MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[badnews]

Sherrill doesn't sweeten any deal for me personally. I don't think it's smart to buy high on LOOGYs. I think that's a position where you just about always give up more than you get.

[C.C.]

So after 180 pages the trade was never even close...Wow!

[David]

Bruce, what are your thoughts on Crane Kenney's comments that the Cubs had already put enough on the table in two trades that he felt confident they could get done? I would assume one of those has to be Roberts, and it would contradict your statement about them never talking specifics of players in the deal (not saying your wrong, just wondering).

 

I was wondering the same thing.

 

As was I.

[Bruce Miles]

Bruce, what are your thoughts on Crane Kenney's comments that the Cubs had already put enough on the table in two trades that he felt confident they could get done? I would assume one of those has to be Roberts, and it would contradict your statement about them never talking specifics of players in the deal (not saying your wrong, just wondering).

 

I was wondering the same thing.

 

As was I.

 

The Cubs had talked in general terms of what would be available. The other teams knew which players were (and are) available, but talks, as I know of them, never got down to concrete offers that both teams could accept or refuse. In other words, MacPhail knows, the Cubs are probably willing to trade Marshall, Gallagher, Murton (the Cubs are trying hard to trade him) and maybe Cedeno. MacPhail no doubt said, "That's nice, but we'd like to see something with Pie, Colvin and/or Hill." That's how these things work. So the Cubs had and have enough (as they see it) on the table, as Crane put it, for other teams to choose from.

[craig]

Thanks, Bruce. I'd offer a package of high ceiling lower level prospects that includes players like Veal and Ceda and maybe a Murton or Patterson and tell MacPhail to take it or leave it.

 

According to an Orioles scout, Hendry originally offered a pick-3 pool of upper-level prospects, excluding Pie and Colvin. The original pool were all 40-man people. Obviously MacP hasn't liked the pool enough to make a deal thus far.

 

Both sides have veto power. MacP can say no unless Pie or Colvin gets added or unless Hendry expands it to pick-4. Hendry can say no if they demand Pie or Colvin.

 

As bruce noted, the Cubs logically can reason that O's will lose 90+ with or without Roberts, very likely next year as well as this year. So the Cubs might logically figure that MacP will want to trade as best he can. If at some point Andy figures he's not going to bluff more value out, he may go ahead an make it. Andy may figure that LouHendry really want Roberts, and often talk about being "aggressive". So he may well figure that if he stonewalls for a while, that he'll get more. That Hendry will eventually compromise, either by upgrading one of the 3 (Colvin-or-Pie instead of whomever), or else by adding a fourth prospect (of negotiable value).

 

Partly it may be a matter of reading the other guy. By many accounts Angelos and MacP may not be that motivated to trade Roberts. Maybe they'll only do it with a ridiculous offer-you-can't-refuse. If so, their trade-motivation is low, and it will be hard for us to get a deal that I'll like. By other view, Orioles are in pure rebuild mode, and Roberts contract will be up before they contend. By that view, their trade-motivation is high, and if you wait them out they should eventually settle for a less-than-ridiculous offer.

 

The flip for us. Lou says he likes the lineup and likes DeRosa; maybe our trade-motivation is modest and we won't make a deal that isn't fair. Others say our trade-motivation is huge, that LouHendry are nuts about Roberts, they want to do something, they want to be "aggressive" (= overpay at least a little). From that view, if Andy waits us out he should eventually get Hendry to settle for an enriched offer.

[UMFan83]

I don't think the team, as it stands right now is a playoff team in the Central. But that's not to say we won't make a deal midseason to improve ourselves.

[Bruce Miles]

I don't think the team, as it stands right now is a playoff team in the Central. But that's not to say we won't make a deal midseason to improve ourselves.

 

Maybe not the American League Central, but the Cubs still will be favored in the NL Central.

[17 Seconds]

I don't think the team, as it stands right now is a playoff team in the Central. But that's not to say we won't make a deal midseason to improve ourselves.

 

How do you figure they aren't a favorite? I'm not particularly stoked about this team's chances of doing anything serious in the playoffs, but I see no reason to think the brewers have done anything to get better than us.

[17 Seconds]

Bruce, what are your thoughts on Crane Kenney's comments that the Cubs had already put enough on the table in two trades that he felt confident they could get done? I would assume one of those has to be Roberts, and it would contradict your statement about them never talking specifics of players in the deal (not saying your wrong, just wondering).

 

I was wondering the same thing.

 

As was I.

