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When did everyone decide to hate Theriot?? Almost every posts is how we need a new SS... I couldve sworn during the season the majority here was on The Riot bandwagon..Everyone saying " Give him a shot, play him!!" " RIOTTT" and everyone saying how he was the spark of the team...Then everything now about him is negative..Hendry loves the kid and there is probabaly no way he is looking at any other option than Theriot there..

 

Lots were clamoring for Theriot when Izturis was the other option. Theriot was a better choice than Izturis. That doesn't mean SS isn't a hole for the Cubs.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Gallagher is not going to get a fair chance to start. Both our GM and Manager have hardons for old gargage like Dempster, Marquis, and Lieber.

[David]

Gallagher is not going to get a fair chance to start. Both our GM and Manager have hardons for old gargage like Dempster, Marquis, and Lieber.

 

 

I don't really agree with that. If Gallagher is on the team, I think he'll have a legit opportunity to start ahead of Dempster/Lieber/Marquis (if he's on the team). We all know how Lou feels about Marquis, and I doubt he feels much better about Dempster starting.

[Post Count Padder]

When did everyone decide to hate Theriot?? Almost every posts is how we need a new SS... I couldve sworn during the season the majority here was on The Riot bandwagon..Everyone saying " Give him a shot, play him!!" " RIOTTT" and everyone saying how he was the spark of the team...Then everything now about him is negative..Hendry loves the kid and there is probabaly no way he is looking at any other option than Theriot there..

 

Lots were clamoring for Theriot when Izturis was the other option. Theriot was a better choice than Izturis. That doesn't mean SS isn't a hole for the Cubs.

Yeah, Riot was a much better option than Izzy. However, that doesn't exactly say how good he is. He's average at best. We could get by with him at SS, but an upgrade is entirely possible.

[CubColtPacer]

Gallagher is not going to get a fair chance to start. Both our GM and Manager have hardons for old gargage like Dempster, Marquis, and Lieber.

 

 

I don't really agree with that. If Gallagher is on the team, I think he'll have a legit opportunity to start ahead of Dempster/Lieber/Marquis (if he's on the team). We all know how Lou feels about Marquis, and I doubt he feels much better about Dempster starting.

 

I think Gallagher is going to have an uphill climb to start coming out of Spring Training. Unless Gallagher is amazing in spring training, or one of Marquis or Lieber get hurt, those two will likely start the season as the #4 and #5.

 

That doesn't mean Gallagher won't get his shot though. A few good triple A starts, a few bad starts by one of those two, and he could easily be in the rotation for a long look by June 1st.

[Soul]

When did everyone decide to hate Theriot?? Almost every posts is how we need a new SS... I couldve sworn during the season the majority here was on The Riot bandwagon..Everyone saying " Give him a shot, play him!!" " RIOTTT" and everyone saying how he was the spark of the team...Then everything now about him is negative..Hendry loves the kid and there is probabaly no way he is looking at any other option than Theriot there..

 

Lots were clamoring for Theriot when Izturis was the other option. Theriot was a better choice than Izturis. That doesn't mean SS isn't a hole for the Cubs.

Yeah, Riot was a much better option than Izzy. However, that doesn't exactly say how good he is. He's average at best. We could get by with him at SS, but an upgrade is entirely possible.

 

I don't want to get by with him.

 

I distinctly remember people wanting Theriot, but I also remember us dropping games and losing ground with Izzy @ SS, and since Theriot is better than him, I see no contradiction between wanting him then and wanting him replaced now.

 

BTW--I think folks would generally be alright with Ryan as a bench player. He can play 2B + SS in a pinch, at least give someone else a rest.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Gallagher is not going to get a fair chance to start. Both our GM and Manager have hardons for old gargage like Dempster, Marquis, and Lieber.

 

 

I don't really agree with that. If Gallagher is on the team, I think he'll have a legit opportunity to start ahead of Dempster/Lieber/Marquis (if he's on the team). We all know how Lou feels about Marquis, and I doubt he feels much better about Dempster starting.

 

Well, Gallagher may be able leapfrong Marquis, but he has an uphill battle over Dempster and Lieber. This is such a stupid organization at times. Thank goodness they were able to buy themselves out of alot of problems.

[Illini Iceman]

Gallagher is not going to get a fair chance to start. Both our GM and Manager have hardons for old gargage like Dempster, Marquis, and Lieber.

