College Football - Championship Week

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm curious on why Illinois would be the only 3 loss team that could go to a BCS game? The Big 10 was down but yet they get rewarded with 2 teams and a 3 loss team at that?

[chuckywang]

i thought there was a rule forbidding two teams from the same conference playing in a bowl game, save the NC game.

 

I think it's simply rematches that are forbidden, not sure. Since we never played this year, that doesn't come into play. Three cheers for imbalanced scheduling! I know you're already a big fan of it. :wink:

 

Yeah, but I think the Fiesta Bowl will wise up and select either USC or ASU as the other at large. Keep in mind that if Oklahoma wins, the Rose Bowl will select first since they'll lose OSU. Then the Orange Bowl will have their at-large selection. Finally the Fiesta Bowl will select. Missouri might already be selected by that time, and if they are, the Fiesta Bowl cannot select Kansas.

 

The writer claims that the BCS games who select before the Fiesta are much more likely to pass over Mizzou in favor of more attractive choices. (Example: Rose takes USC and UI to maintain Pac-10/Big-10 politics. Orange takes, I dunno, Georgia and somebody?) The writer thinks the Fiesta will pass on ASU because having the local team will hurt the economy.

 

The writer doesn't mention the Orange or Rose Bowls anywhere in his article. While your scenario might generate the most revenue in terms of selecting the most popular teams, I am still under the belief that the best teams will be in the BCS bowls. As such, Missouri will get selected over Georgia (if for no other reason than to avoid the firestorm should Missouri not be in).

[chuckywang]

I'm curious on why Illinois would be the only 3 loss team that could go to a BCS game? The Big 10 was down but yet they get rewarded with 2 teams and a 3 loss team at that?

 

The only way Illinois goes to a BCS bowl game is if Ohio State reaches the championship game. In that event, the Rose Bowl will most likely select the 2nd place Big Ten team, Illinois.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm curious on why Illinois would be the only 3 loss team that could go to a BCS game? The Big 10 was down but yet they get rewarded with 2 teams and a 3 loss team at that?

 

For one, it may simply be a question of eligibility. The Big East doesn't have another team eligible for consideration (the only way the BE would have gotten 2 teams in is if UConn had beaten WV). The ACC won't have a great option after the championship game for an at-large spot.

 

That leaves 3 at-large spots (after you give Hawaii it's spot) for 4 conferences. The SEC and Big 12 look like they'll get their maximum of 1 at-large spot. That leaves the Pac 10 and Big 10. The Pac 10 would have gotten 2 in if Dixon hadn't gotten hurt for Oregon. Since he did, Oregon is no longer a possibility. That only leaves Arizona State, and Illinois is simply a more attractive option for most of the bowls than a 2 loss Sun Devil team, and that's assuming ASU gets past Arizona this weekend.

 

Plus, if Washington beats Hawaii, then suddenly there pretty much are no choices. A SEC team, a Big 12 team, Illinois, and Arizona State will be the 4 at-larges/

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm curious on why Illinois would be the only 3 loss team that could go to a BCS game? The Big 10 was down but yet they get rewarded with 2 teams and a 3 loss team at that?

 

The only way Illinois goes to a BCS bowl game is if Ohio State reaches the championship game. In that event, the Rose Bowl will most likely select the 2nd place Big Ten team, Illinois.

 

From what I gather the Rose Bowl doesn't have to pick a Big 10 team but will anyway?

[SouthSideRyan]

The Rose Bowl should take USF instead.

 

Anyways, here's Mandel of SI on the Rose Bowl issue. BOOMER SOONER!!

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/11/28/cfb.bag/index.html?eref=T1

[CubColtPacer]

i thought there was a rule forbidding two teams from the same conference playing in a bowl game, save the NC game.

 

I think it's simply rematches that are forbidden, not sure. Since we never played this year, that doesn't come into play. Three cheers for imbalanced scheduling! I know you're already a big fan of it. :wink:

 

Yeah, but I think the Fiesta Bowl will wise up and select either USC or ASU as the other at large. Keep in mind that if Oklahoma wins, the Rose Bowl will select first since they'll lose OSU. Then the Orange Bowl will have their at-large selection. Finally the Fiesta Bowl will select. Missouri might already be selected by that time, and if they are, the Fiesta Bowl cannot select Kansas.

