MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[killthegoat06]

Can someone recap this thread? Thanks!

 

1. Roberts is coming to the Cubs

2. OH Insiders know all

3. OH Insiders suck

4. Roberts is NOT coming to the Cubs

5. Hendry, Steve Stone are all-knowing demi-gods who clearly understand better than anyone else how to construct a World Series winning team

6. Sori will definitely be moved down in the order if Roberts is acquired

7. The above won't happen b/c Sori sucks w/ guys on base

8. Sliding into 1st base is sound technique (proven by scientific study)

9. Continually citing Hendry, et al as true experts beyond reproach trumps all other arguments

10. Roberts MIGHT come to the Cubs

11. Putting posters on "ignore" is a godsend

12. This thread is epic potpourri...

 

I'm sure I missed plenty, but those are the highlights that stick out in my mind.....

With more 1,4, and 10 mixed in between.

[RedFlash]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

[killthegoat06]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

All of the impressions I've had is that Gallagher is the center of the deal.

[TheDude]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

In the baseball world. Using 3-year splits, do you know how many 2B have put an OPS over .800 besides Roberts? Utley, Kent, Cano, and Polanco (Hudson doesn't have the 2005 to qualify, I think from injury, but he should be there). There are other young guys without 3 years that project over .800 in 2008 such as Johnson, Uggla, and Pedroia.

 

Utley and his .900+ OPS is in a tier by himself. Then you have a 6-10 guys who might give you .800+, which should be considered plus production for that position.

 

In the baseball world a guy that gives you plus production at a position and still close enough to age 30 to be relevant has value. Whether your personal baseball beliefs include steals or not, many in the baseball world tack a 50+ steals rider onto an .800+ OPS as additional value.

 

Honestly, I don't get the problem, unless you've been playing too much PS3. 4 players is a lot only if you consider 'proven' MLB numbers in the package. 4 players is not a lot if all would qualify as unproven talent and none qualify as can't miss prospects, and in this case Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and one B prospect constitutes a package of unproven every day talent and it does not include a can't miss prospect.

[Danny82]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

I'm fairly certain that the quality of the players involved is more important than the number involved.

[RedFlash]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

I'm fairly certain that the quality of the players involved is more important than the number involved.

 

I understand that, but if two of the players are Gallagher and Ceda (two who have good value) then that makes the deal overpayment, even if you only include prospects like Veal and Cedeno, or Marshall.

 

4 players, including 2 prospects with good value, is OVERPAYMENT for Robert.

[CuseCubFan69]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

I'm fairly certain that the quality of the players involved is more important than the number involved.

 

I understand that, but if two of the players are Gallagher and Ceda (two who have good value) then that makes the deal overpayment, even if you only include prospects like Veal and Cedeno, or Marshall.

 

4 players, including 2 prospects with good value, is OVERPAYMENT for Robert.

 

Don't even kid that the Cubs will include Marshall AND Gallagher unless they have another pitcher lined up in a trade somewhere else!

[killthegoat06]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

I'm fairly certain that the quality of the players involved is more important than the number involved.

 

I understand that, but if two of the players are Gallagher and Ceda (two who have good value) then that makes the deal overpayment, even if you only include prospects like Veal and Cedeno, or Marshall.

 

4 players, including 2 prospects with good value, is OVERPAYMENT for Robert.

 

Don't even kid that the Cubs will include Marshall AND Gallagher unless they have another pitcher lined up in a trade somewhere else!

 

While I'm sure you're right, don't forget it is Jimbo we're talking about.

[JeffH]

It might be helpful to look at a 4-1 in this context.

 

First, unless Hendry does something dumb, like signing Roberts to an extension, the Cubs are going to reap two fairly high draft choices for Roberts when he departs as a free agent.

 

Those are draft choices that the Orioles won't get. It seems fair to "replace" those for the Orioles. That's two players. We can debate how valuable those guys should be.

 

Then, you're down to how much is two years of Roberts worth. Two players seems reasonable. Again, we can debate how valuable those two guys ought to be.

[Post Count Padder]

Can someone recap this thread? Thanks!

