MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[Guest]

 

K I agree with everything u said, but "2nd best CF'er in the NL" come on isnt that a little steep of a comment. He played like 40 games last year you cant make that statement right now. Even though I know he is a good fielder even made some very bad reads last year.

 

Not really, those tools are there. His range and arm are as good as anyone in the game. Every new player coming to Wrigley will misplay them.

 

I think right now, Taveras is the only one better.

 

Maybe...I wasn't thinking just Wrigley, if just Wrigley you could be right. I still think he needs to make better reads though he over runs balls alot!

 

If he overruns balls, that's not a bad thing. I'd rather have a CF'er that can overrun balls that most CF'ers can't get.

The only ball I saw him overrun in the OF last year was a ball hit to the gap that was skidding on the ground. He was at full speed and did great just getting to the ball to stop it. He couldn't slow down to retrieve the ball, but the RF was able to pick it and throw it back to prevent a run scoring from first.

[E.J.]

The more I think about this, the more I'm realizing it's stupid to be trading for Roberts when a tweak in the package gets you Tejada, which upgrades an actual need.

 

I'm guessing Tejada goes to the Angels, and there's no way we could beat the package the Angels offer. Plus, didn't Mr. Miles say the other day that Tejada was too expensive for us.

[Post Count Padder]

Levine is hating on all the ridiculous rumors

[Wrigley Rat]

Doesn't belong here, but Levine said Dempster is going to be given the chance to be the 4th or 5th starter, but if it doesn't work out he'll go back to the bullpen. Hendry wants him to start, but Piniella might prefer him in the bullpen.

[Guest]

Can we get Tyler Colvin, Jeff Samardzija, Mitch Atkins, Robert Hernandez, Josh Vitters, Josh Donaldson, Geovany Soto, and Tony Thomas involved in these trade speculations? Seriously, we're getting just about every other Cubs prospect/young player involved...

Sammy - ntc

vitters, donaldson & thomas - can't be traded yet

 

otherwise, okay!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ok...back to my 3-way trade...

 

How about:

 

Angels get Tejada

Cubs get Figgins and Roberts

Orioles get Cedeno, Pie, Marmol, Brandon Wood, and Ervin Santana.

 

Is that enough for everyone?

[E.J.]

Doesn't belong here, but Levine said Dempster is going to be given the chance to be the 4th or 5th starter, but if it doesn't work out he'll go back to the bullpen. Hendry wants him to start, but Piniella might prefer him in the bullpen.

 

Wow. You must be listening on an actual radio instead of online because you are way ahead of my feed.

[Post Count Padder]

Doesn't belong here, but Levine said Dempster is going to be given the chance to be the 4th or 5th starter, but if it doesn't work out he'll go back to the bullpen. Hendry wants him to start, but Piniella might prefer him in the bullpen.

Are you in the future or is the radio off, because I read your post at the time Levine was saying it.

[weis21]

The more I think about this, the more I'm realizing it's stupid to be trading for Roberts when a tweak in the package gets you Tejada, which upgrades an actual need.

 

exactly. plus, the cubs could have a huge hole in the OF that they may need to fill through a trade. if they trade the few valuable chips for a minor 2b upgrade, they're going to be hurting both in rf and ss.

 

Maybe it is just my optimistic side, but for Hendry to trade for Roberts, I would think that he would have to be 99.9% sure he had Fukudome in the bag before making this deal. That side has gotten me in trouble before being a cubs fan and all.

 

As for the Tejada part, I've been wondering that since this thread started. Maybe the Orioles are asking the Moon for him or maybe they are really close to dealing him to someone else like the Angels?

[Abe Frohman]

All im saying is Murton hasnt started a full year yet...yet u guys are saying Roberts isnt much better than him yet hes a multi-year all-star and probably one of the best leadoff hitters in the major leagues.

 

You are making far too much sense for this discussion.

[Derwood]

Levine just reported that Hendry has offered Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich and a conditional first round draft pick for Roberts and Tejada

[Wrigley Rat]

Doesn't belong here, but Levine said Dempster is going to be given the chance to be the 4th or 5th starter, but if it doesn't work out he'll go back to the bullpen. Hendry wants him to start, but Piniella might prefer him in the bullpen.

