Nick Swisher to the White Sox

[cheapseats]

Pretty bad trade for the White Sox.

 

It's bad baseball to make a move that takes you from a 72-win team to a 78-win team.

 

They should be selling their veterans for players like the ones they gave up.

 

Sox fans should dislike the trade, but not for the reasons they've been expressing.

[Sterling30]

Beane's "Moneyball" draft was a good read, but the steak sure didn't match the sizzle.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Seriously, if any white sox fan is upset over this trade then they should commit ritualistic suicide. help the gene pool by taking away stupidity!! its a great move for them. i am upset, I always thought in the back of my mind that swisher would be a cub. just like thome, the sox take a player I really like, and now I must hate.

 

The guy is the second coming of Jose Valentin. Avg to bad outfielder and infielder, avg power and typical batting average numbers with an obp. He also only hits .250 against right handed pitching despite his switch-hitting capabilities, and he is terribly slow.

 

On a team with so many question marks and rotation problems, I don't see why you would give up one of the best AL pitching prospects around for an average guy like Swisher.

 

Average? His OPS+ the last two years was 125 an 127

He is 27, and has a small salaried, long term contract.

 

BTW Jose Valentine best year hitting was 116 OPS+

 

You post is what I like to call incorrect.

[nilodnayr]

Pretty bad trade for the White Sox.

 

It's bad baseball to make a move that takes you from a 72-win team to a 78-win team.

 

They should be selling their veterans for players like the ones they gave up.

 

Sox fans should dislike the trade, but not for the reasons they've been expressing.

 

While I completely agree with you regarding that with or without they aren't going to the playoffs, it wasn't like he traded those guys for a one year rental. He saw value and he got it. He'll have Swisher locked down for cheap for a while and he should gain a lot of perceived value playing in that park. KW could possibly flip him for better pitching prospects in the future. Although his Dye blunder makes that unlikely. Even with Gio and De Los Santos they aren't going to be a playoff contender. I say good trade because he got value IMO.

[Soul]

Seriously, if any white sox fan is upset over this trade then they should commit ritualistic suicide. help the gene pool by taking away stupidity!! its a great move for them. i am upset, I always thought in the back of my mind that swisher would be a cub. just like thome, the sox take a player I really like, and now I must hate.

 

The guy is the second coming of Jose Valentin. Avg to bad outfielder and infielder, avg power and typical batting average numbers with an obp. He also only hits .250 against right handed pitching despite his switch-hitting capabilities, and he is terribly slow.

 

On a team with so many question marks and rotation problems, I don't see why you would give up one of the best AL pitching prospects around for an average guy like Swisher.

 

Average? His OPS+ the last two years was 125 an 127

He is 27, and has a small salaried, long term contract.

 

BTW Jose Valentine best year hitting was 116 OPS+

 

You post is what I like to call incorrect.

 

And the supposed knowledgable White Sox fanbase is what I like to call overrated.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Seriously, if any white sox fan is upset over this trade then they should commit ritualistic suicide. help the gene pool by taking away stupidity!! its a great move for them. i am upset, I always thought in the back of my mind that swisher would be a cub. just like thome, the sox take a player I really like, and now I must hate.

 

The guy is the second coming of Jose Valentin. Avg to bad outfielder and infielder, avg power and typical batting average numbers with an obp. He also only hits .250 against right handed pitching despite his switch-hitting capabilities, and he is terribly slow.

 

On a team with so many question marks and rotation problems, I don't see why you would give up one of the best AL pitching prospects around for an average guy like Swisher.

 

Average? His OPS+ the last two years was 125 an 127

He is 27, and has a small salaried, long term contract.

 

BTW Jose Valentine best year hitting was 116 OPS+

 

You post is what I like to call incorrect.

 

And the supposed knowledgable White Sox fanbase is what I like to call overrated.

I think Mugged By Fluffy was pulling quotes from Sox fans...

[Post Count Padder]

Crap, I wanted us to be the Chigago team to get Swisher. :x

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

"Horrible! Swish cannot play CF, pitch or throw out runners stealing bases! Please KW just don't trade with Billy Beane - it's NEVER worked!"

 

Damn straight..I don't care how good my CF can hit...CAN HE THROW OUT RUNNERS STEALING BASES!?!?!?