 

1. Roberts is coming to the Cubs

2. OH Insiders know all

3. OH Insiders suck

4. Roberts is NOT coming to the Cubs

5. Hendry, Steve Stone are all-knowing demi-gods who clearly understand better than anyone else how to construct a World Series winning team

6. Sori will definitely be moved down in the order if Roberts is acquired

7. The above won't happen b/c Sori sucks w/ guys on base

8. Sliding into 1st base is sound technique (proven by scientific study)

9. Continually citing Hendry, et al as true experts beyond reproach trumps all other arguments

10. Roberts MIGHT come to the Cubs

11. Putting posters on "ignore" is a godsend

12. This thread is epic potpourri...

 

I'm sure I missed plenty, but those are the highlights that stick out in my mind.....

That's pretty much what this thread has been

[Moonshot]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

In the baseball world. Using 3-year splits, do you know how many 2B have put an OPS over .800 besides Roberts? Utley, Kent, Cano, and Polanco (Hudson doesn't have the 2005 to qualify, I think from injury, but he should be there). There are other young guys without 3 years that project over .800 in 2008 such as Johnson, Uggla, and Pedroia.

 

Utley and his .900+ OPS is in a tier by himself. Then you have a 6-10 guys who might give you .800+, which should be considered plus production for that position.

 

In the baseball world a guy that gives you plus production at a position and still close enough to age 30 to be relevant has value. Whether your personal baseball beliefs include steals or not, many in the baseball world tack a 50+ steals rider onto an .800+ OPS as additional value.

 

Honestly, I don't get the problem, unless you've been playing too much PS3. 4 players is a lot only if you consider 'proven' MLB numbers in the package. 4 players is not a lot if all would qualify as unproven talent and none qualify as can't miss prospects, and in this case Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and one B prospect constitutes a package of unproven every day talent and it does not include a can't miss prospect.

 

Take out Roberts "roid" year of 2005 which his OPS was .902 and he's not in that .800 OPS club either. In fact, if you look at the last 2 years of production and we are focusing on OPS, DeRosa's avg OPS was .802, whereas Roberts' was .783.

 

I'm not going to argue how valuable Roberts is to ANY team, but I will argue just how much of an upgrade he is to THIS team. I realize that he's an incredible leadoff man, and can steal bases, which the Cubs do need, but not in a 2B. If he played SS, do what it takes to get him.

[CuseCubFan69]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

In the baseball world. Using 3-year splits, do you know how many 2B have put an OPS over .800 besides Roberts? Utley, Kent, Cano, and Polanco (Hudson doesn't have the 2005 to qualify, I think from injury, but he should be there). There are other young guys without 3 years that project over .800 in 2008 such as Johnson, Uggla, and Pedroia.

 

Utley and his .900+ OPS is in a tier by himself. Then you have a 6-10 guys who might give you .800+, which should be considered plus production for that position.

 

In the baseball world a guy that gives you plus production at a position and still close enough to age 30 to be relevant has value. Whether your personal baseball beliefs include steals or not, many in the baseball world tack a 50+ steals rider onto an .800+ OPS as additional value.

 

Honestly, I don't get the problem, unless you've been playing too much PS3. 4 players is a lot only if you consider 'proven' MLB numbers in the package. 4 players is not a lot if all would qualify as unproven talent and none qualify as can't miss prospects, and in this case Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and one B prospect constitutes a package of unproven every day talent and it does not include a can't miss prospect.

 

Take out Roberts "roid" year of 2005 which his OPS was .902 and he's not in that .800 OPS club either. In fact, if you look at the last 2 years of production and we are focusing on OPS, DeRosa's avg OPS was .802, whereas Roberts' was .783.

 

I'm not going to argue how valuable Roberts is to ANY team, but I will argue just how much of an upgrade he is to THIS team. I realize that he's an incredible leadoff man, and can steal bases, which the Cubs do need, but not in a 2B. If he played SS, do what it takes to get him.

 

Well that was a shot out of the dark....side of the moon.

 

Welcome to the forum and I agree. I would be ok with the Cubs getting more quality depth to replace DeRosa.

[TheDude]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

In the baseball world. Using 3-year splits, do you know how many 2B have put an OPS over .800 besides Roberts? Utley, Kent, Cano, and Polanco (Hudson doesn't have the 2005 to qualify, I think from injury, but he should be there). There are other young guys without 3 years that project over .800 in 2008 such as Johnson, Uggla, and Pedroia.

 

Utley and his .900+ OPS is in a tier by himself. Then you have a 6-10 guys who might give you .800+, which should be considered plus production for that position.

 

In the baseball world a guy that gives you plus production at a position and still close enough to age 30 to be relevant has value. Whether your personal baseball beliefs include steals or not, many in the baseball world tack a 50+ steals rider onto an .800+ OPS as additional value.

