NL Exec: Watch out for Cubs in Santana Sweepstakes (Pie)

[Post Count Padder]

The Yanks think this package would get it done:

 

Johan Santana-S-Twins Nov. 29 - 10:18 pm et

 

The New York Times reports that the Yankees are sticking to an offer of Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera and at least one minor leaguer for Johan Santana.

 

The Times believes Jose Tabata could be the minor leaguer. The Twins are holding out for Phil Hughes over Kennedy. Unless the Yankees put Robinson Cano in the deal, it's hard to see them getting Santana without trading Hughes. Joba Chamberlain is completely off limits.

Source: New York Times

If the Twins want that, give them Gallagher, Pie, Marquis, and EPatt.

[Guest]

The Yanks think this package would get it done:

 

Johan Santana-S-Twins Nov. 29 - 10:18 pm et

 

The New York Times reports that the Yankees are sticking to an offer of Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera and at least one minor leaguer for Johan Santana.

 

The Times believes Jose Tabata could be the minor leaguer. The Twins are holding out for Phil Hughes over Kennedy. Unless the Yankees put Robinson Cano in the deal, it's hard to see them getting Santana without trading Hughes. Joba Chamberlain is completely off limits.

Source: New York Times

If the Twins want that, give them Gallagher, Pie, Marquis, and EPatt.

 

Including him would probably make the Twins less likely to make the deal.

[Post Count Padder]

The Yanks think this package would get it done:

 

Johan Santana-S-Twins Nov. 29 - 10:18 pm et

 

The New York Times reports that the Yankees are sticking to an offer of Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera and at least one minor leaguer for Johan Santana.

 

The Times believes Jose Tabata could be the minor leaguer. The Twins are holding out for Phil Hughes over Kennedy. Unless the Yankees put Robinson Cano in the deal, it's hard to see them getting Santana without trading Hughes. Joba Chamberlain is completely off limits.

Source: New York Times

If the Twins want that, give them Gallagher, Pie, Marquis, and EPatt.

 

Including him would probably make the Twins less likely to make the deal.

I was hoping we could slip him in there without the Twins noticing. Too bad their GM isn't as dumb as ours. Substitute Veal, and call it done.

[anabiono]

i don't think the twins will bite for anything without hughes, nor should they...

 

same thing with the red sox...they would have to give up either bucholz or ellsbury

[abuck1220]

just about every team in baseball could beat that offer. my goodness, is melky worthless.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

when are teams going to catch on that the Yankees are trying really hard to unload Melky?

[nilodnayr]

So, the word is that the BoSox are in the lead with Lester, Crisp, Lowrie, Masterson/Bowden.

 

Thats not that great of a package. Certainly not insurmountable by any team who really wants Santana. Although, considering you are acquiring him for one year at 15M. And most likely that will be wiped out by the extention you sign him to you can pretty much think of it as equivalent to a posting fee for players from Japan. I guess its not too bad, but certainly other proposed deals sound a lot better. I'd rather have Kemp and LaRoche (and no Kershaw) than the BoSox deal. Plus, how important of a piece is Crisp now that the Twins have Pirdie?

[St.Paul Cub]

So, the word is that the BoSox are in the lead with Lester, Crisp, Lowrie, Masterson/Bowden.

 

Thats not that great of a package. Certainly not insurmountable by any team who really wants Santana. Although, considering you are acquiring him for one year at 15M. And most likely that will be wiped out by the extention you sign him to you can pretty much think of it as equivalent to a posting fee for players from Japan. I guess its not too bad, but certainly other proposed deals sound a lot better. I'd rather have Kemp and LaRoche (and no Kershaw) than the BoSox deal. Plus, how important of a piece is Crisp now that the Twins have Pirdie?

 

That's the offer Minnesota news was mentioning as likely today, but I'm not sure if Masterson/Bowden were mentioned specificially.

 

They were also saying Santana's agent is looking at 6 years $150 million, so take that for what it's worth.