[Backtobanks]

Wow...good trade for the Sox. I thought Swisher was unavailable for trade a month ago?

 

Just goes to show you that we shouldn't be too quick to say a player (Greene, Peralta) is unavailable. Swisher was perfect for the A's (young, cheap, high OBP, etc) and they traded him for the right package. As many posters have written........no player should be considered untouchable, it's just a matter of getting the right players in return.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Now Kenny has to figure a way to get Gio Gonzalez back just he did with the Phillies.

[cheapseats]

Pretty bad trade for the White Sox.

 

It's bad baseball to make a move that takes you from a 72-win team to a 78-win team.

 

They should be selling their veterans for players like the ones they gave up.

 

Sox fans should dislike the trade, but not for the reasons they've been expressing.

 

While I completely agree with you regarding that with or without they aren't going to the playoffs, it wasn't like he traded those guys for a one year rental. He saw value and he got it. He'll have Swisher locked down for cheap for a while and he should gain a lot of perceived value playing in that park. KW could possibly flip him for better pitching prospects in the future. Although his Dye blunder makes that unlikely. Even with Gio and De Los Santos they aren't going to be a playoff contender. I say good trade because he got value IMO.

 

I just don't see Swisher's skills aging well. He has a great contract, but he may very well begin his decline before the contract is up. We'll see.

[hawkeyecub]

Some actually think Ryan Sweeney is good!

 

Easy.

[TruffleShuffle]

i don't like sweeney all that much - looks best-suited to be a 4th outfielder to me. gio gonzalez should be pretty good, and de los santos had great peripherals this year, but is young.

 

if you're going to trade some top-level minor league talent, you'd better be getting something good back in return, and nick swisher is (despite what most sox fans think) pretty darn good. i don't have a problem with this trade from the sox' perspective.

[RammyFanny]

I wonder if Beane would be interested in Murton a little more now in a potential Blanton trade.

[KingCubsFan]

Doesn't seem like a very smart trade. How would the board react if Hendry traded arguably our top 3 prospects for an OF who has never slugged .500 in a season?

[jersey cubs fan]

Doesn't seem like a very smart trade. How would the board react if Hendry traded arguably our top 3 prospects for an OF who has never slugged .500 in a season?

 

I'm more interested in the OBP and OPS+ anyway, which suggests the guy is very good and worthy of a 3 B prospects. None of those guys was close to contributing to the White Sox. It wasn't Pie, Soto and Gallagher. It's lower level pitching prospects and a bat that hasn't done much. I wouldn't mind (as long as the team stood a reasonable chance to contend now).

[SouthSideRyan]

Whoever said he looks like he's from Alsip wins the thread.

[KingCubsFan]

Doesn't seem like a very smart trade. How would the board react if Hendry traded arguably our top 3 prospects for an OF who has never slugged .500 in a season?

 

I'm more interested in the OBP and OPS+ anyway, which suggests the guy is very good and worthy of a 3 B prospects. None of those guys was close to contributing to the White Sox. It wasn't Pie, Soto and Gallagher. It's lower level pitching prospects and a bat that hasn't done much. I wouldn't mind (as long as the team stood a reasonable chance to contend now).

Gallagher is nothing special, and Soto has had one good season. I wouldn't consider Gonzalez a B prospect, and he could have stepped into the rotation this year. The difference between the White Sox 3 and the Cubs 3 isn't as great as you make it out to be.

[apete6]

Whoever said he looks like he's from Alsip wins the thread.

 

Thank you, I'll be here all week. Seriously, though, the Sox fans should love this guy.

[danonwaveland]

KW has got to have some more moves coming. He's got to move Konerko and/or Thome and, of course, Crede, to get some help for the mound and at leadoff. He's traded what was left of a thin minor league system for someone who, without any more moves, would "improve" the Sox to finish just under .500. Unless he makes some big moves -- and perhaps even if he does -- he's going to be lost miles behind the Indians, Tigers, et. al. And Sox Park will be empty again -- except for the Cubs series. Sounds pretty good to me; keeps my relatives on the south side quiet. :D

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[nilodnayr]

Doesn't seem like a very smart trade. How would the board react if Hendry traded arguably our top 3 prospects for an OF who has never slugged .500 in a season?

