College Football - Championship Week

[Keener98]

Nah talent level man. USC would overmatch them most of the time, although SC also throws a dud out there every now and then. Still most of the time SC will outclass the Illini and beat em pretty handily. Every few games the Illini would hang in, mainly because SC fell on their face.

 

 

In case you havent noticed U of I has some pretty good pro prospects on their team as well.

 

you have two or three, compared to USC having 2 or 3 in their runningback stables alone. it's not comparable. don't pretend it is.

 

Mendenhall, Vontae Davis, Benn, Wilson, Juice, Leman, Wilson, and 2-3 offensive lineman

 

Yeah...you're not being biased. I guess you're including 5th and 6th round talents as pretty good pro prospects. Who in the world is saying Juice Williams is a "pretty good pro prospect" Just you Illinois fans? My lord. The guy can't complete a pass, he's terrible. He's no different than Reggie Ball.

 

 

You definately would know about being biased in ones opinions

[bukie]

Yeah...you're not being biased. I guess you're including 5th and 6th round talents as pretty good pro prospects. Who in the world is saying Juice Williams is a "pretty good pro prospect" Just you Illinois fans? My lord. The guy can't complete a pass, he's terrible. He's no different than Reggie Ball.

 

Hey now, Juice passes just as well as LaDainian Tomlinson, and he's in the NFL. ;)

[Mephistopheles]

Nah talent level man. USC would overmatch them most of the time, although SC also throws a dud out there every now and then. Still most of the time SC will outclass the Illini and beat em pretty handily. Every few games the Illini would hang in, mainly because SC fell on their face.

 

 

In case you havent noticed U of I has some pretty good pro prospects on their team as well.

 

you have two or three, compared to USC having 2 or 3 in their runningback stables alone. it's not comparable. don't pretend it is.

 

Mendenhall, Vontae Davis, Benn, Wilson, Juice, Leman, Wilson, and 2-3 offensive lineman

 

Yeah...you're not being biased. I guess you're including 5th and 6th round talents as pretty good pro prospects. Who in the world is saying Juice Williams is a "pretty good pro prospect" Just you Illinois fans? My lord. The guy can't complete a pass, he's terrible. He's no different than Reggie Ball.

 

 

You definately would know about being biased in ones opinions

 

Right, because objectivity always helps my teams...(oh wait it does not). Whether or not I'm biased or not is up to your opinion, but at the very least I can hide behind the facts that everything I say is statistically valid and I can back it up if I choose to. Meanwhile you hide behind um....more subjectivity? I think I'll come out on top every time....and I'm the homer despite being the person who readily accepts, admits and states that the 2006 Florida Gators were not the best team in the country and were extremely lucky to get the title. Yet, I'm the homer.

[Mephistopheles]

Yeah...you're not being biased. I guess you're including 5th and 6th round talents as pretty good pro prospects. Who in the world is saying Juice Williams is a "pretty good pro prospect" Just you Illinois fans? My lord. The guy can't complete a pass, he's terrible. He's no different than Reggie Ball.

 

Hey now, Juice passes just as well as LaDainian Tomlinson, and he's in the NFL. ;)

 

well the question is who is a better QB if their legs were broken: Juice Williams or Darren McFadden?

 

Answer: Darren McFadden.

 

Yeah Juice is an NFL Stud no doubt!

[Mephistopheles]

SF is better than Illinois? Please they arent even ranked And West Virginia beat random Big East crap.

 

WV non conference is terrible also.

 

Yes, I would say South Florida is better than Illinois. USF merely managed to lose all 3 of their games in a row to drop off the human polls' radar.

 

Florida, USC, West Virginia and Ohio State are also better teams than Illinois.

 

Personally, I'm just glad they are in the discussion this year. I still don't think they get blown out by whoever they play.

 

I don't think Illinois will get killed by whoever they play. I just think there are quite a few who would kill them quite often if they played a lot of games.

[Keener98]

Yea, Juice as a sophomore is the way to judge him. Well at least there is no argument at all regarding Tebows NFL chances. We all know how great those Florida QB's do in the NFL.

[bukie]

Yeah...you're not being biased. I guess you're including 5th and 6th round talents as pretty good pro prospects. Who in the world is saying Juice Williams is a "pretty good pro prospect" Just you Illinois fans? My lord. The guy can't complete a pass, he's terrible. He's no different than Reggie Ball.

 

Hey now, Juice passes just as well as LaDainian Tomlinson, and he's in the NFL. ;)

 

well the question is who is a better QB if their legs were broken: Juice Williams or Darren McFadden?

 

Answer: Darren McFadden.

 

Yeah Juice is an NFL Stud no doubt!

 

I could see an NFL team taking a flyer on him and trying to convert him to WR/RB like Randle El, but that rarely works out as is. If he magically plays all next year as well as he played against Ohio State (most of the reason Illinois made them look so bad was that Ohio State basically ganged up on the run game and dared Juice to beat him...90% of the time, good plan), then he's suddenly a pro prospect QB. The likelihood of that, though, is slim to none. I'd enjoy watching Illinois in the national championship that year, though.