 

The writer claims that the BCS games who select before the Fiesta are much more likely to pass over Mizzou in favor of more attractive choices. (Example: Rose takes USC and UI to maintain Pac-10/Big-10 politics. Orange takes, I dunno, Georgia and on't go to the Rose, and they definitely won't last all the way to the Firsomebody?) The writer thinks the Fiesta will pass on ASU because having the local team will hurt the economy.

 

The writer doesn't mention the Orange or Rose Bowls anywhere in his article. While your scenario might generate the most revenue in terms of selecting the most popular teams, I am still under the belief that the best teams will be in the BCS bowls. As such, Missouri will get selected over Georgia (if for no other reason than to avoid the firestorm should Missouri not be in).

 

The BCS bowls have never been about picking the best teams. The controversy for Missouri not being in will be a lot less than say Cal or Oregon from 2-3 years ago. If the Orange Bowl feels that Georgia will make the most money, they will select them in a second.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm curious on why Illinois would be the only 3 loss team that could go to a BCS game? The Big 10 was down but yet they get rewarded with 2 teams and a 3 loss team at that?

 

For one, it may simply be a question of eligibility. The Big East doesn't have another team eligible for consideration (the only way the BE would have gotten 2 teams in is if UConn had beaten WV). The ACC won't have a great option after the championship game for an at-large spot.

 

That leaves 3 at-large spots (after you give Hawaii it's spot) for 4 conferences. The SEC and Big 12 look like they'll get their maximum of 1 at-large spot. That leaves the Pac 10 and Big 10. The Pac 10 would have gotten 2 in if Dixon hadn't gotten hurt for Oregon. Since he did, Oregon is no longer a possibility. That only leaves Arizona State, and Illinois is simply a more attractive option for most of the bowls than a 2 loss Sun Devil team, and that's assuming ASU gets past Arizona this weekend.

 

Plus, if Washington beats Hawaii, then suddenly there pretty much are no choices. A SEC team, a Big 12 team, Illinois, and Arizona State will be the 4 at-larges/

 

Why wouldn't the BE not have an eligible team? They have 3 9 win teams other than WV.

[snoodmonger]

Part of the reason is the 2 team per conference limit. More deserving teams might be on the outside looking in due to that rule. Part of it is tradition. Another part of it is the tie-in system. This is from the DMN article. I assume it applies to the Rose Bowl RE: Pac 10/Big 10 affiliation, too.

 

There could also be another reason the Fiesta Bowl would want to have two Big 12 teams in its game. In 2010, the BCS contracts are up and other bowl games, such as the Cotton Bowl, will bid to become part of the BCS.

 

What better way to maintain favor with the Big 12 than to make sure the league gets maximum exposure and maximum payout ($18-$19 million for the first team, $4.5 million for the second) as the Cotton Bowl and others attempt to woo conferences like the Big 12 to align with them?

 

Honestly, I don't see any way the Rose Bowl is ever frozen out of the BCS system. But making sure they take care of the Big 10 and Pac 10 ensures those conferences won't switch allegiances.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm curious on why Illinois would be the only 3 loss team that could go to a BCS game? The Big 10 was down but yet they get rewarded with 2 teams and a 3 loss team at that?

 

For one, it may simply be a question of eligibility. The Big East doesn't have another team eligible for consideration (the only way the BE would have gotten 2 teams in is if UConn had beaten WV). The ACC won't have a great option after the championship game for an at-large spot.

 

That leaves 3 at-large spots (after you give Hawaii it's spot) for 4 conferences. The SEC and Big 12 look like they'll get their maximum of 1 at-large spot. That leaves the Pac 10 and Big 10. The Pac 10 would have gotten 2 in if Dixon hadn't gotten hurt for Oregon. Since he did, Oregon is no longer a possibility. That only leaves Arizona State, and Illinois is simply a more attractive option for most of the bowls than a 2 loss Sun Devil team, and that's assuming ASU gets past Arizona this weekend.

 

Plus, if Washington beats Hawaii, then suddenly there pretty much are no choices. A SEC team, a Big 12 team, Illinois, and Arizona State will be the 4 at-larges/

 

Why wouldn't the BE not have an eligible team? They have 3 9 win teams other than WV.

