College Football - Championship Week

[Butterscup1679666578]

Wow, talk about a 180 on Pinkel. I don't think there was a Mizzou fan on here that didn't hate him last year.

 

And a college football tourney with CMU and Troy in it is a joke.

 

I didn't hate him last year. I wasn't keen on him two years ago, my freshman year, but he's really grown as a coach since last year. I'm glad the AD stuck with him, it would've been very easy to fire him after 04 and 05.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Here's an interesting article about a playoff. Not all his points are super sound, but it's a good read nonetheless. Link

 

*****Wet Blanket Alert*****

 

The most important thing is for these kids to get a good education. Something like this wouldn't help.

 

 

How would it hurt?

 

 

More games, less study time.

 

Don't worry, the professors would give them plenty of help.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Here's an interesting article about a playoff. Not all his points are super sound, but it's a good read nonetheless. Link

 

*****Wet Blanket Alert*****

 

The most important thing is for these kids to get a good education. Something like this wouldn't help.

 

 

How would it hurt?

 

 

More games, less study time.

 

Bowl eligible teams practice all the way until there bowl games. Taking away a couple saturdays(which everyone knows college athletes use to cram for their exams....) isn't going to have a negative impact.

[Mephistopheles]

most college football players don't pass their finals either. the professors just pass them because they play football. So study time is irrelevant. Sad but true.

[SouthSideRyan]

most college football players don't pass their finals either. the professors just pass them because they play football. So study time is irrelevant. Sad but true.

 

That's a pretty insulting broad brush you're painting with about the nation's professors.

[Guest]

Mizzou fans, Pinkel is one of the names that have been mentioned as a potential successor to Dorrell (he's a former Pac-10 guy).

 

ESPN[/url]"]The buzz here in Los Angeles is that if Karl Dorrell's team doesn't upset arch-rival USC on Saturday, the Bruins head coach will be fired shortly thereafter.

 

They aren't beating USC on Saturday. I can only hope Feldman knows what he's talking about.

[Guest]

I've heard the 'automatic berth for every single conference, even the non-BCS ones' argument and I think it's a horrible idea. I'm all for letting them play their way in like they do in the BCS but to give the winner of the Sun Belt an automatic bid is stupid.

 

Do you have a problem with every conference tourney winner making the Tourney in basketball?

 

No because it's different in basketball. The lower seeded teams, with the exception of the No. 16 seeds, all have a chance to win in the tournament and it's usually not one specific conference that gets a 16 seed every year. The Sun Belt is the laughing stock of I-A football year in and year out. They're always the worst conference so why should they get an automatic bid? Not to mention the huge talent gap there is between the BCS conferences and small conferences in football and the same conferences (I'm talking about small conferences not one like the Missouri Valley) in basketball. This year has seen more parity in college football than ever before but that mostly pertains to the BCS conferences (obviously App. State over Michigan is an exception).

 

Just as an example, the top teams in the Sun Belt, MAC, and C-USA are Troy, Central Michigan/Miami (OH), and UCF. Here is what those teams have done this year:

 

Troy: Lost at Arkansas 46-26, lost at Florida 59-31, lost at Georgia 44-34 and beat Oklahoma State (5th Big 12 South) at home 41-23.

Central Michigan: Lost at home to I-AA North Dakota State 44-14, lost at Kansas 52-7, lost at Purdue (9th Big 10) 45-22, lost at Clemson 70-14.

Miami (OH): Gave Minnesota (last Big 10) it's only win 41-35, lost at home to Cincinnati 47-10, lost at Colorado 42-0, beat Syracuse at home 17-14.

UCF (which probably has the best case out of these teams): beat North Carolina State on the road (last, ACC Atl) 25-23, lost at home to Texas 35-32, lost at South Florida 64-12.

 

I don't know about you, but I don't really want to see first round games featuring any of these teams. Like I said, you want to set a provision so any non-BCS team in the top whatever-you-want-it-to-be get an automatic bid to accommodate 2007 Hawaii, 2006 Boise State, 2004 Utah, go right ahead, I'm all for it. But to just give them all automatic berths regardless of their record is a waste of a spot. By the same token, to give a 2005 Florida State and 2004 Pittsburgh automatic berths simply for winning their conferences is also a waste.

[Guest]

I've heard the 'automatic berth for every single conference, even the non-BCS ones' argument and I think it's a horrible idea. I'm all for letting them play their way in like they do in the BCS but to give the winner of the Sun Belt an automatic bid is stupid.

 

That being said, I think any more than a 4 team playoff is a bad idea anyway.

How does a 4 team playoff really solve the problem? While there may be one or two teams clearly deserving of being in it, there will probably be just as much of a debate about another 4 teams that are nearly equally deserving of the other 2 spots. Is that enough of an improvement to change the current system for?