[Guest]

The Yankees are in for a shock if they think they can get Miggy Cabrera or Johan without parting with at least one of Hughes or Joba.

[nilodnayr]

Sounds like if the BoSox upgrade from Lester to Bucholtz or Crisp to Elsbury the Twins will call the Yanks to see if they'll upgrade from Kennedy to Hughes.

 

Even though Melky sucks, a Hughes, Melky, Jackson/Horne deal is probably better than a Lester, Elsbury, Lowry, Masterson/Bowden deal. It'd be pretty idiotic of the Twins to trade away both Garza and Santana and not get back a stud pitcher.

 

My guess is the Yanks crack. They need it more than the BoSox.

[rocket]

if the red sox or yankees get him i'll probably die of anger.

[Sammy Sofa]

if the red sox or yankees get him i'll probably die of anger.

 

It's been pretty obvious for a while now that it was only going to be either of those teams.

[questionmarkgrace]

I guess it all depends on how interested Hendry is in this thing. I think an offer of Hill, Pie, Murton or Cedeno, and Hart easily trumps the yankees, red sox and mets offers. Especially since names like Jose Reyes, Philip Hughes, Joba Chaimberlin, Jacoby Elsbury, and Clay Buchholz are off the table. Some may say that is too much too give up but Santana could win 25 games in the nation league central.

 

Is Hendry really that interested?

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd think he's interested, but I think there's just no way he has the approval to pay him beyond this last year, and I don't see this trade happening without a deal established quickly before the 2008 season starts. Santana simply wants too much, plus he has that NTC. The nebulous ownership situation with the Cubs very possibly makes them unappealing to a player like Santanatrying to get his big payday ASAP.

[muntjack]

I was suggesting packages like this a month ago and getting mocked. :cry: It's pretty obvious now (as it was then) that Santana's relationship with the Twins has soured a bit, leaving them with less pull in any negotiations.

 

The names being thrown out there as centerpieces are fairly ridiculous, though. Jon Lester has meh peripherals and cancer and Coco is a 28yr old with a career OPS < .740.

 

I think a package of Hill + Marmol + Pie is significantly better than Melky + Kennedy + Tabata or Crisp + Lester + Lowrie. Not sure I give that up, however. I'd give up any 2 prospects in place of Hill, though.

[Guest]

I was suggesting packages like this a month ago and getting mocked. :cry: It's pretty obvious now (as it was then) that Santana's relationship with the Twins has soured a bit, leaving them with less pull in any negotiations.

 

The names being thrown out there as centerpieces are fairly ridiculous, though. Jon Lester has meh peripherals and cancer and Coco is a 28yr old with a career OPS < .740.

 

I think a package of Hill + Marmol + Pie is significantly better than Melky + Kennedy + Tabata or Crisp + Lester + Lowrie. Not sure I give that up, however. I'd give up any 2 prospects in place of Hill, though.

 

I think part of it is that other teams realize that Santana isn't going to resign with the Twins after next year and aren't going to sell the farm for him when he could be a FA after next year. If there was the threat of Santana resigning with the Twins, I think the offers would be higher.

[KingCubsFan]

So, the word is that the BoSox are in the lead with Lester, Crisp, Lowrie, Masterson/Bowden.

 

Thats not that great of a package. Certainly not insurmountable by any team who really wants Santana. Although, considering you are acquiring him for one year at 15M. And most likely that will be wiped out by the extention you sign him to you can pretty much think of it as equivalent to a posting fee for players from Japan. I guess its not too bad, but certainly other proposed deals sound a lot better. I'd rather have Kemp and LaRoche (and no Kershaw) than the BoSox deal. Plus, how important of a piece is Crisp now that the Twins have Pirdie?

Pridie isn't good. He's the CF equivalent of Ryan Theriot

[abuck1220]

I was suggesting packages like this a month ago and getting mocked. :cry: It's pretty obvious now (as it was then) that Santana's relationship with the Twins has soured a bit, leaving them with less pull in any negotiations.

