College Football - Championship Week

[snoodmonger]

Kansas has no shot at the title game, and I have no problem with that. Our only hope for a BCS game is if Mizzou wins, and even then, there's a chance we'll be passed over. I knew going into the Mizzou game that this would be the case, and I don't have much problem with it. The benefit of the soft schedule was that it put us in the position to get a BCS game. The drawback is, any slip-up will have a greater negative effect than it would with a tougher schedule. I will be pissed if UT is taken over us for the Cotton Bowl, though.

 

And Mizzou would be getting robbed if they get passed over for an at-large at this point.

[CuseCubFan69]

which is why it's lame that all the conferences don't have championship games

 

As I wrote to Colt...at least the Big East and PAC 10 all play each other.

 

true, but if all 6 of the BCS conferences had a championship game, then that would at least give you one "playoff" game to qualify 6 of the entrants into the BCS games.

 

I don't understand that logic though. It annoys me that Kansas and OK didn't play or Georgia and LSU. I just don't see a Champ game makes that better just because those conferences want the extra dollars and have a Champ game. It's even worse in the Big 10 when this happens, especially how Wisconsin and OSU didn't play each other and I don't understand why the Big 10 didn't add a conference game when they went with 12, same for the SEC.

[Derwood]

when the Big 10 went with 12 what? games? cuz there are only 11 teams

 

my point was that the conf. chmp. games aren't going away, so at least make it equitable among the 6 BCS conferences.

 

Georgia actually benefits from NOT playing the chmp game this year because either LSU will end up with 3 losses or UT with 4. Georgia can't lose again.

[NewUserName]

I think the Big Ten should add 2 conference games. I know they wont because than noone would play a road game ooc. Which might force Notre Dame to join the conference though. Of course this goes back to the NCAA needs to take control of scheduling if they are going to keep the BCS.

 

Also watching ESPN, a couple of their commentators were implying that the Big Ten chooses not to play a Championship game. That is not the case. You have to have 12 teams in your conference to play a championship game. The Big Ten just chooses not to add another team not named Notre Dame.

[bukie]

I don't understand that logic though. It annoys me that Kansas and OK didn't play or Georgia and LSU. I just don't see a Champ game makes that better just because those conferences want the extra dollars and have a Champ game. It's even worse in the Big 10 when this happens, especially how Wisconsin and OSU didn't play each other and I don't understand why the Big 10 didn't add a conference game when they went with 12, same for the SEC.

 

I understand your point, except that OSU did play Wisconsin and they have 11 teams. OSU missed Iowa and Indiana this year. Unless you meant last year, in which case that makes sense.

 

As for your earlier suggestion as to why a second Big East team wouldn't be considered, the answer to that is that there isn't a second Big East team in the top 14. Top 4 automatically makes it (the Kansas State rule from a few years back), a top 12 non-Big 6 school automatically makes it, after that it's top 14 teams that are considered for any remaining at-large teams. So, assuming Georgia finishes top 4, they'll go automatically. If Kansas sneaks into the top 4, they would go automatically. Missouri would get passed up if they lost and finished out of the top 4 or even in the top 4 and behind Kansas (call that one the Wisconsin rule).

[CubColtPacer]

I think the Big Ten should add 2 conference games. I know they wont because than noone would play a road game ooc. Which might force Notre Dame to join the conference though. Of course this goes back to the NCAA needs to take control of scheduling if they are going to keep the BCS.

 

Also watching ESPN, a couple of their commentators were implying that the Big Ten chooses not to play a Championship game. That is not the case. You have to have 12 teams in your conference to play a championship game. The Big Ten just chooses not to add another team not named Notre Dame.

 

Well, the options for the Big 10 on adding another team are limited. They are looking for a good academic school that also would have competitive athletics. I've heard names like Pitt, Rutgers, and Missouri thrown around, but the question becomes why would any of those schools want to jump conferences? There's simply no school that fits the Big 10 well enough that would probably be willing to join right now.