 

The Cubs had talked in general terms of what would be available. The other teams knew which players were (and are) available, but talks, as I know of them, never got down to concrete offers that both teams could accept or refuse. In other words, MacPhail knows, the Cubs are probably willing to trade Marshall, Gallagher, Murton (the Cubs are trying hard to trade him) and maybe Cedeno. MacPhail no doubt said, "That's nice, but we'd like to see something with Pie, Colvin and/or Hill." That's how these things work. So the Cubs had and have enough (as they see it) on the table, as Crane put it, for other teams to choose from.

 

Bruce, let me ask you something. If you had to guess right now, would you say we make a "significant" move before opening day? By significant I mean not something like Marlon Byrd or any other platoon partner outfielder. I'm thinking more along the lines of a Roberts type player, or possible a starting pitcher. It's just weird that Hendry has continued to say that he wants to make a couple more moves and that he's not done yet, but here we are well into February and nothing has happened since the Lieber signing.

[anabiono]

and the beat goes on...

 

why don't we offer a package of gallagher, veal, patterson, and colvin...that should get it done eh?

 

i know andy likes these 5 for 1's...but...christ...this is roberts we are talking about here...

[cheapseats]

I don't think the team, as it stands right now is a playoff team in the Central. But that's not to say we won't make a deal midseason to improve ourselves.

 

How do you figure they aren't a favorite? I'm not particularly stoked about this team's chances of doing anything serious in the playoffs, but I see no reason to think the brewers have done anything to get better than us.

 

Their defense was brutal last year. Their defensive efficiency was .8 standard deviations below average. The Cubs were almost 1.5 standard deviations above average.

 

They've made a difference just by adding Cameron, moving Braun to the outfield, and moving Hall to the infield.

[17 Seconds]

I don't think the team, as it stands right now is a playoff team in the Central. But that's not to say we won't make a deal midseason to improve ourselves.

 

How do you figure they aren't a favorite? I'm not particularly stoked about this team's chances of doing anything serious in the playoffs, but I see no reason to think the brewers have done anything to get better than us.

 

Their defense was brutal last year. Their defensive efficiency was .8 standard deviations below average. The Cubs were almost 1.5 standard deviations above average.

 

They've made a difference just by adding Cameron, moving Braun to the outfield, and moving Hall to the infield.

 

Yeah, I definately don't buy the fact that since they upgraded their defense a little bit that they're the favorites. It's going to be close I'm sure, but to say "we're not a playoff team in this division" is a little silly.

[Bruce Miles]

Bruce, what are your thoughts on Crane Kenney's comments that the Cubs had already put enough on the table in two trades that he felt confident they could get done? I would assume one of those has to be Roberts, and it would contradict your statement about them never talking specifics of players in the deal (not saying your wrong, just wondering).

 

I was wondering the same thing.

 

As was I.

 

The Cubs had talked in general terms of what would be available. The other teams knew which players were (and are) available, but talks, as I know of them, never got down to concrete offers that both teams could accept or refuse. In other words, MacPhail knows, the Cubs are probably willing to trade Marshall, Gallagher, Murton (the Cubs are trying hard to trade him) and maybe Cedeno. MacPhail no doubt said, "That's nice, but we'd like to see something with Pie, Colvin and/or Hill." That's how these things work. So the Cubs had and have enough (as they see it) on the table, as Crane put it, for other teams to choose from.

 

Bruce, let me ask you something. If you had to guess right now, would you say we make a "significant" move before opening day? By significant I mean not something like Marlon Byrd or any other platoon partner outfielder. I'm thinking more along the lines of a Roberts type player, or possible a starting pitcher. It's just weird that Hendry has continued to say that he wants to make a couple more moves and that he's not done yet, but here we are well into February and nothing has happened since the Lieber signing.

 

It's tough to make a guess like that because, as I've said over and over, it takes two sides to make a deal. Hendry hasn't made a signficant deal of late because he is only half the equation with other teams. It's easy to say, "Make a deal," but you need a willing partner.

[anabiono]

Bruce, what are your thoughts on Crane Kenney's comments that the Cubs had already put enough on the table in two trades that he felt confident they could get done? I would assume one of those has to be Roberts, and it would contradict your statement about them never talking specifics of players in the deal (not saying your wrong, just wondering).

 

I was wondering the same thing.

 

As was I.