 

Not that an 8 or 16 team playoff doesn't have its problems.

 

A four-team playoff gives provides the playoff system that everybody seems to want yet it keeps the regular season as important as it is now and doesn't devalue it - which an 8 team playoff starts to and a 16 team playoff does.

[cubweiser03]

IF Missouri loses this week this is what i think happens.

 

Rose:

Georgia/USC-Why would the Rose pass on the #3 team to a #14 B10 team? They have the first pick because they lost the Big Ten and WV doesnt have any conference bowl in ties.

 

Orange:

ACC/Florida

 

Fiesta

OU/Hawaii

 

Sugar

SEC/Mizz

 

Now if Rose takes Illinios, Georgia goes to the Orange and Mizz still goes to Sugar. Mizzou is going to a BCS bowl.

[Derwood]

I've heard the 'automatic berth for every single conference, even the non-BCS ones' argument and I think it's a horrible idea. I'm all for letting them play their way in like they do in the BCS but to give the winner of the Sun Belt an automatic bid is stupid.

 

Do you have a problem with every conference tourney winner making the Tourney in basketball?

 

No because it's different in basketball. The lower seeded teams, with the exception of the No. 16 seeds, all have a chance to win in the tournament and it's usually not one specific conference that gets a 16 seed every year. The Sun Belt is the laughing stock of I-A football year in and year out. They're always the worst conference so why should they get an automatic bid? Not to mention the huge talent gap there is between the BCS conferences and small conferences in football and the same conferences (I'm talking about small conferences not one like the Missouri Valley) in basketball. This year has seen more parity in college football than ever before but that mostly pertains to the BCS conferences (obviously App. State over Michigan is an exception).

 

Just as an example, the top teams in the Sun Belt, MAC, and C-USA are Troy, Central Michigan/Miami (OH), and UCF. Here is what those teams have done this year:

 

Troy: Lost at Arkansas 46-26, lost at Florida 59-31, lost at Georgia 44-34 and beat Oklahoma State (5th Big 12 South) at home 41-23.

Central Michigan: Lost at home to I-AA North Dakota State 44-14, lost at Kansas 52-7, lost at Purdue (9th Big 10) 45-22, lost at Clemson 70-14.

Miami (OH): Gave Minnesota (last Big 10) it's only win 41-35, lost at home to Cincinnati 47-10, lost at Colorado 42-0, beat Syracuse at home 17-14.

UCF (which probably has the best case out of these teams): beat North Carolina State on the road (last, ACC Atl) 25-23, lost at home to Texas 35-32, lost at South Florida 64-12.

 

I don't know about you, but I don't really want to see first round games featuring any of these teams. Like I said, you want to set a provision so any non-BCS team in the top whatever-you-want-it-to-be get an automatic bid to accommodate 2007 Hawaii, 2006 Boise State, 2004 Utah, go right ahead, I'm all for it. But to just give them all automatic berths regardless of their record is a waste of a spot. By the same token, to give a 2005 Florida State and 2004 Pittsburgh automatic berths simply for winning their conferences is also a waste.

 

but what a tournament like that would do is narrow the gap in talent between the BCS schools and smaller schools. if you were a kid and were being courted by a top Sun Belt school and a bottom Big 10 or Big East school, where would you go (knowing that winning the Sun Belt would put you in the tourney)?

 

using the college basketball analogy, couldn't a tourney like this turn some smaller school into the Gonzaga of football? no one heard of Gonzaga before a couple of cinderella runs in the tourney, and now their recruiting is way up and they are perennial top 25 teams.

[Magnetic Curses]

IF Missouri loses this week this is what i think happens.

 

Rose:

Georgia/USC-Why would the Rose pass on the #3 team to a #14 B10 team? They have the first pick because they lost the Big Ten and WV doesnt have any conference bowl in ties.

 

Orange:

ACC/Florida

 

Fiesta

OU/Hawaii

 

Sugar

SEC/Mizz

 

Now if Rose takes Illinios, Georgia goes to the Orange and Mizz still goes to Sugar. Mizzou is going to a BCS bowl.

 

so you're saying that the sec will have 3 teams in the bcs?

[Magnetic Curses]

if missouri loses to oklahoma, illinois IS going to the rose bowl and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

not only are they going, but they'll smother whoever they play, be it sec, pac-10, big 12, or acc.

[da bears]

if missouri loses to oklahoma, illinois IS going to the rose bowl and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

not only are they going, but they'll smother whoever they play, be it sec, pac-10, big 12, or acc.

 

And that would be pretty bogus. Explain to me why Illinois deserves a BCS spot over Missouri. I'm all ears.

[Butterscup1679666578]

if missouri loses to oklahoma, illinois IS going to the rose bowl and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

not only are they going, but they'll smother whoever they play, be it sec, pac-10, big 12, or acc.

