What is up with Todd Wellemeyer and the Cardinals?

[badnews]

How are they any good?

 

Here is my explanation, everyone but Haltz look

 

 

SORCERY

 

 

Anyway, don't the Cardinals have some crazy record in the last whatever games Wellemeyer has started or something?

 

They really do decently for having a lot of trash. They've got to come way down to earth... right? I mean, not even .500 down to earth, but below that.

[RedFlash]

How are they any good?

 

Here is my explanation, everyone but Haltz look

 

 

SORCERY

 

 

Anyway, don't the Cardinals have some crazy record in the last whatever games Wellemeyer has started or something?

 

They really do decently for having a lot of trash. They've got to come way down to earth... right? I mean, not even .500 down to earth, but below that.

 

 

I don't expect this pitching of the Cards to last all season. There's a reason that most pitchers in their rotation was available for the Cards to pick up. They're not very good. (Wainwright, excluded)

[17 Seconds]

How about Lohse? That dude hasn't given up a run in 2 starts. I can't wait until they pick up Francis Beltran.

[RedFlash]

How about Lohse? That dude hasn't given up a run in 2 starts. I can't wait until they pick up Francis Beltran.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lohseky01.shtml

 

He's basically the Cards version of Jason Marquis. Need proof:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp2.cgi?I=lohseky01:Kyle+Lohse&st=career

 

The difference, the Cubs.........wayyyyyyyyyyyyy OVERPAY for Marquis a former Cards, and the Cards paid just what for the former Cubs.

[Schwarber Fan]

It's Cardinal magic again

 

Izturis sucks too much for it to work on him though.

 

.174 BA

 

I doubt it lasts.

[Little Slide Rooter]

We better hunt down John Leicaster and Cliff Bartosh before they make aces out of them.

[nolanwood]

Small sample size; however, Duncan does work magic on pitchers. Unfortunately he'd have to work 25 hours a day to turn that trash heap rotation into something reliable for an entire season.

[RedIvyCub]

How about Lohse? That dude hasn't given up a run in 2 starts. I can't wait until they pick up Francis Beltran.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lohseky01.shtml

 

He's basically the Cards version of Jason Marquis. Need proof:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp2.cgi?I=lohseky01:Kyle+Lohse&st=career

 

The difference, the Cubs.........wayyyyyyyyyyyyy OVERPAY for Marquis a former Cards, and the Cards paid just what for the former Cubs.

 

Well they had to replace Marquis athletic abilities minus the attitude and the mouth SOMEHOW. :P

[YearofDaCubs]

Small sample size but Wellemeyer was good for the Cards last year as well.

[CuseCubFan69]

Wasn't Welly with the Rangers before that?

[Jehrico]

Duncan has a way of squeezing one or two great seasons out of mediocre pitchers. However, their arm usually falls off sometime between the 2nd and 3rd season underneath of him. Name one guy who has had extended success under Duncan that didn't end up with major arm problems. Matt Morris is the only one that I can think of off of the top of my head that was good and lasted more than a couple of years under Duncan.

[mul21]

Duncan has a way of squeezing one or two great seasons out of mediocre pitchers. However, their arm usually falls off sometime between the 2nd and 3rd season underneath of him. Name one guy who has had extended success under Duncan that didn't end up with major arm problems. Matt Morris is the only one that I can think of off of the top of my head that was good and lasted more than a couple of years under Duncan.

 

Are you saying that there's some mechanical thing he teaches that puts undue stress on a pitcher's arm? Curious because that's something I don't know much about.

 

Edit: Don't know if they apply to this or not, but Dave Stewart and Eckersley (sp?) were both good for extended periods under Duncan, I think.

Edited April 9, 2008 by mul21

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Watch it while you can. They've had some favorable opposition, as well. Wellemeyer's starts through April give him a pretty good shot at earning a few more W's.

[Tyrant]

Duncan does great with certain pitchers. However, he tries to turn every single pitcher has into a sinkerballer, regardless of their abilities. He and Anthony Reyes have had major clashes, simply because Reyes throws a four-seamer.

[beer_man]

This rotation is not supposed to make it through the season. Piniero will probably be replacing Thompson as early as next Sunday (Thompson to the BP). Mulder is supposed to be looking really good and should be the next to return...We'll see but it sounds good so far. I have not heard a firm timeframe on Clement and then Carpenter will be back in the second half. All those things will not work out I am sure but that is the plan. These guys are just supposed to keep things competetive until others are healthy. It has been fun to watch so far but there is a long way to go...

[NCCubFan]

Wasn't Welly with the Rangers before that?

No; you're probably thinking of Koronka. Welly was with Florida and Kansas City after leaving the Cubs.

[imb]

This rotation is not supposed to make it through the season. Piniero will probably be replacing Thompson as early as next Sunday (Thompson to the BP). Mulder is supposed to be looking really good and should be the next to return...We'll see but it sounds good so far. I have not heard a firm timeframe on Clement and then Carpenter will be back in the second half. All those things will not work out I am sure but that is the plan. These guys are just supposed to keep things competetive until others are healthy. It has been fun to watch so far but there is a long way to go...

 

I thought Mulder was throwing in the 70s

[Andy]

If this collection of crap Cardinals team manages to compete, my belief in the Cardinal pixie dust will be solidified.

[CubbieBum]

If this collection of crap Cardinals team manages to compete, my belief in the Cardinal pixie dust will be solidified.

 

Mine was solidified when they made Weaver a clutch playoff starting pitcher.

[RedFlash]

Wasn't Welly with the Rangers before that?

No; you're probably thinking of Koronka. Welly was with Florida and Kansas City after leaving the Cubs.

 

Or perhaps he was thinking about Jon Leicester?

[CuseCubFan69]

Wasn't Welly with the Rangers before that?

No; you're probably thinking of Koronka. Welly was with Florida and Kansas City after leaving the Cubs.

 

I forgot who Welly went too, thanks NCCF. And I think Red was right, it may have been Leicester.

 

I think it's an interesting move putting Welly back as a starter. I'll never forget his first save.

[Keener98]

I find it highly comical all the Cardinal fans who are expecting Chris Carpenter back in the 2nd half, starting, and being the Chris Carpenter of old. Its not going to happen. Maybe he will return to his former self next year, but he wont this year.

[SouthSideRyan]

This rotation is not supposed to make it through the season. Piniero will probably be replacing Thompson as early as next Sunday (Thompson to the BP). Mulder is supposed to be looking really good and should be the next to return...We'll see but it sounds good so far. I have not heard a firm timeframe on Clement and then Carpenter will be back in the second half. All those things will not work out I am sure but that is the plan. These guys are just supposed to keep things competetive until others are healthy. It has been fun to watch so far but there is a long way to go...

 

I thought Mulder was throwing in the 70s

 

But he's looking sexy doing it.

[bcl412]

I find it highly comical all the Cardinal fans who are expecting Chris Carpenter back in the 2nd half, starting, and being the Chris Carpenter of old. Its not going to happen. Maybe he will return to his former self next year, but he wont this year.

 

This thinking sounds familiar.

[bcl412]

I find it highly comical all the Cardinal fans who are expecting Chris Carpenter back in the 2nd half, starting, and being the Chris Carpenter of old. Its not going to happen. Maybe he will return to his former self next year, but he wont this year.

 

This thinking sounds familiar.