Are you in the future or is the radio off, because I read your post at the time Levine was saying it.

Spooky huh?

[marc_foust]

Roberts' career OPS: .760

Murton's career OPS: .820

 

Roberts just steals more.

 

Ok is it just me or does anyone who is trying to make Murton sound good only talk about his OPS from last year and try to make other players seem like just average?

Doesn't that say "Career OPS"?

All im saying is Murton hasnt started a full year yet...yet u guys are saying Roberts isnt much better than him yet hes a multi-year all-star and probably one of the best leadoff hitters in the major leagues.

 

But he is still just a second basemen. How much of an upgrade is he over Derosa? We like him but we regonize we have greater needs. Derosa(2B), Tejada(SS), Murton(RF) >>> Roberts(2b), Derosa(RF), Theriot (SS)

[mul21]

Ok...back to my 3-way trade...

 

How about:

 

Angels get Tejada

Cubs get Figgins and Roberts

Orioles get Cedeno, Pie, Marmol, Brandon Wood, and Ervin Santana.

 

Is that enough for everyone?

 

That looks to me like the Angels are giving up a bit much for what they're getting and the Cubs aren't giving up enough.

[Outshined_One]

Can we get Tyler Colvin, Jeff Samardzija, Mitch Atkins, Robert Hernandez, Josh Vitters, Josh Donaldson, Geovany Soto, and Tony Thomas involved in these trade speculations? Seriously, we're getting just about every other Cubs prospect/young player involved...

Sammy - ntc

vitters, donaldson & thomas - can't be traded yet

 

otherwise, okay!

 

Turn on your sarcasm detector. :P

 

It's basically gotten to a point where it feels like beat writers are throwing darts at names on a dartboard.

[Guest]

Roberts' career OPS: .760

Murton's career OPS: .820

 

Roberts just steals more.

 

Ok is it just me or does anyone who is trying to make Murton sound good only talk about his OPS from last year and try to make other players seem like just average?

Doesn't that say "Career OPS"?

All im saying is Murton hasnt started a full year yet...yet u guys are saying Roberts isnt much better than him yet hes a multi-year all-star and probably one of the best leadoff hitters in the major leagues.

first - careful of who you group into "you guys"

second - I guess two is "multi", but calling it such is as much an effort to be misleading as comparing OPS between Murt & Roberts while ignoring defense, position & baserunning, don't ya think?

[USSoccer]

All im saying is Murton hasnt started a full year yet...yet u guys are saying Roberts isnt much better than him yet hes a multi-year all-star and probably one of the best leadoff hitters in the major leagues.

 

You are making far too much sense for this discussion.

 

All Star Games=meaningless

Leadoff Hitter= not a position.

[Post Count Padder]

Levine says to keep your eyes on the Royals. He said they're keeping up talks over Teahen.

[rchap24]

 

K I agree with everything u said, but "2nd best CF'er in the NL" come on isnt that a little steep of a comment. He played like 40 games last year you cant make that statement right now. Even though I know he is a good fielder even made some very bad reads last year.

 

Not really, those tools are there. His range and arm are as good as anyone in the game. Every new player coming to Wrigley will misplay them.

 

I think right now, Taveras is the only one better.

 

Maybe...I wasn't thinking just Wrigley, if just Wrigley you could be right. I still think he needs to make better reads though he over runs balls alot!

 

If he overruns balls, that's not a bad thing. I'd rather have a CF'er that can overrun balls that most CF'ers can't get.

The only ball I saw him overrun in the OF last year was a ball hit to the gap that was skidding on the ground. He was at full speed and did great just getting to the ball to stop it. He couldn't slow down to retrieve the ball, but the RF was able to pick it and throw it back to prevent a run scoring from first.

K well than u obviously didn't see him overrun a bunch of balls this year and also get horrible reads on balls that should be routine to catch. don't get me wrong the guy is a good fielder and its his first year. Im just saying u guys are praising him a little to much for 40 games in the major leagues.