 

And that would be pretty bogus. Explain to me why Illinois deserves a BCS spot over Missouri. I'm all ears.

 

don't you remember? illinois almost beat missouri.

[Mephistopheles]

they dont deserve it but the rose bowl has their choice and would take a big ten team if they could.

[wekse]

if missouri loses to oklahoma, illinois IS going to the rose bowl and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

not only are they going, but they'll smother whoever they play, be it sec, pac-10, big 12, or acc.

 

And that would be pretty bogus. Explain to me why Illinois deserves a BCS spot over Missouri. I'm all ears.

 

don't you remember? illinois almost beat missouri.

 

i don't think anyone is saying illinois deserves a bcs spot over missouri....it's just that if osu makes the nc, the rose bowl is going to select illinois as their replacement.

[Butterscup1679666578]

if missouri loses to oklahoma, illinois IS going to the rose bowl and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

not only are they going, but they'll smother whoever they play, be it sec, pac-10, big 12, or acc.

 

And that would be pretty bogus. Explain to me why Illinois deserves a BCS spot over Missouri. I'm all ears.

 

don't you remember? illinois almost beat missouri.

 

i don't think anyone is saying illinois deserves a bcs spot over missouri....it's just that if osu makes the nc, the rose bowl is going to select illinois as their replacement.

 

i know. i'm just going to be unbelievably bitter if we lose to OU and end up in the JoeSchmoe.org Bowl while three-loss teams are ending up in BCS games.

[E.J.]

if missouri loses to oklahoma, illinois IS going to the rose bowl and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

not only are they going, but they'll smother whoever they play, be it sec, pac-10, big 12, or acc.

 

And that would be pretty bogus. Explain to me why Illinois deserves a BCS spot over Missouri. I'm all ears.

 

don't you remember? illinois almost beat missouri.

 

i don't think anyone is saying illinois deserves a bcs spot over missouri....it's just that if osu makes the nc, the rose bowl is going to select illinois as their replacement.

 

i know. i'm just going to be unbelievably bitter if we lose to OU and end up in the JoeSchmoe.org Bowl while three-loss teams are ending up in BCS games.

 

Grow your fan base. It's all about money.

[cubweiser03]

IF Missouri loses this week this is what i think happens.

 

Rose:

Georgia/USC-Why would the Rose pass on the #3 team to a #14 B10 team? They have the first pick because they lost the Big Ten and WV doesnt have any conference bowl in ties.

 

Orange:

ACC/Florida

 

Fiesta

OU/Hawaii

 

Sugar

SEC/Mizz

 

Now if Rose takes Illinios, Georgia goes to the Orange and Mizz still goes to Sugar. Mizzou is going to a BCS bowl.

 

so you're saying that the sec will have 3 teams in the bcs?

 

But we all know they deserve 3 8-)

So maybe Orange takes Mizz then with the 2nd selection. Illini have a shot at Sugar or Fiesta. If Rose takes Illini then Orange takes UGA and Mizz still takes Sugar. I dont think its an either or thing with Illini and Mizz.

[SouthSideRyan]

IF Missouri loses this week this is what i think happens.

 

Rose:

Georgia/USC-Why would the Rose pass on the #3 team to a #14 B10 team? They have the first pick because they lost the Big Ten and WV doesnt have any conference bowl in ties.

 

Orange:

ACC/Florida

 

Fiesta

OU/Hawaii

 

Sugar

SEC/Mizz

 

Now if Rose takes Illinios, Georgia goes to the Orange and Mizz still goes to Sugar. Mizzou is going to a BCS bowl.

 

so you're saying that the sec will have 3 teams in the bcs?

 

But we all know they deserve 3 8-)

So maybe Orange takes Mizz then with the 2nd selection. Illini have a shot at Sugar or Fiesta. If Rose takes Illini then Orange takes UGA and Mizz still takes Sugar. I dont think its an either or thing with Illini and Mizz.

 

It's Orange Bowl or bust for Missouri if they lose and nobody else important does. They will not get taken by the Rose Bowl, that'd be Illinois -80%, GA -20% They will not get taken by the Fiesta for a 3rd game against OU. That'd be Illinois -7%, ASU -70%, KU -23% They will not get taken by the Sugar Bowl, that'd be Hawaii -100%

 

That'd leave Orange Bowl at GA -80%, ASU -5%, MU -15%

 

*Before I get criticized by the math inclined, my percentages are just a number out of 100 that a team winds up somewhere.

 

*If Hawaii qualifies they will absolutely be in the Sugar Bowl. Fiesta is not taking a lightly traveled WAC team 2 years in a row no matter how good a game it produced last year.

[Flames24Rulz]

if missouri loses to oklahoma, illinois IS going to the rose bowl and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

not only are they going, but they'll smother whoever they play, be it sec, pac-10, big 12, or acc.

