MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[David]

Posted around an hourish ago. I don't know if he's speculating based on rumors, but he says talks with all of the Orioles are intensifing:

• The Orioles have intensified talks with several teams to trade shortstop Miguel Tejada, second baseman Brian Roberts, and left-hander Eric Bedard. The Astros and Angels are the most interested teams in Tejada.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=winter_meetings

 

Think we could work out a 3-way with the O's and Angels that ends up with Miguel in Anaheim and Roberts in chicago?

Yes. Someone posted a deal earlier that made perfect sense.

 

 

No. I'm not sure what I (or some of you guys) is missing here, but haven't Hendry and Lou made themselves perfectly clear that Theriot will, in about 99% likelihood, be our SS?

 

I'm extremely confused here in trying to figure out what your comments have to do with what you quoted. #-o

[Clem Fandango]

I'm still thinking a 3-team deal with the Cubs, Orioles, and Angels might be the way to go.

 

That'd be nice. Maybe we can swindle Brandon Wood away from the Angels somehow as well

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm still thinking a 3-team deal with the Cubs, Orioles, and Angels might be the way to go.

 

That'd be nice. Maybe we can swindle Brandon Wood away from the Angels somehow as well

 

I think that in that deal Wood would end up with the Orioles.

 

I've posted this twice (with some tweaking), but it's obvious the Orioles would want Pie in a deal from the Cubs. The Cubs aren't going to want to include Pie unless he's replaced. Some have heard Hendry would trade Pie if he could get a player like Figgins. The Angels would like Tejada for third base, hence a three-way deal.

 

Here's something that I had in mind:

 

Angels get Tejada

Cubs get Roberts and Figgins

Orioles get Pie, Brandon Wood, Marshall, Ervin Santana, Cedeno, and Murton.

 

That would be a framework, but other players might need to be involved to make it work. The Orioles might want better pitchers than Marshall and Santana. The Angels may feel they are giving away too much in Figgins, Wood, and Santana. So, some changes likely would need to be made, but the principals of Tejada to the Angels, Figgins and Robers to the Cubs, and Pie and Wood as part of the package to the Orioles could remain the same.

[pitchcs]

Posted around an hourish ago. I don't know if he's speculating based on rumors, but he says talks with all of the Orioles are intensifing:

• The Orioles have intensified talks with several teams to trade shortstop Miguel Tejada, second baseman Brian Roberts, and left-hander Eric Bedard. The Astros and Angels are the most interested teams in Tejada.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=winter_meetings

 

Think we could work out a 3-way with the O's and Angels that ends up with Miguel in Anaheim and Roberts in chicago?

Yes. Someone posted a deal earlier that made perfect sense.

 

 

No. I'm not sure what I (or some of you guys) is missing here, but haven't Hendry and Lou made themselves perfectly clear that Theriot will, in about 99% likelihood, be our SS?

 

I'm extremely confused here in trying to figure out what your comments have to do with what you quoted. #-o

 

Yeah, it was a quick catch up read and I just assummed people were still trying to figure out a way to get both Tejada AND Roberts.

[nilodnayr]

I'm still thinking a 3-team deal with the Cubs, Orioles, and Angels might be the way to go.

 

That'd be nice. Maybe we can swindle Brandon Wood away from the Angels somehow as well

 

I think that in that deal Wood would end up with the Orioles.

 

I've posted this twice (with some tweaking), but it's obvious the Orioles would want Pie in a deal from the Cubs. The Cubs aren't going to want to include Pie unless he's replaced. Some have heard Hendry would trade Pie if he could get a player like Figgins. The Angels would like Tejada for third base, hence a three-way deal.

 

Here's something that I had in mind:

 

Angels get Tejada

Cubs get Roberts and Figgins

Orioles get Pie, Brandon Wood, Marshall, Ervin Santana, Cedeno, and Murton.

 

That would be a framework, but other players might need to be involved to make it work. The Orioles might want better pitchers than Marshall and Santana. The Angels may feel they are giving away too much in Figgins, Wood, and Santana. So, some changes likely would need to be made, but the principals of Tejada to the Angels, Figgins and Robers to the Cubs, and Pie and Wood as part of the package to the Orioles could remain the same.