 

 

I don't really agree with that. If Gallagher is on the team, I think he'll have a legit opportunity to start ahead of Dempster/Lieber/Marquis (if he's on the team). We all know how Lou feels about Marquis, and I doubt he feels much better about Dempster starting.

 

Well, Gallagher may be able leapfrong Marquis, but he has an uphill battle over Dempster and Lieber. This is such a stupid organization at times. Thank goodness they were able to buy themselves out of alot of problems.

 

It seems like right now Gallagher is the golden boy among a lot of posters here. He seems to have pretty good minor league numbers, but I don't see anything from him that would suggest he should be given the inside track to a rotation spot. I guess I can understand people not liking Marquis, but how can it be justified that Gallagher gets considered in front of a guy like Marshall that has actually had success at the big league level? I think if Marquis or Lieber were to lose their spot the next guy in line would be Marshall, not Gallagher.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I would never suggest handing a spot to Gallagher, I'm just lamenting the uphill battle he will undoublty face for fair competition for the job.

[killthegoat06]

When did everyone decide to hate Theriot?? Almost every posts is how we need a new SS... I couldve sworn during the season the majority here was on The Riot bandwagon..Everyone saying " Give him a shot, play him!!" " RIOTTT" and everyone saying how he was the spark of the team...Then everything now about him is negative..Hendry loves the kid and there is probabaly no way he is looking at any other option than Theriot there..

 

Lots were clamoring for Theriot when Izturis was the other option. Theriot was a better choice than Izturis. That doesn't mean SS isn't a hole for the Cubs.

Yeah, Riot was a much better option than Izzy. However, that doesn't exactly say how good he is. He's average at best. We could get by with him at SS, but an upgrade is entirely possible.

 

I don't want to get by with him.

 

I distinctly remember people wanting Theriot, but I also remember us dropping games and losing ground with Izzy @ SS, and since Theriot is better than him, I see no contradiction between wanting him then and wanting him replaced now.

 

BTW--I think folks would generally be alright with Ryan as a bench player. He can play 2B + SS in a pinch, at least give someone else a rest.

I'd love Theriot as a bench player.

[Keener98]

When did everyone decide to hate Theriot?? Almost every posts is how we need a new SS... I couldve sworn during the season the majority here was on The Riot bandwagon..Everyone saying " Give him a shot, play him!!" " RIOTTT" and everyone saying how he was the spark of the team...Then everything now about him is negative..Hendry loves the kid and there is probabaly no way he is looking at any other option than Theriot there..

 

Lots were clamoring for Theriot when Izturis was the other option. Theriot was a better choice than Izturis. That doesn't mean SS isn't a hole for the Cubs.

Yeah, Riot was a much better option than Izzy. However, that doesn't exactly say how good he is. He's average at best. We could get by with him at SS, but an upgrade is entirely possible.

 

Whats funny and gets lost in the shuffle is that Theriots and Izturis's numbers on the year were pretty damn close, but yet I dont hear any of the Theriot backers saying Izturis is good. If it wasnt for Theriots 1 month, the guy was downright horrible. He had 1 good month and thats what he is getting by on, because our GM sees that instead of the rest of the season.

[RedFlash]

When did everyone decide to hate Theriot?? Almost every posts is how we need a new SS... I couldve sworn during the season the majority here was on The Riot bandwagon..Everyone saying " Give him a shot, play him!!" " RIOTTT" and everyone saying how he was the spark of the team...Then everything now about him is negative..Hendry loves the kid and there is probabaly no way he is looking at any other option than Theriot there..

 

Lots were clamoring for Theriot when Izturis was the other option. Theriot was a better choice than Izturis. That doesn't mean SS isn't a hole for the Cubs.

Yeah, Riot was a much better option than Izzy. However, that doesn't exactly say how good he is. He's average at best. We could get by with him at SS, but an upgrade is entirely possible.

 

I don't want to get by with him.

 

I distinctly remember people wanting Theriot, but I also remember us dropping games and losing ground with Izzy @ SS, and since Theriot is better than him, I see no contradiction between wanting him then and wanting him replaced now.

 

BTW--I think folks would generally be alright with Ryan as a bench player. He can play 2B + SS in a pinch, at least give someone else a rest.

I'd love Theriot as a bench player.

 

I'd love Theriot more if he leaves the Cubs, becomes Skip Bertman's choice for coach at LSU.....sorry Vance.....