 

And that would be pretty bogus. Explain to me why Illinois deserves a BCS spot over Missouri. I'm all ears.

 

don't you remember? illinois almost beat missouri.

 

i don't think anyone is saying illinois deserves a bcs spot over missouri....it's just that if osu makes the nc, the rose bowl is going to select illinois as their replacement.

 

Exactly. I think everyone knows that Missouri deserves a BCS bid over Illinois seeing how Missouri did beat them head-to-head. But logic doesn't apply to the BCS.

[Guest]

if missouri loses to oklahoma, illinois IS going to the rose bowl and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

not only are they going, but they'll smother whoever they play, be it sec, pac-10, big 12, or acc.

 

And that would be pretty bogus. Explain to me why Illinois deserves a BCS spot over Missouri. I'm all ears.

 

don't you remember? illinois almost beat missouri.

 

i don't think anyone is saying illinois deserves a bcs spot over missouri....it's just that if osu makes the nc, the rose bowl is going to select illinois as their replacement.

 

Exactly. I think everyone knows that Missouri deserves a BCS bid over Illinois seeing how Missouri did beat them head-to-head. But logic doesn't apply to the BCS.

 

This isn't the BCS. It would be the Rose Bowl wanting to keep to the tradition of having a Big 10-Pac 10 matchup in their game.

[Flames24Rulz]

if missouri loses to oklahoma, illinois IS going to the rose bowl and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

not only are they going, but they'll smother whoever they play, be it sec, pac-10, big 12, or acc.

 

And that would be pretty bogus. Explain to me why Illinois deserves a BCS spot over Missouri. I'm all ears.

 

don't you remember? illinois almost beat missouri.

 

i don't think anyone is saying illinois deserves a bcs spot over missouri....it's just that if osu makes the nc, the rose bowl is going to select illinois as their replacement.

 

Exactly. I think everyone knows that Missouri deserves a BCS bid over Illinois seeing how Missouri did beat them head-to-head. But logic doesn't apply to the BCS.

 

This isn't the BCS. It would be the Rose Bowl wanting to keep to the tradition of having a Big 10-Pac 10 matchup in their game.

 

What I was referring to is how a team can get snubbed from the BCS because of the rule where only two teams from one conference can make a BCS bowl. The top teams should make the top bowls. If Oklahoma were to beat Missouri, I'd have to think that all three of those Big 12 teams belong in a BCS bowl game.

 

I won't complain this year because it should help out Illinois, but it is a terrible rule for the system.

[NCCubFan]

Good news for Ball State - Miami's waiver was denied. If they lose to CMU, they will still be bowl-eligible, but all the winning teams have to be chosen before them, meaning Ball State would slide into the International Bowl in Toronto.

 

Now if they win, we're screwed (Miami, CMU and Bowling Green at 8-4 get bids first) unless

 

- Rutgers beats Louisville (making L-Ville ineligible for a bowl)

 

- ASU beats Arizona (making Arizona ineligible for a bowl)

 

- Washington beats Hawaii (opening up another at-large bid in the lower bowls)

 

But good to see that the NCAA has some sense.

Good for the NCAA; that's exactly what I think the ruling should be. I have no trouble with Miami getting a bowl bid as long as the MAC teams with winning records also get in, but not if one of them would be left out. Go CMU!

 

If Miami does win do all of the outcomes you mentioned need to occur, or just one of them? All of them could occur (although I don't think that would be likely), but I'd be surprised if at least one of them didn't happen. If nothing else, ASU should beat Arizona.

[Andy]

Good news for Ball State - Miami's waiver was denied. If they lose to CMU, they will still be bowl-eligible, but all the winning teams have to be chosen before them, meaning Ball State would slide into the International Bowl in Toronto.

 

Now if they win, we're screwed (Miami, CMU and Bowling Green at 8-4 get bids first) unless

 

- Rutgers beats Louisville (making L-Ville ineligible for a bowl)

 

- ASU beats Arizona (making Arizona ineligible for a bowl)

 

- Washington beats Hawaii (opening up another at-large bid in the lower bowls)

 

But good to see that the NCAA has some sense.

Good for the NCAA; that's exactly what I think the ruling should be. I have no trouble with Miami getting a bowl bid as long as the MAC teams with winning records also get in, but not if one of them would be left out. Go CMU!

 

If Miami does win do all of the outcomes you mentioned need to occur, or just one of them? All of them could occur (although I don't think that would be likely), but I'd be surprised if at least one of them didn't happen. If nothing else, ASU should beat Arizona.

I believe all of them would need to occur. The last two for sure need to occur.

 

Oklahoma beating Mizzou would help too, as that would likely knock Illinois into the Rose and open up another at-large slot (Purdue would slide into the Big Ten's last bowl tie-in)