 

Wood, Santana, and Figgins seems like an awful lot for Tejada.

 

Each of those players is clearly better than Patton, Burke, Everett IMO.

[RammyFanny]

"We haven't failed in the people we're pursuing," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said on Thursday. "When you're targeting one or two things and they're not done, you certainly aren't pleased, but until all the avenues are exhausted, you're not disappointed.

 

"We could've taken the avenue of, in our evaluation, go a level down from players we're pursuing and we'd be done," he said. "We chose not to do that. With that comes the possibility of not getting the level down guys if you don't get the level above guys. We think that's the path we have to go."

The Cubs and Baltimore Orioles have talked about a possible deal for switch-hitting second baseman Brian Roberts, who could move into the No. 2 spot in the lineup and provide some much needed speed. Reports that the Cubs were trading Rich Hill to the Orioles for Roberts were denied by team officials.

 

"Anybody who can hit left-handed and run and play the middle of the infield, we would certainly still look into," Hendry said.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071206&content_id=2320340&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

[Clem Fandango]

Man I hate Jim Hendry. Why doesn't he just take out an ad in the classifieds? Maybe he can go to E-Harmony and find his left handed hitting speedy middle infielder. Every time he talks about it it sounds like he's looking for love, not a baseball player

[Vanilla Ice]

"Anybody who can hit left-handed and run and play the middle of the infield, we would certainly still look into," Hendry said.

 

Are you kidding me?

[dew1679666265]

"Anybody who can hit left-handed and run and play the middle of the infield, we would certainly still look into," Hendry said.

 

Are you kidding me?

 

I find this interesting in that he may be hinting that he may be interested in either bringing somebody in to compete with Theriot or let DeRosa slide over there once a 2B is acquired.

 

I've been thinking about this super sub role and realized, DeRosa could be a super sub of sorts and still play regularly at at short. For instance, if the Cubs play 6 games in a week, DeRosa could play Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday at short, Thursday in right, Friday at first and Saturday at second - those final three days, Theriot is the starter at short. Other weeks, he could play every game at short.

 

If we acquire Brian Roberts (or someone similar) that would free up DeRosa to do exactly that scenario. Now, whether that's what Hendry has in mind, I have no real idea. I just think Lou is too smart to sit DeRosa on the bench and start Theriot.

[Post Count Padder]

#-o

 

And seriously, can we get something done? The suspense of all of this is killing me.

[ctcf]

I miss Bruce :(

[Magnetic Curses]

hendry is one of those gms that falls in love with his own ability to spot good ballplayers, thinking that only grizzled scouts can spot talent, while using their natural instincts and what they know about the game.

 

what hendry forgets is that baseball logic is flawed, backwards logic, and people who are too close to the game are brainwashed by it.

 

people who have been involved in it in some way, shape, or form for years and years often get wrapped up in it--not knowing that baseball is a liar, a cheap, mesmerizing whore that will steal your wallet and stab you in the throat when you're not looking. no one knows anything about baseball because everyone thinks they know everything about baseball.

 

hendry would do a great service to himself and the team by forgetting evrything that he thinks he knows about baseball because it's invariably wrong. if baseball logic said that up was down and down was up, hendry would believe it, this how baseball works. just pull a costanza and do the opposite of instinct.

[JimSorgi]

#-o

 

And seriously, can we get something done? The suspense of all of this is killing me.

I doubt we get this done.

[Guest]

"We haven't failed in the people we're pursuing," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said on Thursday. "When you're targeting one or two things and they're not done, you certainly aren't pleased, but until all the avenues are exhausted, you're not disappointed.

 

"We could've taken the avenue of, in our evaluation, go a level down from players we're pursuing and we'd be done," he said. "We chose not to do that. With that comes the possibility of not getting the level down guys if you don't get the level above guys. We think that's the path we have to go."

The Cubs and Baltimore Orioles have talked about a possible deal for switch-hitting second baseman Brian Roberts, who could move into the No. 2 spot in the lineup and provide some much needed speed. Reports that the Cubs were trading Rich Hill to the Orioles for Roberts were denied by team officials.

