College Football - Championship Week

[CuseCubFan69]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

 

I still don't see how the SEC is leading though. Exactly who have they beaten OOC? VTech was a good win but what I think is ironic is that in Basketball Syracuse gets ripped for playing a lot of games at home but in football the SEC does it and gets a pass.

[Mephistopheles]

if you want to get technical, all of those Big Ten teams who took Notre Dame outside the woodshed helped the Big Ten once Notre Dame knocked off UCLA and Stanford.

[Derwood]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

unfortunately, it'll be a few years before the Big 10 non-con is any good. PSU, for example, has two years of Syracuse starting next year, but then have two-year series with Alabama (2010-11) and Viriginia (2012-13) after that

[CuseCubFan69]

if you want to get technical, all of those Big Ten teams who took Notre Dame outside the woodshed helped the Big Ten once Notre Dame knocked off UCLA and Stanford.

 

If you get technical you could say that UCLA didn't have a QB too. I see where you are going with this but imo the Big 10 puts too much emphasis on ND. They have to play some other BCS teams too because if ND stinks, it kills them.

[Mephistopheles]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

I still don't see how the SEC is leading though. Exactly who have they beaten OOC? VTech was a good win but what I think is ironic is that in Basketball Syracuse gets ripped for playing a lot of games at home but in football the SEC does it and gets a pass.

 

LSU beat VT

UGA killed OkSU

Florida killed FSU

Auburn over KSU

An average SEC team (SC) pretty much tied 9-3 ACC Clemson

 

You don't just look who they beat, you look at who they lost to as well. The SEC had one loss to a non BCS conference team (Alabama to Monroe). The Pac 10 had 4. The Big Ten had 5. The Big East had 3. The Big XII had 5. The ACC had 3ish.* You also look at how well they played (Score). And running up the score should matter some (obviously not completely).

 

 

*going into this week.

[Derwood]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

I still don't see how the SEC is leading though. Exactly who have they beaten OOC? VTech was a good win but what I think is ironic is that in Basketball Syracuse gets ripped for playing a lot of games at home but in football the SEC does it and gets a pass.

 

LSU beat VT

UGA killed OkSU

Florida killed FSU

Auburn over KSU

 

You don't just look who they beat, you look at who they lost to as well. The SEC had one loss to a non BCS conference team (Alabama to Monroe). The Pac 10 had 4. The Big Ten had 5. The Big East had 3. The Big XII had 5. The ACC had 3ish.* You also look at how well they played (Score). And running up the score should matter some (obviously not completely).

 

 

*going into this week.

 

you'll get a more accurate picture if you break those conferences down by team (for example, the total suckfest that was Minnesota accounted for, what, 3 of those 5 losses?) just saying

[Mephistopheles]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

unfortunately, it'll be a few years before the Big 10 non-con is any good. PSU, for example, has two years of Syracuse starting next year, but then have two-year series with Alabama (2010-11) and Viriginia (2012-13) after that

 

The Big Ten can be good without a tough non conference schedule.

[Mephistopheles]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

I still don't see how the SEC is leading though. Exactly who have they beaten OOC? VTech was a good win but what I think is ironic is that in Basketball Syracuse gets ripped for playing a lot of games at home but in football the SEC does it and gets a pass.

 

LSU beat VT

UGA killed OkSU

Florida killed FSU

Auburn over KSU

 

You don't just look who they beat, you look at who they lost to as well. The SEC had one loss to a non BCS conference team (Alabama to Monroe). The Pac 10 had 4. The Big Ten had 5. The Big East had 3. The Big XII had 5. The ACC had 3ish.* You also look at how well they played (Score). And running up the score should matter some (obviously not completely).

 

 

*going into this week.

 

you'll get a more accurate picture if you break those conferences down by team (for example, the total suckfest that was Minnesota accounted for, what, 3 of those 5 losses?) just saying

 

minnesota is a big ten team the last time i checked. their suckage counts.

[Derwood]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

unfortunately, it'll be a few years before the Big 10 non-con is any good. PSU, for example, has two years of Syracuse starting next year, but then have two-year series with Alabama (2010-11) and Viriginia (2012-13) after that

 

The Big Ten can be good without a tough non conference schedule.

 

sure, but your arguments for why the SEC is better is based on non-con, so i'm trying to counter that argument.

[Mephistopheles]

I didn't say the SEC played a great non conference this year.

 

Apparently Tebow broke his hand on the first possession of the third quarter against FSU and will be in a cast for the next two weeks. No wonder the Gators did not drop fifty on the Noles. STUPID TEBOW!