[Mephistopheles]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

I still don't see how the SEC is leading though. Exactly who have they beaten OOC? VTech was a good win but what I think is ironic is that in Basketball Syracuse gets ripped for playing a lot of games at home but in football the SEC does it and gets a pass.

 

LSU beat VT

UGA killed OkSU

Florida killed FSU

Auburn over KSU

An average SEC team (SC) pretty much tied 9-3 ACC Clemson

 

You don't just look who they beat, you look at who they lost to as well. The SEC had one loss to a non BCS conference team (Alabama to Monroe). The Pac 10 had 4. The Big Ten had 5. The Big East had 3. The Big XII had 5. The ACC had 3ish.* You also look at how well they played (Score). And running up the score should matter some (obviously not completely).

 

 

*going into this week.

 

The non BCS teams the BE lost to were Louisville to Utah, Pitt to Navy and Syracuse to Miami (Oh), those are solid programs. Also, I don't know about the other BCS conferences but the BE plays a lot of home and homes which we both know the SEC did not do this year.

 

Did I complain about the BE? With Dixon out the BE is probably the #2 conference. I happened to have USF in the top fifteen. They're unranked.

[Derwood]

the best scenario would be:

 

- all 6 BCS conferences expand to 12 teams

- all play 12 game schedules, with 10 conf games, a home/away non-con, and one bye week

- all have title games

- NCAA controls scheduling, pairing up BCS conferences for two year, home/home series based on previous year's rank in the conferences (e.g., if next year began the two-years of SEC vs. Big 10, the schedule would have OSU play LSU in a home/home, UGA play UofI, etc.)

[CuseCubFan69]

when the Big 10 went with 12 what? games? cuz there are only 11 teams

 

my point was that the conf. chmp. games aren't going away, so at least make it equitable among the 6 BCS conferences.

 

Georgia actually benefits from NOT playing the chmp game this year because either LSU will end up with 3 losses or UT with 4. Georgia can't lose again.

 

I know they're are not going away but I don't want to cheapen the first place winner of a conference. It would be one thing if each team was 11-1 or even 12-0 as that could happen in the Champ Game Conferences. A 3-5 loss team winning that game while not playing all the teams is just wrong to me. Also, what it does is get another team from that conference to be able to go. Tenn wins and there is no doubt Georgia and maybe another SEC team will go. When Kansas St won the Big 12 with 3 or 4 losses that made it so the Big 12 got 2 teams in since it was OK's only loss.

[CuseCubFan69]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

I still don't see how the SEC is leading though. Exactly who have they beaten OOC? VTech was a good win but what I think is ironic is that in Basketball Syracuse gets ripped for playing a lot of games at home but in football the SEC does it and gets a pass.

 

LSU beat VT

UGA killed OkSU

Florida killed FSU

Auburn over KSU

An average SEC team (SC) pretty much tied 9-3 ACC Clemson

 

You don't just look who they beat, you look at who they lost to as well. The SEC had one loss to a non BCS conference team (Alabama to Monroe). The Pac 10 had 4. The Big Ten had 5. The Big East had 3. The Big XII had 5. The ACC had 3ish.* You also look at how well they played (Score). And running up the score should matter some (obviously not completely).

 

 

*going into this week.

 

The non BCS teams the BE lost to were Louisville to Utah, Pitt to Navy and Syracuse to Miami (Oh), those are solid programs. Also, I don't know about the other BCS conferences but the BE plays a lot of home and homes which we both know the SEC did not do this year.

 

Did I complain about the BE? With Dixon out the BE is probably the #2 conference. I happened to have USF in the top fifteen. They're unranked.

 

No because you can't and USF deserves to be in the top 15 unlike the coaches that can't stop thinking about that 3 game losing streak and their love for name schools. You have been looking at the whole picture. I just wanted to mention who the BE lost too as well and the quality of the teams. I agree that Dixon being out killed Oregon and hurt the PAC 10 and as I said earlier, the differences between the conferences is very slight this year.

[NewUserName]

I think the Big Ten should add 2 conference games. I know they wont because than noone would play a road game ooc. Which might force Notre Dame to join the conference though. Of course this goes back to the NCAA needs to take control of scheduling if they are going to keep the BCS.