 

The names being thrown out there as centerpieces are fairly ridiculous, though. Jon Lester has meh peripherals and cancer and Coco is a 28yr old with a career OPS < .740.

 

I think a package of Hill + Marmol + Pie is significantly better than Melky + Kennedy + Tabata or Crisp + Lester + Lowrie. Not sure I give that up, however. I'd give up any 2 prospects in place of Hill, though.

 

that cubs' offer blows all rumored boston/ny rumors out of the water. they'd be getting two cheap, above average major leaguers in hill and marmol.

 

i wouldn't do it though. i'd have no problem with a marmol + pie type offer.

[nilodnayr]

So, the word is that the BoSox are in the lead with Lester, Crisp, Lowrie, Masterson/Bowden.

 

Thats not that great of a package. Certainly not insurmountable by any team who really wants Santana. Although, considering you are acquiring him for one year at 15M. And most likely that will be wiped out by the extention you sign him to you can pretty much think of it as equivalent to a posting fee for players from Japan. I guess its not too bad, but certainly other proposed deals sound a lot better. I'd rather have Kemp and LaRoche (and no Kershaw) than the BoSox deal. Plus, how important of a piece is Crisp now that the Twins have Pirdie?

Pridie isn't good. He's the CF equivalent of Ryan Theriot

 

Yeah, I know...thats right up the Twins alley.

[BigbadB]

6/150

 

That's why only the Red Sox and Yankees are talking to Minnesota.

 

At the same time, I'd laugh at Boston for offering Coco Crisp, Buchholz and Lowrie about as loudly as I would laugh at the Yankees package that excludes Hughes and Chamberlain.

[abuck1220]

the twins don't have to trade johan. with liriano coming back next year, they could very well go far into the playoffs (if they make it). yankee fans are acting like the twins should just take whatever they can get for him.

[javy knows my name]

Does anyone know what Ellsbury's ceiling is? What little I saw of him last season showed no hr power (though he did hit quite a few doubles in the playoffs). It seems to be that he is being greatly over-valued, and though he would get on base more, the Twins would face a pretty big dropoff power production from the center-field spot, IMO.

If Ellsbury, Lester and second-tier prospects got Santana, I wouldn't hesitate if I were the Sox. Santana, Beckett and Dice-K/Bucholz might be the best three-man rotation the world has ever seen.

[E.J.]

Does anyone know what Ellsbury's ceiling is? What little I saw of him last season showed no hr power (though he did hit quite a few doubles in the playoffs). It seems to be that he is being greatly over-valued, and though he would get on base more, the Twins would face a pretty big dropoff power production from the center-field spot, IMO.

If Ellsbury, Lester and second-tier prospects got Santana, I wouldn't hesitate if I were the Sox. Santana, Beckett and Dice-K/Bucholz might be the best three-man rotation the world has ever seen.

 

soxprospects.com

Scouting Report: Amazing athlete with a great work ethic. Ellsbury has consistently won awards for his defensive play in centerfield. He is extremely fast and knows how to run the bases (but does get picked off a little too often). Great on base ability. Gap power with the ability to leg singles into doubles and doubles into triples. Not much home run power. Projects well as a major league lead-off hitter. Doesn't slump too often because you can't turn off his blazing speed. Team leader. Lettered and excelled in five sports in high school, including football, where he could have played at a high collegiate level as a kickoff returner. However, he enjoyed baseball the most. Could stand to bulk up a little bit. Arm strength is average.

 

MLB Comparison: Kenny Lofton

[nilodnayr]

the twins don't have to trade johan. with liriano coming back next year, they could very well go far into the playoffs (if they make it). yankee fans are acting like the twins should just take whatever they can get for him.

 

but theres no way theyll make it to the playoffs

[USSoccer]

If those are the offers, we should be in this, even if it's a one year rental situation.