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/11/25/bc.fbc.t25.florida.tebow.ap/index.html

[SouthSideRyan]

LSU killing Va Tech is what keeps the SEC up top. That was a very impressive win that no other conference can match. It makes the ACC look terrible as well.

[fiver]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

I still don't see how the SEC is leading though. Exactly who have they beaten OOC? VTech was a good win but what I think is ironic is that in Basketball Syracuse gets ripped for playing a lot of games at home but in football the SEC does it and gets a pass.

 

LSU beat VT

UGA killed OkSU

Florida killed FSU

Auburn over KSU

An average SEC team (SC) pretty much tied 9-3 ACC Clemson

 

You don't just look who they beat, you look at who they lost to as well. The SEC had one loss to a non BCS conference team (Alabama to Monroe). The Pac 10 had 4. The Big Ten had 5. The Big East had 3. The Big XII had 5. The ACC had 3ish.* You also look at how well they played (Score). And running up the score should matter some (obviously not completely).

 

 

*going into this week.

 

Georgia beat GT.

 

Cuse,

 

Auburn opens with West Virginia at WV in '08. Yes, they played their two BCS out of conference games at home this year, but that isn't the case every year. They went to Southern Cal for a season opener a few years ago. You are trying to state that the only way SEC teams will play BCS out of conference games is on their home field and that's inaccurate.

[CuseCubFan69]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

I still don't see how the SEC is leading though. Exactly who have they beaten OOC? VTech was a good win but what I think is ironic is that in Basketball Syracuse gets ripped for playing a lot of games at home but in football the SEC does it and gets a pass.

 

LSU beat VT

UGA killed OkSU

Florida killed FSU

Auburn over KSU

An average SEC team (SC) pretty much tied 9-3 ACC Clemson

 

You don't just look who they beat, you look at who they lost to as well. The SEC had one loss to a non BCS conference team (Alabama to Monroe). The Pac 10 had 4. The Big Ten had 5. The Big East had 3. The Big XII had 5. The ACC had 3ish.* You also look at how well they played (Score). And running up the score should matter some (obviously not completely).

 

 

*going into this week.

 

The non BCS teams the BE lost to were Louisville to Utah, Pitt to Navy and Syracuse to Miami (Oh), those are solid programs. Also, I don't know about the other BCS conferences but the BE plays a lot of home and homes which we both know the SEC did not do this year.

[CuseCubFan69]

Yeah the Big Ten was a pretty weak conference this year. It's unfortunate that they will probably end up with two BCS teams, unless youre an Illini fan. Don't worry, there's a lot of talent in the Big Ten and it will be fine. Just a one (or two see 2006) year thing. A few years ago the SEC was pulling up the rear of the BCS conferences. It has been leading it the last two. It's cyclical between the Big XII, Big Ten, SEC. None of the conferences are better than the others over the long haul.

 

I still don't see how the SEC is leading though. Exactly who have they beaten OOC? VTech was a good win but what I think is ironic is that in Basketball Syracuse gets ripped for playing a lot of games at home but in football the SEC does it and gets a pass.

 

LSU beat VT

UGA killed OkSU

Florida killed FSU

Auburn over KSU

An average SEC team (SC) pretty much tied 9-3 ACC Clemson

 

You don't just look who they beat, you look at who they lost to as well. The SEC had one loss to a non BCS conference team (Alabama to Monroe). The Pac 10 had 4. The Big Ten had 5. The Big East had 3. The Big XII had 5. The ACC had 3ish.* You also look at how well they played (Score). And running up the score should matter some (obviously not completely).

 

 

*going into this week.

 

Georgia beat GT.

 

Cuse,

 

Auburn opens with West Virginia at WV in '08. Yes, they played their two BCS out of conference games at home this year, but that isn't the case every year. They went to Southern Cal for a season opener a few years ago. You are trying to state that the only way SEC teams will play BCS out of conference games is on their home field and that's inaccurate.

 

I have no problem with that. We are talking about this year and why the SEC is crowned the king. Again, imo...no conference stood out is my argument not that the SEC sucks.

[Andy]

Also of note: The MAC is trying to get the NCAA to grant a waiver to Miami (OH) to get into a bowl game in the (likely) event that Central Michigan pounds them on Saturday and they finish 6-7 on the grounds of them being a division champion. This waiver, if granted (and all indications are that it will be), probably would make Ball State the one and only 7-5 or better team to be left out in the bowl cold. That's fun.

That would be pure bullcrap. There's no excuse for allowing a team with a losing record to play in a bowl game, division champion or not. They wouldn't be conference champions under that scenerio. If the logic is that they're bowl eligible because of having 6 wins the rule that a team with 7 or more wins from the same conference has priority should still be in effect.