 

He just gave $48M to an OF that probably wont slug over .500.

[ISUCubsFan]

Pretty bad trade for the White Sox.

 

It's bad baseball to make a move that takes you from a 72-win team to a 78-win team.

 

They should be selling their veterans for players like the ones they gave up.

 

Sox fans should dislike the trade, but not for the reasons they've been expressing.

 

While I completely agree with you regarding that with or without they aren't going to the playoffs, it wasn't like he traded those guys for a one year rental. He saw value and he got it. He'll have Swisher locked down for cheap for a while and he should gain a lot of perceived value playing in that park. KW could possibly flip him for better pitching prospects in the future. Although his Dye blunder makes that unlikely. Even with Gio and De Los Santos they aren't going to be a playoff contender. I say good trade because he got value IMO.

 

Swisher will be under a favorable contract for a while, but unless the Sox make some more moves it probably won't matter much. Right now they have a "win now" type of team in a division they can't win, and with no minor league system to speak of, they're probably in for a drop off in performance unless they spend a lot in free agency. In a vacuum I think it's a good trade for Chicago, but it's a move in a direction they shouldn't be going.

[nilodnayr]

KW has got to have some more moves coming. He's got to move Konerko and/or Thome and, of course, Crede, to get some help for the mound and at leadoff. He's traded what was left of a thin minor league system for someone who, without any more moves, would "improve" the Sox to finish just under .500. Unless he makes some big moves -- and perhaps even if he does -- he's going to be lost miles behind the Indians, Tigers, et. al. And Sox Park will be empty again -- except for the Cubs series. Sounds pretty good to me; keeps my relatives on the south side quiet. :D

 

He had his chance to trade Dye and didn't. Hes committed to his players and I'm guessing has the edict from above that they are not going to be rebuilding so soon after a WS Ring (even though thats what they should be doing). Crede is going to go before opening day for sure, but thats not going to get him much. He is doing what sooooo many teams do that they shouldn't, meander in the middle.

[RammyFanny]

Doesn't seem like a very smart trade. How would the board react if Hendry traded arguably our top 3 prospects for an OF who has never slugged .500 in a season?

 

I'm more interested in the OBP and OPS+ anyway, which suggests the guy is very good and worthy of a 3 B prospects. None of those guys was close to contributing to the White Sox. It wasn't Pie, Soto and Gallagher. It's lower level pitching prospects and a bat that hasn't done much. I wouldn't mind (as long as the team stood a reasonable chance to contend now).

Gallagher is nothing special, and Soto has had one good season. I wouldn't consider Gonzalez a B prospect, and he could have stepped into the rotation this year. The difference between the White Sox 3 and the Cubs 3 isn't as great as you make it out to be.

Not to pick on you in particular KCF, but i'm starting to get fed up with how many people say "every system has a Gallagher", "he's nothing special", etc. I'd like those people to show me this huge list of 21 year old or younger players that every team has, who put up sub 2.7 ERAs in AAA with good WHIPs, and who've put up about a solid 3.00 ERA in AA while being young for the league. We're talking about a guy who has a great mound presence, a conistent 93 mph heater, a 11 or 12-6 curveball which is a pretty good pitch that keeps hitters off balance, a tight curve (almost a slider) that projects be a plus pitch, and a changeup that will grade out as at least average.

 

If people are basing this off of last seasons random bullpen performances in blowout games, that isn't the Sean Gallagher you'll be seeing. The guy I saw in the bullpen last year through fastballs and his 12-6 curve, which is good if he keeps it down. Last year, he seemed a little nervous and left a few of those curves up, and they got hit hard. For some reason he didn't make an effort to use his other pitches (probably a little uncomfortable in his first callup at such a young age), which are possibly better than the curve he showed. I know it sounds like i'm making him out to be an ace, but i'm not. I'm just saying a pitcher like him can be very valuable. I'm not trying to compare the two's stuff, but his value will be similiar to a Joe Blantons (guy who will give you a bunch of innings and and ERA somewhere in the upper 3's). Guys like this are worth about 12 million on the FA market these days.

[sneakypower]

Beane's "Moneyball" draft was a good read, but the steak sure didn't match the sizzle.

 

Blasphemer!