[Mephistopheles]

Yea, Juice as a sophomore is the way to judge him. Well at least there is no argument at all regarding Tebows NFL chances. We all know how great those Florida QB's do in the NFL.

 

Yeah because Tim Tebow has a lot in common with all those Florida QB's, other than the fact he played at Florida.

 

Same Coach? No.

Same System? No.

 

The argument was always the Spurrier system argument...Tebow probably has never even met Steve Spurrier off the football field. Really using that argument is incredibly logically dishonest and anyone who uses it seriously should be laughed at.

 

That said, Tim Tebow is probably going to go in the first round if he's healthy, wins a heisman and continues to rock next year (see Alex Smith). However, how much of his passing success is because of his legs remains to be seen and he's a risky bet for a first round pick. I wouldn't take him before the second round at the earliest. His power running threat won't be much of a factor and his little fake QB draw thing won't be as potent in the NFL. Not only that he's likely to end up in a body bag if he scrambles as much as he does now in the NFL. He's probably a better FB prospect for the NFL than QB. If he was a pure FB he'd probably go in the first or second round.

[Keener98]

Yea, Juice as a sophomore is the way to judge him. Well at least there is no argument at all regarding Tebows NFL chances. We all know how great those Florida QB's do in the NFL.

 

Yeah because Tim Tebow has a lot in common with all those Florida QB's, other than the fact he played at Florida.

 

Same Coach? No.

Same System? No.

 

The argument was always the Spurrier system argument...Tebow probably has never even met Steve Spurrier off the football field. Really using that argument is incredibly logically dishonest and anyone who uses it seriously should be laughed at.

 

That said, Tim Tebow is probably going to go in the first round if he's healthy, wins a heisman and continues to rock next year (see Alex Smith). However, how much of his passing success is because of his legs remains to be seen and he's a risky bet for a first round pick. I wouldn't take him before the second round at the earliest. His power running threat won't be much of a factor and his little fake QB draw thing won't be as potent in the NFL. Not only that he's likely to end up in a body bag if he scrambles as much as he does now in the NFL. He's probably a better FB prospect for the NFL than QB. If he was a pure FB he'd probably go in the first or second round.

 

I know hes not in the same system. I agree with basically everything else you said thought. Honestly I think the same thing could be said for Juice minus the Heisman, and insert WR instead of FB.

[Mephistopheles]

Yea, Juice as a sophomore is the way to judge him. Well at least there is no argument at all regarding Tebows NFL chances. We all know how great those Florida QB's do in the NFL.

 

Yeah because Tim Tebow has a lot in common with all those Florida QB's, other than the fact he played at Florida.

 

Same Coach? No.

Same System? No.

 

The argument was always the Spurrier system argument...Tebow probably has never even met Steve Spurrier off the football field. Really using that argument is incredibly logically dishonest and anyone who uses it seriously should be laughed at.

 

That said, Tim Tebow is probably going to go in the first round if he's healthy, wins a heisman and continues to rock next year (see Alex Smith). However, how much of his passing success is because of his legs remains to be seen and he's a risky bet for a first round pick. I wouldn't take him before the second round at the earliest. His power running threat won't be much of a factor and his little fake QB draw thing won't be as potent in the NFL. Not only that he's likely to end up in a body bag if he scrambles as much as he does now in the NFL. He's probably a better FB prospect for the NFL than QB. If he was a pure FB he'd probably go in the first or second round.

 

I know hes not in the same system. I agree with basically everything else you said thought. Honestly I think the same thing could be said for Juice minus the Heisman, and insert WR instead of FB.

 

Except Juice runs like a 4.70.

[Flames24Rulz]

USF is better than Illinois? The hits just keep on comin'.

[CuseCubFan69]

USF is better than Illinois? The hits just keep on comin'.

 

I'd say they are pretty close to even. Tell me why you think Illinois is better.

[SouthSideRyan]

USF is better than Illinois? The hits just keep on comin'.

 

I'd say they are pretty close to even. Tell me why you think Illinois is better.

 

I posted their game by game comparison a few pages ago. Illinois has the best win(at OSU compared to home vs. WV) and the best loss (Mizzou (N) compared to home against Cincy) The other games are pretty much equal (Wisky/PSU vs. Auburn/Louisville) (Syracuse vs. Syracuse) (Western IL vs. Elon) (Pitt vs. Ball St.) (UCF vs. IU) (NU vs. UNC)(FAU vs. Minnesota) (UM/Iowa vs. UConn/Rutgers)

[Derwood]

i'm not sold on juice williams as a pro either. not at QB. Michael Robinson was a bigger, stronger version of Juice and led penn state to within 2 seconds of being undefeated. 2 years later and he can barely get onto the field as a 3rd down back for the 49ers

[Magnetic Curses]

there is quite a large anti-b10 bias on this board for whatever reason.