 

Even if they're considered eligible, though, I don't think that means a bowl game has to give them a bid, if they think Davis and a 7-5 BSU team would be more attractive. I remember reading or hearing a few years ago that, except for the conference champions, bowls don't have to award bids based on order of finish (even though more often than not they do). The second bid from a conference means that the bowl game has second pick from the conference, but it doesn't actually have to be the second-place team if another team would be more attractive.

Thinking more about the MAC situation, I don't think that move would keep Ball State out. According to the most recent ESPN bowl projections (last Tuesday), three conferences (Pac 10, WAC, and Big 12) were expected to fall short of having enough bowl-eligible teams to fill their slots. Even with last weekend's upsets possibly giving the Pac 10 enough teams, there's still the WAC and Big 12. So perhaps the MAC believes that Ball State will get a bid anyway and they are trying to get 4 teams in bowls as opposed to leaving BSU out. I can see that logic. Had Miami been 6-6 but not in the championship game they'd be eligible. So if losing the championship game and finishing 6-7 would rule them out, that would in effect mean that they'd be punished for winning the division and playing for the championship, and that makes no sense to me. So I think what they're really looking for is an interpretation that an extra game playing for the championship shouldn't hurt a team with 6 wins in the regular season, and I agree with that logic. If the MAC isn't in line for an extra bid due to other conferences falling short I think BSU would still be protected by the rule that a 7-win team has priority over a 6-win team from the same conference.

I've looked it up, and Purdue and TCU are both 7-5 teams that didn't qualify for a bowl who will get the nod over Ball State. With only two such slots open, that would leave us on the outside looking in.

 

I hope you're right about the MAC though. It's all such a giant mess, and it all started with Temple joining and the MAC inexplicably having some teams play 7 league games and some 8.

[bukie]

So, BCS bowl picture:

 

- Championship game: Simply put, if Missouri and WV win, they are in the championship game. If one of them lose, Ohio State is in the championship game. If both lose, all hell breaks loose. Ohio State will play somebody, and it'll basically be whoever the voters decide. Georgia is currently 4th, but aren't playing in their own conference championship game. Kansas is 5th, with the same dilemma. So, I would imagine the most likely participants would be Virginia Tech, LSU or USC, if they win. However, should all those teams lose (we're talking WVU, Missouri, Virginia Tech, LSU AND USC), the voters may actually jump Oklahoma all the way into the championship game. If they don't, all kinds of problems would be created with a game involving Georgia or Kansas.

 

At this point, though, if everything goes according to form, the only team with a semi-legitimate gripe at not having a shot at the championship would be OSU.

 

- BCS teams overall:

 

Auto bids:

- Ohio State

- West Virginia

- Virginia Tech/BC winner

- Missouri/Oklahoma winner

- USC if they win, USC/ASU/UCLA if they lose

- LSU/Tennessee winner

 

Up for grabs:

1. Georgia, since they will likely stay in the top 4 no matter which scenario plays out

2. Hawaii if they win will get an automatic bid (since they will stay in the top 12)

3. Kansas if they somehow sneak into the top 4 (I could see Missouri losing and staying ahead of Kansas, and still having one of the other conf. championship winners jumping both of them)

4. Take your pick of Arizona State, Illinois, or a favored BCS championship loser (Missouri, Virginia Tech, USC)

 

I do agree, though, that if Ohio State sneaks into the BCS championship and Illinois sneaks into the top 14 of the BCS, the Rose Bowl will likely take Illinois.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Missouri and West Virginia lose while Va Tech and LSU win...and Va Tech makes it over LSU...I can't even describe how criminal that is. Funny, but criminal nonetheless.

 

Not that it matters cause West Virginia will make Pitt look like they're coached by Dave Wannstedt.

[CuseCubFan69]

So, BCS bowl picture:

 

- Championship game: Simply put, if Missouri and WV win, they are in the championship game. If one of them lose, Ohio State is in the championship game. If both lose, all hell breaks loose. Ohio State will play somebody, and it'll basically be whoever the voters decide. Georgia is currently 4th, but aren't playing in their own conference championship game. Kansas is 5th, with the same dilemma. So, I would imagine the most likely participants would be Virginia Tech, LSU or USC, if they win. However, should all those teams lose (we're talking WVU, Missouri, Virginia Tech, LSU AND USC), the voters may actually jump Oklahoma all the way into the championship game. If they don't, all kinds of problems would be created with a game involving Georgia or Kansas.

 

At this point, though, if everything goes according to form, the only team with a semi-legitimate gripe at not having a shot at the championship would be OSU.