 

Also watching ESPN, a couple of their commentators were implying that the Big Ten chooses not to play a Championship game. That is not the case. You have to have 12 teams in your conference to play a championship game. The Big Ten just chooses not to add another team not named Notre Dame.

 

Well, the options for the Big 10 on adding another team are limited. They are looking for a good academic school that also would have competitive athletics. I've heard names like Pitt, Rutgers, and Missouri thrown around, but the question becomes why would any of those schools want to jump conferences? There's simply no school that fits the Big 10 well enough that would probably be willing to join right now.

 

 

I dont think they are wrong for not adding another school. If the only reason they would do it is so they could have a conference championship game in football, Its a bad idea. I just didnt like how it was implied that the Big Ten chooses not to play a championship game.

Which is not the truth. Personally I think the Big Ten shouldnt raid other conferences. If a school leaves thats fine.

[Mephistopheles]

Just add Notre Dame and be done with it. Notre Dame should not be in the Big East.

[CuseCubFan69]

the best scenario would be:

 

- all 6 BCS conferences expand to 12 teams

- all play 12 game schedules, with 10 conf games, a home/away non-con, and one bye week

- all have title games

- NCAA controls scheduling, pairing up BCS conferences for two year, home/home series based on previous year's rank in the conferences (e.g., if next year began the two-years of SEC vs. Big 10, the schedule would have OSU play LSU in a home/home, UGA play UofI, etc.)

 

You have a better chance of winning the Lottery every year than that happening. Besides, I rather see a split of conferences playing each other. I don't like the one whole conference against the other thing. We have enough of that in the bowls which should be teams of equal strength not these stupid bowl alliances thing. Really, if UCLA wins it'll be a UCLA vs OSU (if WV and Mizzou win)? Yuck. If things stayed the same rank wise it would be OSU vs Georgia which would be so much better.

[Mephistopheles]

No because you can't and USF deserves to be in the top 15 unlike the coaches that can't stop thinking about that 3 game losing streak and their love for name schools. You have been looking at the whole picture. I just wanted to mention who the BE lost too as well and the quality of the teams. I agree that Dixon being out killed Oregon and hurt the PAC 10 and as I said earlier, the differences between the conferences is very slight this year.

 

Yet I've been constantly called an SEC homer who only follows the SEC and Florida and wouldn't know that Mizzou beat the Illini this season because they're not SEC teams (not by you though iirc).

[CubColtPacer]

Just add Notre Dame and be done with it. Notre Dame should not be in the Big East.

 

The Big 10 would love that, but Notre Dame isn't joining a football conference anytime soon. It just isn't feasible for them, and I doubt the Big 10 will ever accept them in the same deal that the Big East is currently giving ND.

Edited November 26, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[CuseCubFan69]

Just add Notre Dame and be done with it. Notre Dame should not be in the Big East.

 

And Penn State shouldn't be in the Big 10.

[Mephistopheles]

The conference map for the Big East is hilarious.

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Big_East-USA-states.PNG/800px-Big_East-USA-states.PNG

[fiver]

So, BCS bowl picture:

 

- Championship game: Simply put, if Missouri and WV win, they are in the championship game. If one of them lose, Ohio State is in the championship game. If both lose, all hell breaks loose. Ohio State will play somebody, and it'll basically be whoever the voters decide. Georgia is currently 4th, but aren't playing in their own conference championship game. Kansas is 5th, with the same dilemma. So, I would imagine the most likely participants would be Virginia Tech, LSU or USC, if they win. However, should all those teams lose (we're talking WVU, Missouri, Virginia Tech, LSU AND USC), the voters may actually jump Oklahoma all the way into the championship game. If they don't, all kinds of problems would be created with a game involving Georgia or Kansas.

 

At this point, though, if everything goes according to form, the only team with a semi-legitimate gripe at not having a shot at the championship would be OSU.