 

Honestly, I don't get the problem, unless you've been playing too much PS3. 4 players is a lot only if you consider 'proven' MLB numbers in the package. 4 players is not a lot if all would qualify as unproven talent and none qualify as can't miss prospects, and in this case Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and one B prospect constitutes a package of unproven every day talent and it does not include a can't miss prospect.

 

Take out Roberts "roid" year of 2005 which his OPS was .902 and he's not in that .800 OPS club either. In fact, if you look at the last 2 years of production and we are focusing on OPS, DeRosa's avg OPS was .802, whereas Roberts' was .783.

 

I'm not going to argue how valuable Roberts is to ANY team, but I will argue just how much of an upgrade he is to THIS team. I realize that he's an incredible leadoff man, and can steal bases, which the Cubs do need, but not in a 2B. If he played SS, do what it takes to get him.

First, welcome to the board. Second, the smack-down.

 

Unfortunately for you, you cannot simply choose to remove a year of player's career to suit your argument and get anywhere, especially around here. And it's a clear overstatement to say 'roid year' when Roberts name has been linked to one usage of hgh publicly. So both sides of your argument really have little relevance and don't contradict anything I previously posted.

[Backtobanks]

The latest rumors aren't 4 for 1 anymore, there more like 5 (or 6) for 2. However many players are going to the O's, it better not include any more top prospects.

[Soul]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

In the baseball world. Using 3-year splits, do you know how many 2B have put an OPS over .800 besides Roberts? Utley, Kent, Cano, and Polanco (Hudson doesn't have the 2005 to qualify, I think from injury, but he should be there). There are other young guys without 3 years that project over .800 in 2008 such as Johnson, Uggla, and Pedroia.

 

Utley and his .900+ OPS is in a tier by himself. Then you have a 6-10 guys who might give you .800+, which should be considered plus production for that position.

 

In the baseball world a guy that gives you plus production at a position and still close enough to age 30 to be relevant has value. Whether your personal baseball beliefs include steals or not, many in the baseball world tack a 50+ steals rider onto an .800+ OPS as additional value.

 

Honestly, I don't get the problem, unless you've been playing too much PS3. 4 players is a lot only if you consider 'proven' MLB numbers in the package. 4 players is not a lot if all would qualify as unproven talent and none qualify as can't miss prospects, and in this case Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and one B prospect constitutes a package of unproven every day talent and it does not include a can't miss prospect.

 

Take out Roberts "roid" year of 2005 which his OPS was .902 and he's not in that .800 OPS club either. In fact, if you look at the last 2 years of production and we are focusing on OPS, DeRosa's avg OPS was .802, whereas Roberts' was .783.

 

I'm not going to argue how valuable Roberts is to ANY team, but I will argue just how much of an upgrade he is to THIS team. I realize that he's an incredible leadoff man, and can steal bases, which the Cubs do need, but not in a 2B. If he played SS, do what it takes to get him.

First, welcome to the board. Second, the smack-down.

 

Unfortunately for you, you cannot simply choose to remove a year of player's career to suit your argument and get anywhere, especially around here. And it's a clear overstatement to say 'roid year' when Roberts name has been linked to one usage of hgh publicly. So both sides of your argument really have little relevance and don't contradict anything I previously posted.

 

Not that I disagree with your premise, but if you think Roberts only used HGH one time because that's all the Mitchell report could uncover, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[CubColtPacer]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

In the baseball world. Using 3-year splits, do you know how many 2B have put an OPS over .800 besides Roberts? Utley, Kent, Cano, and Polanco (Hudson doesn't have the 2005 to qualify, I think from injury, but he should be there). There are other young guys without 3 years that project over .800 in 2008 such as Johnson, Uggla, and Pedroia.

 

Utley and his .900+ OPS is in a tier by himself. Then you have a 6-10 guys who might give you .800+, which should be considered plus production for that position.

 

In the baseball world a guy that gives you plus production at a position and still close enough to age 30 to be relevant has value. Whether your personal baseball beliefs include steals or not, many in the baseball world tack a 50+ steals rider onto an .800+ OPS as additional value.

 

Honestly, I don't get the problem, unless you've been playing too much PS3. 4 players is a lot only if you consider 'proven' MLB numbers in the package. 4 players is not a lot if all would qualify as unproven talent and none qualify as can't miss prospects, and in this case Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and one B prospect constitutes a package of unproven every day talent and it does not include a can't miss prospect.

