message; it might not directly impact the overall outcome of the Cubs' season.

 

Yeah Navigator, it's a great move for the Brew Crew and I'm happy for them but there's no way they overtake the Cubs. Milwaukee might win the WC but they wont defeat the Cubs in the playoffs. In the 2nd Half, the Cubs will continue to compete with the Rays, for being the best team in baseball. In the past this would have freaked me out but I'm not concerned, I know the Cubs will prevail in the end. I'll sleep well tonight.

[TruffleShuffle]

C - Soto

1B - Lee

2B - Derosa

SS - Hardy (though his job isn't safe)

3B - Aramis

RF - Soriano

LF - Braun

CF - Hart

OF - Fukudome (sorry less of a track record so I just can't put him over Hart/Braun)

 

SP - Sheets

SP - Sabathia

SP - Zambrano

SP - Gallardo (we'll pretend he is healthy)

SP - Lilly/Dempster (Can't bring myself to believe Dempster is for real so I'd go Lilly or maybe Hill!)

 

CL - Wood

RP - Torres

RP - Marmol

RP - Shouse

RP - Wuertz

LR - Parra maybe?

LR - Lieber

 

Yeah I think that team can win the world series.

 

kick ass. hart over fukudome is fair if we get lee over fielder. plus fukudome could spell braun and soriano frequently against RHP and prince could play against some RHP too. i'd take derosa and hardy as the everyday 2B/SS combo. i agree with most of the pitchers, but sub in howry for wuertz. also, lilly as the #5 is fine, but let's put dempster in for lieber as the other reliever. the bench would be:

 

Fielder

Fukudome

Theriot

Cameron

Kendall i guess...

Hall or Weeks can be added if you leave off Dempster and go to 14 position players and 11 pitchers.

 

so what do you choose if the options are either city, or team name/uniform? so it's either the chicago brewers, wearing dark blue and gold, or the milwaukee cubs, wearing cubbie blue and red.

[BCVM22]

if you're a buffet restaurant owner in milwaukee and you see prince fielder and c.c. sabathia walking toward your place, do you (a) lock the door immediately or (b) call your lawyer and file bankruptcy paperwork?

 

:lol: :lol:

 

On this topic, am I the only one who feels like a pitcher as large as Sabathia who's now going to be forced to run the bases with at least some regularity is just a hamstring injury waiting to happen?

[Ender]

Hall absolutely rakes against lefties and can play like every position so he makes a pretty good bench guy as long as Piniella is the manager and not Yost who will misuse him.

 

Tempting to find a spot for Branyan given his stats this year but I guess with Fielder on the bench it is rough getting another lefty on there.

[TruffleShuffle]

if you're a buffet restaurant owner in milwaukee and you see prince fielder and c.c. sabathia walking toward your place, do you (a) lock the door immediately or (b) call your lawyer and file bankruptcy paperwork?

 

:lol: :lol:

 

On this topic, am I the only one who feels like a pitcher as large as Sabathia who's now going to be forced to run the bases with at least some regularity is just a hamstring injury waiting to happen?

 

yeah but when he gets a hold of one, look out. he hit a bomb in l.a. that went something like 440 feet, it was tremendous.

[BigSlick]

Good for them I guess, we wont have a boring September. (We probably wouldn't have anyway)

 

I'll never hate the Brewers as much as nearly any other team in the division, so if this gets them the wild card, so much the better for them. Just don't lay a finger on my division crown.

 

We'll be sure to have some interesting match ups against C.C. later in the season, would have loved to have him on our team, but we had neither the prospects nor the balls to make a big trade like that.

 

Everyone get ready for Randy Wolf or season 3 of Everybody Hates Steve Trachsel

[Ender]

Good for them I guess, we wont have a boring September. (We probably wouldn't have anyway)

 

I'll never hate the Brewers as much as nearly any other team in the division, so if this gets them the wild card, so much the better for them. Just don't lay a finger on my division crown.

 

We'll be sure to have some interesting match ups against C.C. later in the season, would have loved to have him on our team, but we had neither the prospects nor the balls to make a big trade like that.

 

Everyone get ready for Randy Wolf or season 3 of Everybody Hates Steve Trachsel

 

Cubs don't match up poorly with a Burnett deal. Though that could end up as a disaster in its own way I guess.