 

- BCS teams overall:

 

Auto bids:

- Ohio State

- West Virginia

- Virginia Tech/BC winner

- Missouri/Oklahoma winner

- USC if they win, USC/ASU/UCLA if they lose

- LSU/Tennessee winner

 

Up for grabs:

1. Georgia, since they will likely stay in the top 4 no matter which scenario plays out

2. Hawaii if they win will get an automatic bid (since they will stay in the top 12)

3. Kansas if they somehow sneak into the top 4 (I could see Missouri losing and staying ahead of Kansas, and still having one of the other conf. championship winners jumping both of them)

4. Take your pick of Arizona State, Illinois, or a favored BCS championship loser (Missouri, Virginia Tech, USC)

 

I do agree, though, that if Ohio State sneaks into the BCS championship and Illinois sneaks into the top 14 of the BCS, the Rose Bowl will likely take Illinois.

 

Teams do not have to win their conference to play for the national championship. See Oklahoma several years ago.

Edited November 26, 2007 by fiver

[Derwood]

Just add Notre Dame and be done with it. Notre Dame should not be in the Big East.

 

And Penn State shouldn't be in the Big 10.

 

because they should be in the Big East instead?

[CuseCubFan69]

So, BCS bowl picture:

 

- Championship game: Simply put, if Missouri and WV win, they are in the championship game. If one of them lose, Ohio State is in the championship game. If both lose, all hell breaks loose. Ohio State will play somebody, and it'll basically be whoever the voters decide. Georgia is currently 4th, but aren't playing in their own conference championship game. Kansas is 5th, with the same dilemma. So, I would imagine the most likely participants would be Virginia Tech, LSU or USC, if they win. However, should all those teams lose (we're talking WVU, Missouri, Virginia Tech, LSU AND USC), the voters may actually jump Oklahoma all the way into the championship game. If they don't, all kinds of problems would be created with a game involving Georgia or Kansas.

 

At this point, though, if everything goes according to form, the only team with a semi-legitimate gripe at not having a shot at the championship would be OSU.

 

- BCS teams overall:

 

Auto bids:

- Ohio State

- West Virginia

- Virginia Tech/BC winner

- Missouri/Oklahoma winner

- USC if they win, USC/ASU/UCLA if they lose

- LSU/Tennessee winner

 

Up for grabs:

1. Georgia, since they will likely stay in the top 4 no matter which scenario plays out

2. Hawaii if they win will get an automatic bid (since they will stay in the top 12)

3. Kansas if they somehow sneak into the top 4 (I could see Missouri losing and staying ahead of Kansas, and still having one of the other conf. championship winners jumping both of them)

4. Take your pick of Arizona State, Illinois, or a favored BCS championship loser (Missouri, Virginia Tech, USC)

 

I do agree, though, that if Ohio State sneaks into the BCS championship and Illinois sneaks into the top 14 of the BCS, the Rose Bowl will likely take Illinois.

 

Teams do not have to win their conference to play for the national championship. See Oklahoma several years ago.

 

It was OK? I thought it was Nebraska but you're probably right. If Georgia played LSU I'd have less of an issue with it but they didn't.

[NewUserName]

Just add Notre Dame and be done with it. Notre Dame should not be in the Big East.

 

I think there are 2 major stumbling blocks. The NBC TV package and some joint academic stuff that may be against Notre Dame's beliefs. I think the Big Ten would take them in a heartbeat, but they want to TV money shared. I am sure the academic stuff could be worked out if the NBC thing got worked out.

[Mephistopheles]

So, BCS bowl picture:

 

- Championship game: Simply put, if Missouri and WV win, they are in the championship game. If one of them lose, Ohio State is in the championship game. If both lose, all hell breaks loose. Ohio State will play somebody, and it'll basically be whoever the voters decide. Georgia is currently 4th, but aren't playing in their own conference championship game. Kansas is 5th, with the same dilemma. So, I would imagine the most likely participants would be Virginia Tech, LSU or USC, if they win. However, should all those teams lose (we're talking WVU, Missouri, Virginia Tech, LSU AND USC), the voters may actually jump Oklahoma all the way into the championship game. If they don't, all kinds of problems would be created with a game involving Georgia or Kansas.