 

"Anybody who can hit left-handed and run and play the middle of the infield, we would certainly still look into," Hendry said.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071206&content_id=2320340&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

btw - I believe I have been telling everyone that Soriano will still hit leadoff even if we acquire Roberts + Fukudome...

[Mizzou]

"We could've taken the avenue of, in our evaluation, go a level down from players we're pursuing and we'd be done," he said. "We chose not to do that. With that comes the possibility of not getting the level down guys if you don't get the level above guys. We think that's the path we have to go."

I like this.

[RammyFanny]

Little update from Wittenmeyer, Murton fans rejoice:

While the Fukudome and Prior sagas play out, trade talks with Andy MacPhail’s Baltimore Orioles for lefty-hitting second baseman Brian Roberts are cooling on the back burner. The rebuilding Orioles would rather move bigger ticket players such as shortstop Miguel Tejada and pitcher Erik Bedard before committing to the player package in a Roberts deal.

 

The one player that appears certain to go in a Roberts deal – unless the Cubs can’t get Fukudome and change direction altogether – is right-hander Sean Gallagher. A good position player prospect, preferably an outfielder for the O’s, also is considered a requirement for getting Roberts. Indications Thursday were that Matt Murton would not be that player.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/685090,cub120607.article

[BigbadB]

Little update from Wittenmeyer, Murton fans rejoice:

While the Fukudome and Prior sagas play out, trade talks with Andy MacPhail’s Baltimore Orioles for lefty-hitting second baseman Brian Roberts are cooling on the back burner. The rebuilding Orioles would rather move bigger ticket players such as shortstop Miguel Tejada and pitcher Erik Bedard before committing to the player package in a Roberts deal.

 

The one player that appears certain to go in a Roberts deal – unless the Cubs can’t get Fukudome and change direction altogether – is right-hander Sean Gallagher. A good position player prospect, preferably an outfielder for the O’s, also is considered a requirement for getting Roberts. Indications Thursday were that Matt Murton would not be that player.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/685090,cub120607.article

 

That's because Murton has zero trade value, thanks to this stupid administration.

[BigbadB]

people who have been involved in it in some way, shape, or form for years and years often get wrapped up in it--not knowing that baseball is a liar, a cheap, mesmerizing whore that will steal your wallet and stab you in the throat when you're not looking. no one knows anything about baseball because everyone thinks they know everything about baseball.

 

Amen.

[RammyFanny]

''Some of the things that you might like to do, maybe the other teams aren't there yet,'' Hendry said.

 

Sounds right on cue about the Orioles wanting to trade Tejada first so Angelos realizes they are rebuilding and will agree to a trade.

[nilodnayr]

Little update from Wittenmeyer, Murton fans rejoice:

While the Fukudome and Prior sagas play out, trade talks with Andy MacPhail’s Baltimore Orioles for lefty-hitting second baseman Brian Roberts are cooling on the back burner. The rebuilding Orioles would rather move bigger ticket players such as shortstop Miguel Tejada and pitcher Erik Bedard before committing to the player package in a Roberts deal.

 

The one player that appears certain to go in a Roberts deal – unless the Cubs can’t get Fukudome and change direction altogether – is right-hander Sean Gallagher. A good position player prospect, preferably an outfielder for the O’s, also is considered a requirement for getting Roberts. Indications Thursday were that Matt Murton would not be that player.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/685090,cub120607.article

 

That's because Murton has zero trade value, thanks to this stupid administration.

 

Good position player prospect? We have them?

 

Patterson

Colvin

Kroger

[DenverCubs]

tim

"We haven't failed in the people we're pursuing," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said on Thursday. "When you're targeting one or two things and they're not done, you certainly aren't pleased, but until all the avenues are exhausted, you're not disappointed.

 

"We could've taken the avenue of, in our evaluation, go a level down from players we're pursuing and we'd be done," he said. "We chose not to do that. With that comes the possibility of not getting the level down guys if you don't get the level above guys. We think that's the path we have to go."

The Cubs and Baltimore Orioles have talked about a possible deal for switch-hitting second baseman Brian Roberts, who could move into the No. 2 spot in the lineup and provide some much needed speed. Reports that the Cubs were trading Rich Hill to the Orioles for Roberts were denied by team officials.