 

Take out Roberts "roid" year of 2005 which his OPS was .902 and he's not in that .800 OPS club either. In fact, if you look at the last 2 years of production and we are focusing on OPS, DeRosa's avg OPS was .802, whereas Roberts' was .783.

 

I'm not going to argue how valuable Roberts is to ANY team, but I will argue just how much of an upgrade he is to THIS team. I realize that he's an incredible leadoff man, and can steal bases, which the Cubs do need, but not in a 2B. If he played SS, do what it takes to get him.

First, welcome to the board. Second, the smack-down.

 

Unfortunately for you, you cannot simply choose to remove a year of player's career to suit your argument and get anywhere, especially around here. And it's a clear overstatement to say 'roid year' when Roberts name has been linked to one usage of hgh publicly. So both sides of your argument really have little relevance and don't contradict anything I previously posted.

 

Not that I disagree with your premise, but if you think Roberts only used HGH one time because that's all the Mitchell report could uncover, I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

I'll disagree with you on that (maybe again?). Why would Roberts admit in casual conversation that he used steroids, then lie about how much he used it? He either would lie about it completely, or he would tell the truth. It simply doesn't make sense that in 2004 he was willing to tell his friend, who he knew to be another steroid user, that he used steroids but then lie about the frequency.

[Peoriaman]

O's wanted Hill and Colvin. If we don't give them Hill, they will want more than 2 players.

[CuseCubFan69]

O's wanted Hill and Colvin. If we don't give them Hill, they will want more than 2 players.

 

I'm hoping that the Mariners satisfied some of their needs and they will ask for less regarding Roberts....hoping real hard.

[David]

O's wanted Hill and Colvin. If we don't give them Hill, they will want more than 2 players.

 

This guy keeps coming in here at random times and posting stuff like this as though he has some form of inside info. Does anybody know who he is?

[CuseCubFan69]

O's wanted Hill and Colvin. If we don't give them Hill, they will want more than 2 players.

 

This guy keeps coming in here at random times and posting stuff like this as though he has some form of inside info. Does anybody know who he is?

 

Crane Kenney.

[Moonshot]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

In the baseball world. Using 3-year splits, do you know how many 2B have put an OPS over .800 besides Roberts? Utley, Kent, Cano, and Polanco (Hudson doesn't have the 2005 to qualify, I think from injury, but he should be there). There are other young guys without 3 years that project over .800 in 2008 such as Johnson, Uggla, and Pedroia.

 

Utley and his .900+ OPS is in a tier by himself. Then you have a 6-10 guys who might give you .800+, which should be considered plus production for that position.

 

In the baseball world a guy that gives you plus production at a position and still close enough to age 30 to be relevant has value. Whether your personal baseball beliefs include steals or not, many in the baseball world tack a 50+ steals rider onto an .800+ OPS as additional value.

 

Honestly, I don't get the problem, unless you've been playing too much PS3. 4 players is a lot only if you consider 'proven' MLB numbers in the package. 4 players is not a lot if all would qualify as unproven talent and none qualify as can't miss prospects, and in this case Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and one B prospect constitutes a package of unproven every day talent and it does not include a can't miss prospect.

 

Take out Roberts "roid" year of 2005 which his OPS was .902 and he's not in that .800 OPS club either. In fact, if you look at the last 2 years of production and we are focusing on OPS, DeRosa's avg OPS was .802, whereas Roberts' was .783.

 

I'm not going to argue how valuable Roberts is to ANY team, but I will argue just how much of an upgrade he is to THIS team. I realize that he's an incredible leadoff man, and can steal bases, which the Cubs do need, but not in a 2B. If he played SS, do what it takes to get him.

First, welcome to the board. Second, the smack-down.

 

Unfortunately for you, you cannot simply choose to remove a year of player's career to suit your argument and get anywhere, especially around here. And it's a clear overstatement to say 'roid year' when Roberts name has been linked to one usage of hgh publicly. So both sides of your argument really have little relevance and don't contradict anything I previously posted.

 

Thanks for the welcome.

 

While I would normally agree with you as far as picking and choosing our years and sample set to form an argument, in this case, I do not. The facts are, that there is a steroid cloud over Roberts. And in the year in question, he set a career high in OPS. It's a little odd to me, that a guy has a career (to that point) high in OPS of .720, then supposedly one time (right) took steroids and his OPS for that year is .902. And since then hasn't been able to come close to that again. I believe him when he says he took it once. But I think the once is for one season. Regardless, I think that .902 is really skewing his numbers and making him look a little better than he really is, and I do believe he's a great player, but some of the O's fans believe he is a superstar and a baseball savior. I am sorry, but I don't see it.