 

You have to have a team that is in the top 14 of the BCS. Currently, the second best BE team is South Florida at 21. Even if the Orange bowl wanted to select them they couldn't unless they somehow made up 7 spots.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm curious on why Illinois would be the only 3 loss team that could go to a BCS game? The Big 10 was down but yet they get rewarded with 2 teams and a 3 loss team at that?

 

For one, it may simply be a question of eligibility. The Big East doesn't have another team eligible for consideration (the only way the BE would have gotten 2 teams in is if UConn had beaten WV). The ACC won't have a great option after the championship game for an at-large spot.

 

That leaves 3 at-large spots (after you give Hawaii it's spot) for 4 conferences. The SEC and Big 12 look like they'll get their maximum of 1 at-large spot. That leaves the Pac 10 and Big 10. The Pac 10 would have gotten 2 in if Dixon hadn't gotten hurt for Oregon. Since he did, Oregon is no longer a possibility. That only leaves Arizona State, and Illinois is simply a more attractive option for most of the bowls than a 2 loss Sun Devil team, and that's assuming ASU gets past Arizona this weekend.

 

Plus, if Washington beats Hawaii, then suddenly there pretty much are no choices. A SEC team, a Big 12 team, Illinois, and Arizona State will be the 4 at-larges/

 

Why wouldn't the BE not have an eligible team? They have 3 9 win teams other than WV.

 

You have to have a team that is in the top 14 of the BCS. Currently, the second best BE team is South Florida at 21. Even if the Orange bowl wanted to select them they couldn't unless they somehow made up 7 spots.

 

So the coaches in their wisdom of not voting SFlor in the Top 25 burns them and the BE, how surprising.

[cubweiser03]

This isn't a slam on WVU but Ohio State might actually have a better chance of winning a Bowl game if they play in the NCG than if they don't. So winning a National Championship could be easier than winning the Rose Bowl. ](*,)

[CuseCubFan69]

Does anyone have the Preseason Poll? I'm curious on how they all did.

[Guest]

This isn't a slam on WVU but Ohio State might actually have a better chance of winning a Bowl game if they play in the NCG than if they don't. So winning a National Championship could be easier than winning the Rose Bowl. ](*,)

 

I really hope OSU gets drilled by USC in the Rose Bowl this year.

 

If Missouri and WVU don't win on Saturday, I'm going to be really ticked off.

[Derwood]

Does anyone have the Preseason Poll? I'm curious on how they all did.

 

AP Preseason

 

1. USC (62) 0-0 1,622

2. LSU (2) 0-0 1,511

3. West Virginia (1) 0-0 1,396

4. Texas 0-0 1,375

5. Michigan 0-0 1,371

6. Florida 0-0 1,276

7. Wisconsin 0-0 1,192

8. Oklahoma 0-0 1,166

9. Virginia Tech 0-0 1,148

10. Louisville 0-0 1,031

11. Ohio State 0-0 876

12. California 0-0 790

13. Georgia 0-0 782

14. UCLA 0-0 605

15. Tennessee 0-0 571

16. Rutgers 0-0 560

17. Penn State 0-0 542

18. Auburn 0-0 519

19. Florida State 0-0 392

20. Nebraska 0-0 377

21. Arkansas 0-0 376

22. TCU 0-0 283

23. Hawaii 0-0 256

24. Boise State 0-0 187

25. Texas A&M 0-0 162

Others Receiving Votes

Missouri 128, Georgia Tech 94, Boston College 75, Oregon 73, South Carolina 69, Miami (FL) 68, Alabama 66, Oregon State 42, Wake Forest 40, South Florida 28, Arizona State 17, Brigham Young 14, Southern Miss 12, Notre Dame 11, Virginia 7, Clemson 6, Oklahoma State 3, Texas Tech 2, Purdue 1, Houston 1, Kentucky 1, North Carolina State 1.

[CuseCubFan69]

Does anyone have the Preseason Poll? I'm curious on how they all did.