 

"Anybody who can hit left-handed and run and play the middle of the infield, we would certainly still look into," Hendry said.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071206&content_id=2320340&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

btw - I believe I have been telling everyone that Soriano will still hit leadoff even if we acquire Roberts + Fukudome...

I hate that you are probably right...25 solo home runs is fine and all, but it leaves me wanting (I totally made that number up, but would be interested to now what the real # for Sori was)

[dew1679666265]

Little update from Wittenmeyer, Murton fans rejoice:

While the Fukudome and Prior sagas play out, trade talks with Andy MacPhail’s Baltimore Orioles for lefty-hitting second baseman Brian Roberts are cooling on the back burner. The rebuilding Orioles would rather move bigger ticket players such as shortstop Miguel Tejada and pitcher Erik Bedard before committing to the player package in a Roberts deal.

 

The one player that appears certain to go in a Roberts deal – unless the Cubs can’t get Fukudome and change direction altogether – is right-hander Sean Gallagher. A good position player prospect, preferably an outfielder for the O’s, also is considered a requirement for getting Roberts. Indications Thursday were that Matt Murton would not be that player.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/685090,cub120607.article

 

That's because Murton has zero trade value, thanks to this stupid administration.

 

Good position player prospect? We have them?

 

Patterson

Colvin

Kroger

 

I would have to think that, if you rule out Murton, that player would have to be Pie or EPatt. Since Hendry seems dead set on only trading Pie in a bigger deal, I would have to think it's Patterson.

 

I would be perfectly fine with a Gallagher + EPatt for Roberts deal. I would then hope DeRosa gets a good bit of time at short and Roberts is the everyday second baseman.

[JeffH]

Even though he's largely dismissed on this board, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Sam Fuld could be the outfielder.

[Post Count Padder]

Even though he's largely dismissed on this board, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Sam Fuld could be the outfielder.

But he's untouchable. Jeez. :roll:

[CubsInNC]

I'm still thinking a 3-team deal with the Cubs, Orioles, and Angels might be the way to go.

 

That'd be nice. Maybe we can swindle Brandon Wood away from the Angels somehow as well

 

I think that in that deal Wood would end up with the Orioles.

 

I've posted this twice (with some tweaking), but it's obvious the Orioles would want Pie in a deal from the Cubs. The Cubs aren't going to want to include Pie unless he's replaced. Some have heard Hendry would trade Pie if he could get a player like Figgins. The Angels would like Tejada for third base, hence a three-way deal.

 

Here's something that I had in mind:

 

Angels get Tejada

Cubs get Roberts and Figgins

Orioles get Pie, Brandon Wood, Marshall, Ervin Santana, Cedeno, and Murton.

 

That would be a framework, but other players might need to be involved to make it work. The Orioles might want better pitchers than Marshall and Santana. The Angels may feel they are giving away too much in Figgins, Wood, and Santana. So, some changes likely would need to be made, but the principals of Tejada to the Angels, Figgins and Robers to the Cubs, and Pie and Wood as part of the package to the Orioles could remain the same.

 

 

vance,

 

Not to bubble burst, but who would play RF on that Cubs team? We'd subtract some really small salaries, but add $6.3mil for Roberts, and $4.75mil for Figgins ($11mil). We'd have $4mil left to spend on RF, plus anything else. I'm just not convinced that DeRosa would be the solution out there. And if we trade off bad SP contracts, we'll have to send a better prospect with them to get anything back let alone not send money. And we can't afford to trade away too many SP (cheap or expensive) without getting SP back.

 

If we acquire Roberts, we have to get rid of Derosa, or be satisfied with him in RF. He's an improvement over RF based on Murton, but not by as much as the cost differential is. Roberts is $1.5mil more expensive than Derosa, worth the cost differential to me. Figgins is $4mil more expensive than Pie, and if he repeats 2007, worth it, but if not, not. And that would leave us with Theriot at SS, and no backup plan outside of Derosa (and then who in RF?). And a rotation of Z/Lilly/Hill/Marquis + Dempster/Gallagher/Hart/etc. And you'd likely have to send Prior to Anaheim for them to justify the losses.