[BCVM22]

yeah but when he gets a hold of one, look out. he hit a bomb in l.a. that went something like 440 feet, it was tremendous.

 

I know that much. He did the same thing in Cincinatti three years ago when he took one out to straightaway center.

[SouthSideRyan]

Good for them I guess, we wont have a boring September. (We probably wouldn't have anyway)

 

I'll never hate the Brewers as much as nearly any other team in the division, so if this gets them the wild card, so much the better for them. Just don't lay a finger on my division crown.

 

We'll be sure to have some interesting match ups against C.C. later in the season, would have loved to have him on our team, but we had neither the prospects nor the balls to make a big trade like that.

 

Everyone get ready for Randy Wolf or season 3 of Everybody Hates Steve Trachsel

 

Cubs don't match up poorly with a Burnett deal. Though that could end up as a disaster in its own way I guess.

 

I've been banging this drum to anyone who'd listen, but unless Burnett gets hurt, whoever trades for him is going to be very pleased with the results. He can be had for peanuts, and he has a gorgeous FIP

[17 Seconds]

Good for them I guess, we wont have a boring September. (We probably wouldn't have anyway)

 

I'll never hate the Brewers as much as nearly any other team in the division, so if this gets them the wild card, so much the better for them. Just don't lay a finger on my division crown.

 

We'll be sure to have some interesting match ups against C.C. later in the season, would have loved to have him on our team, but we had neither the prospects nor the balls to make a big trade like that.

 

Everyone get ready for Randy Wolf or season 3 of Everybody Hates Steve Trachsel

 

Cubs don't match up poorly with a Burnett deal. Though that could end up as a disaster in its own way I guess.

 

He can be had for peanuts

 

Why does everybody keep assuming that? What motivation does Toronto have to trade him if it's for "peanuts"? That doesn't make sense to me.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

For those worrying that the Brewers may make another deal to bolster the bullpen, I wouldn't be so sure of it. The Brewers will now be adding the remaining salary of Sabathia to their payroll which pushes it near if not over 90 million. Maybe the new owner will authorize Melvin to take that higher, but I'm guessing that's close to their spending limit.

[VanceJergins]

Good for them I guess, we wont have a boring September. (We probably wouldn't have anyway)

 

I'll never hate the Brewers as much as nearly any other team in the division, so if this gets them the wild card, so much the better for them. Just don't lay a finger on my division crown.

 

We'll be sure to have some interesting match ups against C.C. later in the season, would have loved to have him on our team, but we had neither the prospects nor the balls to make a big trade like that.

 

Everyone get ready for Randy Wolf or season 3 of Everybody Hates Steve Trachsel

 

Cubs don't match up poorly with a Burnett deal. Though that could end up as a disaster in its own way I guess.

 

He can be had for peanuts

 

Why does everybody keep assuming that? What motivation does Toronto have to trade him if it's for "peanuts"? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

They've pretty much come out and said they want to get rid of him and that the asking price isn't very high. They want to dump his contract.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Good for them I guess, we wont have a boring September. (We probably wouldn't have anyway)

 

I'll never hate the Brewers as much as nearly any other team in the division, so if this gets them the wild card, so much the better for them. Just don't lay a finger on my division crown.

 

We'll be sure to have some interesting match ups against C.C. later in the season, would have loved to have him on our team, but we had neither the prospects nor the balls to make a big trade like that.

 

Everyone get ready for Randy Wolf or season 3 of Everybody Hates Steve Trachsel

 

Cubs don't match up poorly with a Burnett deal. Though that could end up as a disaster in its own way I guess.

 

He can be had for peanuts

 

Why does everybody keep assuming that? What motivation does Toronto have to trade him if it's for "peanuts"? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

They've pretty much come out and said they want to get rid of him and that the asking price isn't very high. They want to dump his contract.

 

That and reports have said a Cubs deal would revolve around Ronny Cedeno, of all people.

[17 Seconds]

Good for them I guess, we wont have a boring September. (We probably wouldn't have anyway)

 

I'll never hate the Brewers as much as nearly any other team in the division, so if this gets them the wild card, so much the better for them. Just don't lay a finger on my division crown.