 

AP Preseason

 

1. USC (62) 0-0 1,622

2. LSU (2) 0-0 1,511

3. West Virginia (1) 0-0 1,396

4. Texas 0-0 1,375

5. Michigan 0-0 1,371

6. Florida 0-0 1,276

7. Wisconsin 0-0 1,192

8. Oklahoma 0-0 1,166

9. Virginia Tech 0-0 1,148

10. Louisville 0-0 1,031

11. Ohio State 0-0 876

12. California 0-0 790

13. Georgia 0-0 782

14. UCLA 0-0 605

15. Tennessee 0-0 571

16. Rutgers 0-0 560

17. Penn State 0-0 542

18. Auburn 0-0 519

19. Florida State 0-0 392

20. Nebraska 0-0 377

21. Arkansas 0-0 376

22. TCU 0-0 283

23. Hawaii 0-0 256

24. Boise State 0-0 187

25. Texas A&M 0-0 162

Others Receiving Votes

Missouri 128, Georgia Tech 94, Boston College 75, Oregon 73, South Carolina 69, Miami (FL) 68, Alabama 66, Oregon State 42, Wake Forest 40, South Florida 28, Arizona State 17, Brigham Young 14, Southern Miss 12, Notre Dame 11, Virginia 7, Clemson 6, Oklahoma State 3, Texas Tech 2, Purdue 1, Houston 1, Kentucky 1, North Carolina State 1.

 

Thanks Derwood.

[snoodmonger]

Does anyone have the Preseason Poll? I'm curious on how they all did.

 

AP Preseason

 

1. USC (62) 0-0 1,622 ---------9-2, 8th

2. LSU (2) 0-0 1,511 ---------10-2, 5th

3. West Virginia (1) 0-0 1,396 --10-1, 2nd

4. Texas 0-0 1,375-----------9-3, 17th

5. Michigan 0-0 1,371 -------- 8-4, NR

6. Florida 0-0 1,276-----------9-3, 10th

7. Wisconsin 0-0 1,192 -------9-3, 19th

8. Oklahoma 0-0 1,166 ------- 10-2, 9th

9. Virginia Tech 0-0 1,148 ----- 10-2, 6th

10. Louisville 0-0 1,031-------- 5-6, NR

11. Ohio State 0-0 876 -------- 11-1, 3rd

12. California 0-0 790 -------- 6-5, NR

13. Georgia 0-0 782 -----------10-2, 4th

14. UCLA 0-0 605-------------6-5, NR

15. Tennessee 0-0 571 ---------9-3, 14th

16. Rutgers 0-0 560------------7-4, NR

17. Penn State 0-0 542----------8-4, NR

18. Auburn 0-0 519 -----------8-4, 23rd

19. Florida State 0-0 392 -------7-5, NR

20. Nebraska 0-0 377----------5-7, NR

21. Arkansas 0-0 376 ----------8-4, NR

22. TCU 0-0 283--------------7-5, NR

23. Hawaii 0-0 256------------11-0, 11th

24. Boise State 0-0 187---------10-2, 24th

25. Texas A&M 0-0 162---------7-5, NR

Others Receiving Votes

Missouri 128, 11-1, 1st

Georgia Tech 94, Boston College-12th, Oregon-18th, South Carolina 69, Miami (FL) 68, Alabama 66, Oregon State 42, Wake Forest 40, South Florida-25th, Arizona State-13th, Brigham Young 21st, Southern Miss 12, Notre Dame 11, Virginia--22nd, Clemson-16th, Oklahoma State 3, Texas Tech 2, Purdue 1, Houston 1, Kentucky 1, North Carolina State 1.

 

Currently ranked but did not receive votes pre-season:

Kansas (7th)

Illinois (15th)

Cincinnati (20th)

 

Now reflecting the current AP poll

[CubColtPacer]

The one thing that really sticks out at me looking at the two polls was that the ACC was severly underrated at the start of the season. 2 teams in the top 25 to start the season, 4 at the end of the year.

 

Especially if Oregon loses this week, the Pac 10 will have struggled to live up to expectations despite ASU's emergence because of USC, Cal, and UCLA.

 

The Big 10's a mixed bag. Michigan is a major disappointment. Wisconsin and Penn State are disappointments. Ohio State is definitely a surprise, while Illinois is a major surprise. So probably a little worse than pre-season for the Big 10.

 

The Big East is probably slightly disappointing, while Missouri adds a huge, huge bonus to the Big 12.

 

The SEC is right about where they are supposed to be. Auburn over South Florida in the polls is a joke though.

[SouthSideRyan]

Matching up Illinois vs. USF for kicks

 

WINS

 

at OSU vs. WV

Wisky vs. at Auburn

PSU vs. Louisville

at IU vs. at Pitt

NU vs. UCF

Ball St. vs. UNC

at SU vs. at SU

at Minn. vs. at FAU

WIU vs. Elon

 

LOSSES

 

Mizzou(neutral) vs. at UConn

UM vs. Cincy

at Iowa vs. at Rutgers

 

Without taking into account the relative hotness of the 2 teams heading into the bowls, Illinois has the advantage.