 

At this point, though, if everything goes according to form, the only team with a semi-legitimate gripe at not having a shot at the championship would be OSU.

 

- BCS teams overall:

 

Auto bids:

- Ohio State

- West Virginia

- Virginia Tech/BC winner

- Missouri/Oklahoma winner

- USC if they win, USC/ASU/UCLA if they lose

- LSU/Tennessee winner

 

Up for grabs:

1. Georgia, since they will likely stay in the top 4 no matter which scenario plays out

2. Hawaii if they win will get an automatic bid (since they will stay in the top 12)

3. Kansas if they somehow sneak into the top 4 (I could see Missouri losing and staying ahead of Kansas, and still having one of the other conf. championship winners jumping both of them)

4. Take your pick of Arizona State, Illinois, or a favored BCS championship loser (Missouri, Virginia Tech, USC)

 

I do agree, though, that if Ohio State sneaks into the BCS championship and Illinois sneaks into the top 14 of the BCS, the Rose Bowl will likely take Illinois.

 

Teams do not have to win their conference to play for the national championship. See Oklahoma several years ago.

 

It was OK? I thought it was Nebraska but you're probably right. If Georgia played LSU I'd have less of an issue with it but they didn't.

 

It was both. And it was almost Michigan last year.

[CuseCubFan69]

Just add Notre Dame and be done with it. Notre Dame should not be in the Big East.

 

And Penn State shouldn't be in the Big 10.

 

because they should be in the Big East instead?

 

If you're using the same logic that ND belongs in the Big 10...yes.

[Derwood]

Just add Notre Dame and be done with it. Notre Dame should not be in the Big East.

 

I think there are 2 major stumbling blocks. The NBC TV package and some joint academic stuff that may be against Notre Dame's beliefs. I think the Big Ten would take them in a heartbeat, but they want to TV money shared. I am sure the academic stuff could be worked out if the NBC thing got worked out.

 

there is zero financial incentive for ND to join a conference. PSU only joined because they needed a conference to prop up the 26 non-football sports programs

[CubColtPacer]

So, BCS bowl picture:

 

- Championship game: Simply put, if Missouri and WV win, they are in the championship game. If one of them lose, Ohio State is in the championship game. If both lose, all hell breaks loose. Ohio State will play somebody, and it'll basically be whoever the voters decide. Georgia is currently 4th, but aren't playing in their own conference championship game. Kansas is 5th, with the same dilemma. So, I would imagine the most likely participants would be Virginia Tech, LSU or USC, if they win. However, should all those teams lose (we're talking WVU, Missouri, Virginia Tech, LSU AND USC), the voters may actually jump Oklahoma all the way into the championship game. If they don't, all kinds of problems would be created with a game involving Georgia or Kansas.

 

At this point, though, if everything goes according to form, the only team with a semi-legitimate gripe at not having a shot at the championship would be OSU.

 

- BCS teams overall:

 

Auto bids:

- Ohio State

- West Virginia

- Virginia Tech/BC winner

- Missouri/Oklahoma winner

- USC if they win, USC/ASU/UCLA if they lose

- LSU/Tennessee winner

 

Up for grabs:

1. Georgia, since they will likely stay in the top 4 no matter which scenario plays out

2. Hawaii if they win will get an automatic bid (since they will stay in the top 12)

3. Kansas if they somehow sneak into the top 4 (I could see Missouri losing and staying ahead of Kansas, and still having one of the other conf. championship winners jumping both of them)

4. Take your pick of Arizona State, Illinois, or a favored BCS championship loser (Missouri, Virginia Tech, USC)

 

I do agree, though, that if Ohio State sneaks into the BCS championship and Illinois sneaks into the top 14 of the BCS, the Rose Bowl will likely take Illinois.

 

Teams do not have to win their conference to play for the national championship. See Oklahoma several years ago.

 

It was OK? I thought it was Nebraska but you're probably right. If Georgia played LSU I'd have less of an issue with it but they didn't.

 

It was both Nebraska (in 2001) and Oklahoma (in 2003). Nebraska didn't even play in the conference title game, and Oklahoma lost their title game.