[badnews]

Somebody a page or two ago said they were glad that Jim wasn't caving on giving up any big pieces "like Colvin or Veal" but Gallagher is worth more than Veal. And Jim caved on Gallagher a long time ago.

 

The problem with Gallagher is that if there's one guy who is really going to bite us in the ass on this trade it's him, and he alone isn't enough to get it done which further complicates things.

 

What I know is this - for his first two years Baseball America seemed to poo-poo Gallagher and say, yeah, his numbers are nice but "they aren't for real" though we know if Adam Miller put up Gallagher's numbers they'd be soiling themselves. They did a comp a few years back, Gaby Hernandez vs. Gallagher and concluded Gaby Hernandez was better, I think it's safe to say Gallagher has shot ahead of good 'ol Gaby. And every year we've heard reports of increased velocity and so forth... so we've got a guy who isn't valued much by the Baseball America types but keeps proving people wrong, and thus we have to sell him for less than a guy with worse numbers Baseball America says is good.

 

But Hendry is so confident in Felix Pie, he figures he has to hold onto Colvin. Why? Also, why do they mention Ceda among the untouchables? Nothing about this makes much sense.

[sneakypower]

Somebody a page or two ago said they were glad that Jim wasn't caving on giving up any big pieces "like Colvin or Veal" but Gallagher is worth more than Veal. And Jim caved on Gallagher a long time ago.

 

The problem with Gallagher is that if there's one guy who is really going to bite us in the ass on this trade it's him, and he alone isn't enough to get it done which further complicates things.

 

What I know is this - for his first two years Baseball America seemed to poo-poo Gallagher and say, yeah, his numbers are nice but "they aren't for real" though we know if Adam Miller put up Gallagher's numbers they'd be soiling themselves. They did a comp a few years back, Gaby Hernandez vs. Gallagher and concluded Gaby Hernandez was better, I think it's safe to say Gallagher has shot ahead of good 'ol Gaby. And every year we've heard reports of increased velocity and so forth... so we've got a guy who isn't valued much by the Baseball America types but keeps proving people wrong, and thus we have to sell him for less than a guy with worse numbers Baseball America says is good.

 

But Hendry is so confident in Felix Pie, he figures he has to hold onto Colvin. Why? Also, why do they mention Ceda among the untouchables? Nothing about this makes much sense.

To be fair, he's added significant velocity since then. They caught criticism for their negative press of Petit, when he was putting up stellar numbers.

[rchap24]

Somebody a page or two ago said they were glad that Jim wasn't caving on giving up any big pieces "like Colvin or Veal" but Gallagher is worth more than Veal. And Jim caved on Gallagher a long time ago.

 

The problem with Gallagher is that if there's one guy who is really going to bite us in the ass on this trade it's him, and he alone isn't enough to get it done which further complicates things.

 

What I know is this - for his first two years Baseball America seemed to poo-poo Gallagher and say, yeah, his numbers are nice but "they aren't for real" though we know if Adam Miller put up Gallagher's numbers they'd be soiling themselves. They did a comp a few years back, Gaby Hernandez vs. Gallagher and concluded Gaby Hernandez was better, I think it's safe to say Gallagher has shot ahead of good 'ol Gaby. And every year we've heard reports of increased velocity and so forth... so we've got a guy who isn't valued much by the Baseball America types but keeps proving people wrong, and thus we have to sell him for less than a guy with worse numbers Baseball America says is good.

 

But Hendry is so confident in Felix Pie, he figures he has to hold onto Colvin. Why? Also, why do they mention Ceda among the untouchables? Nothing about this makes much sense.

To be fair, he's added significant velocity since then. They caught criticism for their negative press of Petit, when he was putting up stellar numbers.

 

Yeah we are giving up something pretty good in Gallagher, but You have to give up something decent to get something decent in most trade negotiations

[badnews]

Petit had a strange delivery they could at least point to as being enough to fool minor league guys but not the advance scouts in the majors. Gallagher I don't know what they say. "Yeah, we don't believe Soto or Cedeno's (in his breakout year) numbers are for real because of Iowa, but then we don't believe a guy with good numbers pitching in that same offense-minded atmosphere either."

 

I don't know how that load works. Someone remind me, who was the 21 year old to post a 2.66 ERA, 8.19 K/9, and 1.13 WHIP at a place like Iowa in the PCL that got shafted and appeared lower on the team list than a 1 season wonder reliever with massive walks problems in a pitcher's league, and will probably end up somewhere like 80 on the Top 100 list?