 

The teams who have a realistic chance at BCS at larges are USC, ASU, KU, Mizzou, Illinois, Va Tech, and Hawaii

 

Georgia is already an at large lock.

 

A Washington win coupled with USC, ASU and Va Tech wins locks up BCS spots for Illinois and ASU regardless of what happens in the Big 12 title game. KU grabs the 4th spot regardless of winner.

 

If Washington and Arizona win, things get confusing. Again KU and Illinois are locks. The 4th spot then is a crapshoot. The last spot probably would go to Clemson or a Dixon-less Oregon team, neither of which a BCS bowl wants. Oregon will probably lose to Oregon St. anyways.

 

If the disaster scenario happens where every dog wins: Washington, Arizona, UCLA, and BC; USC, Va Tech, and KU grab the spots.(Though I'm not certain on the specific rules involving conference winners finishing lower than non-BCS schools. Hawaii may be an auto qualifier with a UCLA Rose Bowl. In which case, Va Tech is probably out.

 

Maybe more to come later. I'm that bored, and counting down the minute til I can play ball.

[SouthSideRyan]

Game lines for games of BCS importance:

 

Pitt at West Virginia (-28) (West Virginia has locked up BCS spot, with loss is out of title game.

Virginia Tech (-4.5) vs. BC (BC needs win for BCS spot, VA Tech could sneak in without ACC Title

UCLA at USC (-20) (USC could sneak in without PAC 10 title. UCLA sucks.

OU (-3) vs. Mizzou (Both teams seem to need a win for BCS. Mizzou would play for title)

Washington at (-14) Hawaii (Hawaii needs win for BCS)

Arizona at Arizona St.(-7) (ASU needs win for BCS chance. Could still be shut out.)

[NCCubFan]

According to the Dallas Morning News, KU is in the Fiesta no matter what happens this weekend between OU/MU.

 

If MU wins, KU goes and plays ASU or UofI in the Fiesta Bowl. (MU to NC game, OU to Cotton)

 

If MU loses, KU goes and plays OU in the Fiesta Bowl. (MU to the Cotton Bowl)

 

I'm as big a KU homer as it gets, and I'd love to see us slip into a BCS game, but Mizzou would be getting the screw job of all screw jobs if the second scenario happens. That would mean they would be passed over for a BCS game in favor of not only one, but TWO teams they beat head-to-head (KU & UofI), one of which also has more losses.

 

It's pretty much impossible to justify. Don't get me wrong--part of me would find it hilarious, because I love watching horrible things happen to Missouri and its fans. But the objective part of me finds the thing pretty appalling.

 

Linkola

 

that looked wrong to me before I realized that the Cotton is no longer a BCS bowl.

 

It never was a BCS bowl.

 

i'm old school. pre-BCS, the big 5 bowls were the Orange, Sugar, Rose, Cotton and Fiesta. when the BCS started, the Cotton got the boot

Even more old school, I remember when the Fiesta wasn't a major bowl; it was just the Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Cotton. That was when the Big 12 was the Big 8, the Big 10 really was the Big 10, and there was a Southwest Conference (which was the host for the Cotton Bowl). Back then you could tell one bowl game from another based on what conference was involved and the bowl games wrapped up on New Year's Day (or Jan. 2 if New Year's was a Sunday).

[Guest]

Raisin, what's with USC negotiating with the Rose Bowl to play their home games there? Is it just a ploy?

 

Probably looking for renovations without having to pay. The Coliseum is across the Harbor Freeway while the Rose Bowl is about 10 miles away. About 25 years ago, UCLA and USC used to share the LA Coliseum.

[Magnetic Curses]

oh, i would be so happy if usc played the illini.

 

softy mcsoft. it would be so much fun watching the illini offense bully around that usc defense.

[CuseCubFan69]

oh, i would be so happy if usc played the illini.

 

softy mcsoft. it would be so much fun watching the illini offense bully around that usc defense.

 

Doesn't USC have like 85 first round picks on defense?

[Guest]

Yeah, that front 7 for USC is so soft. Maualuga and Rivers are practically teddy bears.