 

- BCS teams overall:

 

Auto bids:

- Ohio State

- West Virginia

- Virginia Tech/BC winner

- Missouri/Oklahoma winner

- USC if they win, USC/ASU/UCLA if they lose

- LSU/Tennessee winner

 

Up for grabs:

1. Georgia, since they will likely stay in the top 4 no matter which scenario plays out

2. Hawaii if they win will get an automatic bid (since they will stay in the top 12)

3. Kansas if they somehow sneak into the top 4 (I could see Missouri losing and staying ahead of Kansas, and still having one of the other conf. championship winners jumping both of them)

4. Take your pick of Arizona State, Illinois, or a favored BCS championship loser (Missouri, Virginia Tech, USC)

 

I do agree, though, that if Ohio State sneaks into the BCS championship and Illinois sneaks into the top 14 of the BCS, the Rose Bowl will likely take Illinois.

 

USC is a no brainer if they don't win the PAC 10 out of that group imo. They have the big name that Bowls like. Also, if Tenn beats LSU I wonder if they would grab the 4th spot? I'd be surprised if Kansas doesn't go but if Mizzou losses to OK that might bump Kansas out as you wrote. Also, half of the Big East teams had 9 wins, which no other conference did, I don't see why they could get 2 in.

[CuseCubFan69]

If Missouri and West Virginia lose while Va Tech and LSU win...and Va Tech makes it over LSU...I can't even describe how criminal that is. Funny, but criminal nonetheless.

 

Not that it matters cause West Virginia will make Pitt look like they're coached by Dave Wannstedt.

 

That's why this lose late thing is dumb as heck. Just say Mizzou and WV loss. They each have 2 losses, why are they dismissed out of hand? Granted, Mizzou if they lost their Conference they shouldn't go but I'm quite sure Georgia would get consideration and the morans have done this before regarding Nebraska a few years ago.

[CubColtPacer]

The only thing I question is the thought that you should win your conference to go to the title game. 1) Wildcard teams have won the title all the time in other sports. Winning the division/conference is not a necessary first step to winning the national title.

 

2) People are talking about this scenario specifically with teams such as Kansas and Georgia. The thing is, if their conferences had no championship games, then this wouldn't even be talked about. Both of those teams actually shared their conference title, but didn't get to go to the conference championship game due to tiebreakers. Conference tiebreakers shouldn't determine if a team gets to go play for the national title.

 

Personally, I think Georgia or maybe Kansas should get their shot if both WVU and Missouri lose. Georgia shouldn't get passed over just because a 3 loss TN team won their last game. If the voters have determined that they have the best resume to be ranked #4 before this weekend, they shouldn't get passed over just because people don't want to put them in the title game.

[Derwood]

which is why it's lame that all the conferences don't have championship games

[CubColtPacer]

If Missouri and West Virginia lose while Va Tech and LSU win...and Va Tech makes it over LSU...I can't even describe how criminal that is. Funny, but criminal nonetheless.

 

Not that it matters cause West Virginia will make Pitt look like they're coached by Dave Wannstedt.

 

Why would it be criminal? It's hardly the first time that a team has made it over a similar team despite getting beat head to head. The Florida State/Miami/Washington controversy in 2001 was a lot worse than the Va Tech/LSU one would be.

[CuseCubFan69]

The only thing I question is the thought that you should win your conference to go to the title game. 1) Wildcard teams have won the title all the time in other sports. Winning the division/conference is not a necessary first step to winning the national title.

 

2) People are talking about this scenario specifically with teams such as Kansas and Georgia. The thing is, if their conferences had no championship games, then this wouldn't even be talked about. Both of those teams actually shared their conference title, but didn't get to go to the conference championship game due to tiebreakers. Conference tiebreakers shouldn't determine if a team gets to go play for the national title.

 

Personally, I think Georgia or maybe Kansas should get their shot if both WVU and Missouri lose. Georgia shouldn't get passed over just because a 3 loss TN team won their last game. If the voters have determined that they have the best resume to be ranked #4 before this weekend, they shouldn't get passed over just because people don't want to put them in the title game.

 

But....Georgia didn't play LSU and Kansas didn't play Oklahoma or Texas. If you want to have 12 teams and not have them all play against each other this is what you get. Getting a Split of a split and being considered for the BCS game is wrong imo.

[CuseCubFan69]

which is why it's lame that all the conferences don't have championship games

 

As I wrote to Colt...at least the Big East and PAC 10 all play each other.

[Derwood]

which is why it's lame that all the conferences don't have championship games

 

As I wrote to Colt...at least the Big East and PAC 10 all play each other.

 

true, but if all 6 of the BCS conferences had a championship game, then that would at least give you one "playoff" game to qualify 6 of the entrants into the BCS games.