 

The Cubs had talked in general terms of what would be available. The other teams knew which players were (and are) available, but talks, as I know of them, never got down to concrete offers that both teams could accept or refuse. In other words, MacPhail knows, the Cubs are probably willing to trade Marshall, Gallagher, Murton (the Cubs are trying hard to trade him) and maybe Cedeno. MacPhail no doubt said, "That's nice, but we'd like to see something with Pie, Colvin and/or Hill." That's how these things work. So the Cubs had and have enough (as they see it) on the table, as Crane put it, for other teams to choose from.

 

Bruce, let me ask you something. If you had to guess right now, would you say we make a "significant" move before opening day? By significant I mean not something like Marlon Byrd or any other platoon partner outfielder. I'm thinking more along the lines of a Roberts type player, or possible a starting pitcher. It's just weird that Hendry has continued to say that he wants to make a couple more moves and that he's not done yet, but here we are well into February and nothing has happened since the Lieber signing.

 

It's tough to make a guess like that because, as I've said over and over, it takes two sides to make a deal. Hendry hasn't made a signficant deal of late because he is only half the equation with other teams. It's easy to say, "Make a deal," but you need a willing partner.

 

so, you're saying there is a chance! :yahoo:

[Schwarber Fan]

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[RynoRules]

I give credit to Hendry for staying the course and not giving MacPhail any of our top minor league players (Colvin, Veal, etc.) for Roberts. While I'd like to retain Murton, I don't mind trading him for Roberts. That said, Roberts is not worth a top organizational prospect. Hendry seems to understand that.

[Post Count Padder]

Cubs GM Jim Hendry plans on speaking with Orioles President Andy MacPhail about Brian Roberts before pitchers and catchers report on Wednesday.

 

Sources tell the Daily Herald that the teams haven't discussed specific players, and that it's highly unlikely the Cubs would trade Felix Pie or Tyler Colvin for Roberts. Sean Gallagher or Sean Marshall combined with another player could get the deal done, but it's possible the Orioles will drag their feet as they did with the Erik Bedard trade.

Source: The Daily Herald

[ctcf]

Cubs GM Jim Hendry plans on speaking with Orioles President Andy MacPhail about Brian Roberts before pitchers and catchers report on Wednesday.

 

Sources tell the Daily Herald that the teams haven't discussed specific players, and that it's highly unlikely the Cubs would trade Felix Pie or Tyler Colvin for Roberts. Sean Gallagher or Sean Marshall combined with another player could get the deal done, but it's possible the Orioles will drag their feet as they did with the Erik Bedard trade.

Source: The Daily Herald

 

High comedy

[Bote McBoteface]

I had a dream last night that my father was the GM of the Orioles. I asked him why no deal has been done, and he said that Angelos keeps blocking it.

 

 

That's my inside scoop. FWIW.

[anabiono]

doh..you beat me on that posting...

 

get it done jim and without giving up cedeno please...unless we want to trade marmol for jed lowrie...???

[17 Seconds]

Cubs GM Jim Hendry plans on speaking with Orioles President Andy MacPhail about Brian Roberts before pitchers and catchers report on Wednesday.

 

Sources tell the Daily Herald that the teams haven't discussed specific players, and that it's highly unlikely the Cubs would trade Felix Pie or Tyler Colvin for Roberts. Sean Gallagher or Sean Marshall combined with another player could get the deal done, but it's possible the Orioles will drag their feet as they did with the Erik Bedard trade.

Source: The Daily Herald

 

Link?

[GTAG]

I almost think that at this point we see what we have with Gallagher in spring training. This could be a good NON-TRADE if his fast ball is in the mid-90's. For me I would rather see a kid with potential as the 5th starter rather than Dempster or Marquis. Lieber isn't a sure thing either. Just my $.02

[ter]

Cubs GM Jim Hendry plans on speaking with Orioles President Andy MacPhail about Brian Roberts before pitchers and catchers report on Wednesday.

 

Sources tell the Daily Herald that the teams haven't discussed specific players, and that it's highly unlikely the Cubs would trade Felix Pie or Tyler Colvin for Roberts. Sean Gallagher or Sean Marshall combined with another player could get the deal done, but it's possible the Orioles will drag their feet as they did with the Erik Bedard trade.

Source: The Daily Herald

 

Link?

 

Ask and ye shall receive...

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=MLB

 

Contributing to the march toward 200.

[VanceJergins]

I wouldn't mind giving up Colvin. I'd rather give him up than Gallagher.

[MPC]

fwiw, bruce levine on espn1000 this morning said he "expected" brian roberts to be a cub by the end of the week.