 

It's not like Roberts hasn't lied before, does anyone else remember the article in ESPN the Magazine back then where Roberts was crediting his contact lenses as the reason for his increased averages? It was right around the time that he would have been using (or used) steroids. I'll try to find that link. Here it is.... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2134694

Edited March 4, 2008 by Moonshot

[anabiono]

O's wanted Hill and Colvin. If we don't give them Hill, they will want more than 2 players.

 

This guy keeps coming in here at random times and posting stuff like this as though he has some form of inside info. Does anybody know who he is?

 

he is sean gallagher's dad right?

[David]

O's wanted Hill and Colvin. If we don't give them Hill, they will want more than 2 players.

 

This guy keeps coming in here at random times and posting stuff like this as though he has some form of inside info. Does anybody know who he is?

 

he is sean gallagher's dad right?

 

No. That's peoriachiefs39 something or other, I'm pretty sure.

[CyHawk_Cub]

I guess it needs to be ask again:

 

In what world is Brian Roberts worth 4 players? I wouldn't give up more then 3 players for Roberts. If the Cubs have to give up 4 players, and take back Jay Payton, I would pull Gallagher from the table, IMMEDIATELY.

 

In the baseball world. Using 3-year splits, do you know how many 2B have put an OPS over .800 besides Roberts? Utley, Kent, Cano, and Polanco (Hudson doesn't have the 2005 to qualify, I think from injury, but he should be there). There are other young guys without 3 years that project over .800 in 2008 such as Johnson, Uggla, and Pedroia.

 

Utley and his .900+ OPS is in a tier by himself. Then you have a 6-10 guys who might give you .800+, which should be considered plus production for that position.

 

In the baseball world a guy that gives you plus production at a position and still close enough to age 30 to be relevant has value. Whether your personal baseball beliefs include steals or not, many in the baseball world tack a 50+ steals rider onto an .800+ OPS as additional value.

 

Honestly, I don't get the problem, unless you've been playing too much PS3. 4 players is a lot only if you consider 'proven' MLB numbers in the package. 4 players is not a lot if all would qualify as unproven talent and none qualify as can't miss prospects, and in this case Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and one B prospect constitutes a package of unproven every day talent and it does not include a can't miss prospect.

 

Take out Roberts "roid" year of 2005 which his OPS was .902 and he's not in that .800 OPS club either. In fact, if you look at the last 2 years of production and we are focusing on OPS, DeRosa's avg OPS was .802, whereas Roberts' was .783.

 

I'm not going to argue how valuable Roberts is to ANY team, but I will argue just how much of an upgrade he is to THIS team. I realize that he's an incredible leadoff man, and can steal bases, which the Cubs do need, but not in a 2B. If he played SS, do what it takes to get him.

First, welcome to the board. Second, the smack-down.

 

Unfortunately for you, you cannot simply choose to remove a year of player's career to suit your argument and get anywhere, especially around here. And it's a clear overstatement to say 'roid year' when Roberts name has been linked to one usage of hgh publicly. So both sides of your argument really have little relevance and don't contradict anything I previously posted.

 

Not that I disagree with your premise, but if you think Roberts only used HGH one time because that's all the Mitchell report could uncover, I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

I'll disagree with you on that (maybe again?). Why would Roberts admit in casual conversation that he used steroids, then lie about how much he used it? He either would lie about it completely, or he would tell the truth. It simply doesn't make sense that in 2004 he was willing to tell his friend, who he knew to be another steroid user, that he used steroids but then lie about the frequency.

 

Because he's been caught w/ his hand in the cookie jar, and pleading minimal (one-time) use would somehow be better than admitting to continual use? It's more plausible to claim "I made a mistake" if only done once (or a few times); much harder to pass scrutiny when admitting continual use... Obviously I have no clue how many times Roberts used, but I disagree w/ the statement that it's all or nothing in terms of his mea culpa...

[Derwood]

O's wanted Hill and Colvin. If we don't give them Hill, they will want more than 2 players.

 

This guy keeps coming in here at random times and posting stuff like this as though he has some form of inside info. Does anybody know who he is?

 

he is sean gallagher's dad right?

 

nope