[VanceJergins]

All im saying is Murton hasnt started a full year yet...yet u guys are saying Roberts isnt much better than him yet hes a multi-year all-star and probably one of the best leadoff hitters in the major leagues.

 

You are making far too much sense for this discussion.

 

Yes, not the exact opposite.

[USSoccer]

Ok...back to my 3-way trade...

 

How about:

 

Angels get Tejada

Cubs get Figgins and Roberts

Orioles get Cedeno, Pie, Marmol, Brandon Wood, and Ervin Santana.

 

Is that enough for everyone?

 

I'd rather play Pie than have Figgins on the team.

[ThePenguin11]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

I must be thinking of a different Brian Roberts too, because that is one lopsided trade. He's basically Matt Murton playing 2nd.

 

That is basically a ridiculous statement.

.281 .351 .409 Roberts

.296 .365 .455 Murton

 

Sorry, a tad bit worse than Murton.

 

I disagree. Those three statistics aren't the only three you can use to make blanket judgements with. Murton is also a butcher defensively in my opinion. Plus you are comparing statistics of players who play positions with drastically different offensive positions. I don't see Murton as ever being an above average everyday outfielder. He's a nice 4th outfielder type. He doesn't project for power and I don't think he's got enough speed in the field or on the paths to make up for his warning track power.

[CubinNY]

All im saying is Murton hasnt started a full year yet...yet u guys are saying Roberts isnt much better than him yet hes a multi-year all-star and probably one of the best leadoff hitters in the major leagues.

 

You are making far too much sense for this discussion.

uh huh

[USSoccer]

 

K I agree with everything u said, but "2nd best CF'er in the NL" come on isnt that a little steep of a comment. He played like 40 games last year you cant make that statement right now. Even though I know he is a good fielder even made some very bad reads last year.

 

Not really, those tools are there. His range and arm are as good as anyone in the game. Every new player coming to Wrigley will misplay them.

 

I think right now, Taveras is the only one better.

 

Maybe...I wasn't thinking just Wrigley, if just Wrigley you could be right. I still think he needs to make better reads though he over runs balls alot!

 

If he overruns balls, that's not a bad thing. I'd rather have a CF'er that can overrun balls that most CF'ers can't get.

The only ball I saw him overrun in the OF last year was a ball hit to the gap that was skidding on the ground. He was at full speed and did great just getting to the ball to stop it. He couldn't slow down to retrieve the ball, but the RF was able to pick it and throw it back to prevent a run scoring from first.

K well than u obviously didn't see him overrun a bunch of balls this year and also get horrible reads on balls that should be routine to catch. don't get me wrong the guy is a good fielder and its his first year. Im just saying u guys are praising him a little to much for 40 games in the major leagues.

 

You do know what Ping does for a living, right?

[UK1679666180]

 

K I agree with everything u said, but "2nd best CF'er in the NL" come on isnt that a little steep of a comment. He played like 40 games last year you cant make that statement right now. Even though I know he is a good fielder even made some very bad reads last year.

 

Not really, those tools are there. His range and arm are as good as anyone in the game. Every new player coming to Wrigley will misplay them.

 

I think right now, Taveras is the only one better.

 

Maybe...I wasn't thinking just Wrigley, if just Wrigley you could be right. I still think he needs to make better reads though he over runs balls alot!

 

If he overruns balls, that's not a bad thing. I'd rather have a CF'er that can overrun balls that most CF'ers can't get.

The only ball I saw him overrun in the OF last year was a ball hit to the gap that was skidding on the ground. He was at full speed and did great just getting to the ball to stop it. He couldn't slow down to retrieve the ball, but the RF was able to pick it and throw it back to prevent a run scoring from first.

K well than u obviously didn't see him overrun a bunch of balls this year and also get horrible reads on balls that should be routine to catch. don't get me wrong the guy is a good fielder and its his first year. Im just saying u guys are praising him a little to much for 40 games in the major leagues.

 

And his career in the minors as well.