 

The Big 10 beat no one outside of the Big 10 that was any good, that's why. Nothing personal Sully, it's just business.

 

it doesn't matter if they beat everyone outside of the b10, there'd still be people saying that the b10 was no good.

 

i can't wait until the illini get to beat up on some sec or pac-10 school in a bowl game, it's going to be marvelous. no respect whatsoever.

[Soul]

i'm not sold on juice williams as a pro either. not at QB.

 

At the moment I'd say no. He has too many accuracy issues. He's turning into a heck of a spread college QB though. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Derwood]

i'm not sold on juice williams as a pro either. not at QB.

 

At the moment I'd say no. He has too many accuracy issues. He's turning into a heck of a spread college QB though. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

he may e a very effective college QB, but that wasn't what was being debated

[E.J.]

i'm not sold on juice williams as a pro either. not at QB.

 

At the moment I'd say no. He has too many accuracy issues. He's turning into a heck of a spread college QB though. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

he may e a very effective college QB, but that wasn't what was being debated

 

I agree Derwood. He's going to have to improve his passing ten-fold if he plans on doing anything in the NFL.

[da bears]

i'm not sold on juice williams as a pro either. not at QB.

 

At the moment I'd say no. He has too many accuracy issues. He's turning into a heck of a spread college QB though. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

he may e a very effective college QB, but that wasn't what was being debated

 

I agree Derwood. He's going to have to improve his passing ten-fold if he plans on doing anything in the NFL.

 

I doubt he ever will. He's kinda like a poor man's Brad Smith. And Smith never got a shot at QB, now is a receiver/ do it all man for the Jets. And before Illini fans jump on me, Smith is the only player in college football history with 8,000 passing yards and 4,000 rushing yards.

[Butterscup1679666578]

i'm not sold on juice williams as a pro either. not at QB.

 

At the moment I'd say no. He has too many accuracy issues. He's turning into a heck of a spread college QB though. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

he may e a very effective college QB, but that wasn't what was being debated

 

I agree Derwood. He's going to have to improve his passing ten-fold if he plans on doing anything in the NFL.

 

I doubt he ever will. He's kinda like a poor man's Brad Smith. And Smith never got a shot at QB, now is a receiver/ do it all man for the Jets. And before Illini fans jump on me, Smith is the only player in college football history with 8,000 passing yards and 4,000 rushing yards.

 

I was going to post the exact same thing, almost word for word, before I saw your post. Brad Smith was a slightly better QB (and he sucked at QB) than Juice, and definitely a better runner than Juice. There wasn't even talk of him being drafted as a QB.

[OleMissCub]

 

I was going to post the exact same thing, almost word for word, before I saw your post. Brad Smith was a slightly better QB (and he sucked at QB) than Juice, and definitely a better runner than Juice. There wasn't even talk of him being drafted as a QB.

 

I like your old sig pic....

[Guest]

Yea, Juice as a sophomore is the way to judge him. Well at least there is no argument at all regarding Tebows NFL chances. We all know how great those Florida QB's do in the NFL.

 

Yeah because Tim Tebow has a lot in common with all those Florida QB's, other than the fact he played at Florida.

 

Same Coach? No.

Same System? No.

 

The argument was always the Spurrier system argument...Tebow probably has never even met Steve Spurrier off the football field. Really using that argument is incredibly logically dishonest and anyone who uses it seriously should be laughed at.

 

That said, Tim Tebow is probably going to go in the first round if he's healthy, wins a heisman and continues to rock next year (see Alex Smith). However, how much of his passing success is because of his legs remains to be seen and he's a risky bet for a first round pick. I wouldn't take him before the second round at the earliest. His power running threat won't be much of a factor and his little fake QB draw thing won't be as potent in the NFL. Not only that he's likely to end up in a body bag if he scrambles as much as he does now in the NFL. He's probably a better FB prospect for the NFL than QB. If he was a pure FB he'd probably go in the first or second round.

 

Homer.

[Guest]

USF is better than Illinois? The hits just keep on comin'.

 

Yeah, even Illinois hater Bukie seems to think so.

[bukie]

USF is better than Illinois? The hits just keep on comin'.

 

Yeah, even Illinois hater Bukie seems to think so.

 

Tempered expectations helps me be happier about their success and less annoyed when they fail.

[CuseCubFan69]

there is quite a large anti-b10 bias on this board for whatever reason.

 

The Big 10 beat no one outside of the Big 10 that was any good, that's why. Nothing personal Sully, it's just business.

 

it doesn't matter if they beat everyone outside of the b10, there'd still be people saying that the b10 was no good.

 

i can't wait until the illini get to beat up on some sec or pac-10 school in a bowl game, it's going to be marvelous. no respect whatsoever.

 

That's why I like the bowls because it forces some schools out of their protected zone.