 

Too bad he hasn't put up studly numbers like Ervin Santana did during his minor league career.

[Post Count Padder]

The Orioles have spoken with Steve Trachsel’s representatives about bringing the veteran back to the team.

 

The club is looking for someone to mentor the young pitchers competing for the fifth spot in the rotation, such as Troy Patton, Garrett Olson, Matt Albers and Hayden Penn. It has also spoken to Josh Fogg.

Source: The Baltimore Sun

LOL

[haubrich91]

Let's get Roberts already!

[Electron Blue]

Somebody a page or two ago said they were glad that Jim wasn't caving on giving up any big pieces "like Colvin or Veal" but Gallagher is worth more than Veal. And Jim caved on Gallagher a long time ago.

 

What do you mean? Jim hasn't done anything yet. There have enough conflicting rumors that we should have learned by now that we don't know for sure what the deal on the table is, or if there is one. So why criticize Jim before we know if he's done anything wrong?

[Backtobanks]

Somebody a page or two ago said they were glad that Jim wasn't caving on giving up any big pieces "like Colvin or Veal" but Gallagher is worth more than Veal. And Jim caved on Gallagher a long time ago.

 

What do you mean? Jim hasn't done anything yet. There have enough conflicting rumors that we should have learned by now that we don't know for sure what the deal on the table is, or if there is one. So why criticize Jim before we know if he's done anything wrong?

 

Amen! I think I posted basically the same thing about 30 pages ago. Everyone is jumping all over Hendry and nobody has a clue as to which players have been mentioned. About the only consistent name in the rumor is Gallagher with all other names (and how many) being pure speculation.

[Abe Frohman]

I'd love Theriot more if he leaves the Cubs, becomes Skip Bertman's choice for coach at LSU.....sorry Vance.....

 

Basketball coach?

[VanceJergins]

I almost think that at this point we see what we have with Gallagher in spring training. This could be a good NON-TRADE if his fast ball is in the mid-90's. For me I would rather see a kid with potential as the 5th starter rather than Dempster or Marquis. Lieber isn't a sure thing either. Just my $.02

 

Just FWIW I watched Sean throw his last bullpen before he left for AZ and he had a MLB catcher from another team catching. He was consistently Mid 90's and his offspeed pitches were there and there were a few other MLB players watching and they had nothing but good things to say. He has been working out really hard as evidenced by his dropping twenty five pounds and has been working on being ready as soon as ST opens...... ;)

 

From what I heard, he really opened some eyes in AZ last fall.

 

Yeah, at this point I'd rather just keep Gallagher. If an opportunity for a better upgrade came along (Greene) I wouldn't mind trading him, but it seems like he might be turning into something really good.

[killthegoat06]

FWIW, here's Chris Deluca's 2 cents:

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/785042,CST-SPT-deluca09.article

 

 

Roberts would give the Cubs one of the toughest lineups in the National League. Most important, his arrival would give Soriano the needed nudge out of the leadoff spot.

 

Pitcher Sean Gallagher, outfielder Matt Murton and infielder/outfielder Ronny Cedeno are the key young players mentioned most frequently in the talks. Left-hander Sean Marshall, who looks to be getting squeezed out of the Cubs' rotation, also could be included in the package. There have been reports that the Orioles' pursuit of Pie has been a sticking point.

[Soul]

FWIW, here's Chris Deluca's 2 cents:

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/785042,CST-SPT-deluca09.article

 

 

Roberts would give the Cubs one of the toughest lineups in the National League. Most important, his arrival would give Soriano the needed nudge out of the leadoff spot.

 

Pitcher Sean Gallagher, outfielder Matt Murton and infielder/outfielder Ronny Cedeno are the key young players mentioned most frequently in the talks. Left-hander Sean Marshall, who looks to be getting squeezed out of the Cubs' rotation, also could be included in the package. There have been reports that the Orioles' pursuit of Pie has been a sticking point.

 

Eh, I'm starting to agree with some others. If Gally is adding velocity, we might be better off seeing if he's our back of the rotation guy. Pitching >> luxury player.

[Outshined_One]

The Orioles have spoken with Steve Trachsel’s representatives about bringing the veteran back to the team.

 

The club is looking for someone to mentor the young pitchers competing for the fifth spot in the rotation, such as Troy Patton, Garrett Olson, Matt Albers and Hayden Penn. It has also spoken to Josh Fogg.

Source: The Baltimore Sun

LOL

 

I can't wait to trade for him again!