 

We'll be sure to have some interesting match ups against C.C. later in the season, would have loved to have him on our team, but we had neither the prospects nor the balls to make a big trade like that.

 

Everyone get ready for Randy Wolf or season 3 of Everybody Hates Steve Trachsel

 

Cubs don't match up poorly with a Burnett deal. Though that could end up as a disaster in its own way I guess.

 

He can be had for peanuts

 

Why does everybody keep assuming that? What motivation does Toronto have to trade him if it's for "peanuts"? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

They've pretty much come out and said they want to get rid of him and that the asking price isn't very high. They want to dump his contract.

 

I highly doubt that they came out and said the asking price isn't very high. Where are you getting that from?

 

I don't doubt that he's available, but it would be completely pointless to just give him away for garbage. What is their motivation?

[17 Seconds]

Good for them I guess, we wont have a boring September. (We probably wouldn't have anyway)

 

I'll never hate the Brewers as much as nearly any other team in the division, so if this gets them the wild card, so much the better for them. Just don't lay a finger on my division crown.

 

We'll be sure to have some interesting match ups against C.C. later in the season, would have loved to have him on our team, but we had neither the prospects nor the balls to make a big trade like that.

 

Everyone get ready for Randy Wolf or season 3 of Everybody Hates Steve Trachsel

 

Cubs don't match up poorly with a Burnett deal. Though that could end up as a disaster in its own way I guess.

 

He can be had for peanuts

 

Why does everybody keep assuming that? What motivation does Toronto have to trade him if it's for "peanuts"? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

They've pretty much come out and said they want to get rid of him and that the asking price isn't very high. They want to dump his contract.

 

That and reports have said a Cubs deal would revolve around Ronny Cedeno, of all people.

 

Reports meaning false speculation from unreliable sources? Come on, a deal centered around Cedeno? You don't think that trade would have been long ago if that were true?

[RedFlash]

I highly doubt that they came out and said the asking price isn't very high. Where are you getting that from?

 

I don't doubt that he's available, but it would be completely pointless to just give him away for garbage. What is their motivation?

 

Their motivations? Payroll flexibility. Plain and simple. Toronto is not a team (at least in baseball) that can afford having 6 players making atleast $10 mill per (Halladay/Ryan/Burnett/Rolen/Rios/Wells), and a couple other players making atleast $7 mill or more (Overbay, Hill with club options). Toronto isn't Oakland or Tampa in terms of payroll, but they can't sustain a $90 million dollar team salary (it's closer to $100 mill), if the team isn't going to win. There looking to cut payroll, by trading guys like Burnett/Ryan and reinvesting into guys like Halladay, McGowan/Litsch, etc, etc.

 

Now there not going to want crappy minor leaguers for Burnett, but they won't ask for the package Cleveland got for CC. Not to mention, Toronto is also looking to move Eckstein, and don't have a suitable replacement in their system (other then John McDonald) to play SS. Enter Ronny Cedeno. Cedeno has shown he can be a major league caliber SS, and thus he has good trade value. Now the question is...is Riccardi desparate enough to get Burnett's contract off the books, that he is willing to only accept Cedeno and a decent arm like Veal, or is he going to push his luck, and ask for Gallagher/Marshall?

 

Personally, I think a deal of Cedeno/Veal and a PTBNL is more then enough to get Burnett.

[RedFlash]

laporta is obviously the brewers' top prospect. another guy in the deal is 3B taylor green, who BA ranked as milwaukee's #17 prospect, but that seemed too low to me. this year he's posted a .298/.382/.448/.830 in the florida state league. they rate him as an "adequate" fielder.

 

drafting best player available is a shrewd move. everyone wondered what the hell the brewers were doing when they picked laporta, given the presence of braun and fielder, but look what they've turned him into. as an aside, that's another big reason why you pick wieters and not vitters last year.

 

Wieters is OPS'ing 1.024 in A+ ball at age 22

Vitters is OPS'ing .923 in A- ball at age 18.

 

I wouldn't throw in the towel on that move just yet.

 

Which is why, I believe if the Cubs hold onto Vitters this yr, and he continues to rake, he could make for an ENTICING trade bait at next yr's deadline, ala LaPorta this yr.